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Operation Breslov: Tracing rebbe's descendants
Akiva Novick
Published: 31.10.10, 19:50
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1. AM YISRAEL HAI!
dan'al isra'il ,   ארץ ישראל   (10.31.10)
2. There are no Catholic Monestaries in Uzbekistan
Abe Froman ,   NY, NY   (10.31.10)
Maybe they meant Armenia?
3. Catholic monasteries also don't have local 'owners' to bribe
Abe Froman ,   NY, NY   (10.31.10)
if this place is real, and it were soliciting bribes, what is stopping the Breslov search team from contacting the Vatican? Say what you want about Catholics in other matters, but in this there is no doubt as to who's in charge.
4. Uzbeks if they are Christian r Russian Orthodox....
(10.31.10)
what catholic what shoes? Seems to me that a fool and his money are soon parted! and if I follow what is written correctly these people are all related to a male descendent and unless his mother was Jewish well you know...these people are all Goyim!
5. Wow! Don't these people have the right 2 b as they wish?
(10.31.10)
who are these breslov people who think that they have the right to dictate to a small group of people what they should or shouldn't believe?
6. men don't bear children.
elisheva ,   new york   (10.31.10)
Hi. This was a bit too egalitarian for my taste. Men do not "besr" children, even in the past tense. Only women do.
7. Catholics
Edwin ,   Canada   (10.31.10)
My family was involved in "kidnapping" children from a Monastery in Ireland after the Church abducted them to forcibly turn them into Christians.
8. Haredi hypocrisy
Mirqa ,   Tsfat, Israel   (11.01.10)
Rav Nahman of Breslov died in 1810. These women being persuaded to move to Israel have to be at least 6-8 generations removed from him. If these women and their intermarried families wanted to make aliya because they were truly committed to Judaism and the Jewish people, every obstacle would be placed in their way by the Haredim. The fact that they had a Jewish grandfather six generations earlier would not matter at all. Yet these women and their families, who have no knowledge of Judaism and no interest in coming to Israel, are being plied with cash and gifts, as though their genes from a male ancestor who died 200 years makes! them Jews! This is idolatrous and a chilul Hashem.
9. tell the rabbis to leave these poor people alone!
bob ,   NZ   (11.01.10)
what an appalling story - these interfering rabbis poking their noses into the lives of complete strangers , breaking up relationships with the dreaded ''gentiles'', throwing the almighty dollar around like rich American tourists in a third world country full of peasants ....this is the most disturbing story about rabbis I've read so far on Ynet and I've read enough of them by now to have a healthy distaste for these ''religious'' characters
10. Andrei's kids are HIS kids not the rabbis' kids!
disgusted father   (11.01.10)
11. Akiva, GREAT NEWS- your son is the next Dalai Lama
Wealthy Buddhists ,   Tibet   (11.01.10)
12. Am haaretz deorita ve derabanan
Gill ,   Jerusalem   (11.01.10)
Your knowledge on things is shocking!!!! Can you put away that huge ego and see good. These Jews are tracing what is dear to them. And that is fine. Mind your own business.
13. Not a wonderful story
R ,   Israel   (11.01.10)
If someone told me that my spouse had a grandfather in the 18th century who was a minister of a different faith, and so tried to get me to agree to a divorce and to give up my children, I'd get a restraining order.
14. #8 you got that right! thank you 4 saying it!
(11.01.10)
15. Edwin read the article please
(11.01.10)
You are correct in saying that Ireland has Catholic monastries. However the real question is how many Jews does Ireland have? but more to the point What do the Irish have to do with the Uzbeks...I know some believe Goyim are Goyim but you have gone on a very broad reach here! Further as #8 points out these people aren't Jewish so what are you going on about kidnapping for... if anyone is kidnapping anyone it is these misguided fanatics and not the Goyishe "descendents" of the Rabbi from Breslov!
16. heritage through gelt?
Cameron ,   USA   (11.01.10)
An obsessive, and kinda creepy tale this.
17. #12 no way
bob ,   NZ   (11.02.10)
==These Jews are tracing what is dear to them. And that is fine. Mind your own business. ============ It might be dear to them but it belongs to somebody else! The idea that they think its fine to turn the lives of these kids upside down fills me with disgust........ The idea that they feel free to act this way because they have loads of cash and no moral aversion to using bribery makes me even sicker .........but what really takes the cake is that this evil behaviour is seen by the author as being a wonderful adventure story ............ The rabbis and their case would get kicked out of court in 2 minutes in NZ and they would be imprisoned for offering bribes. I hope they try this stunt in a developed country- they'd quickly be disabused of their misguided feelings of entitlement
18. #3 the rabbis should complain!!??
bob ,   NZ   (11.02.10)
===if this place is real, and it were soliciting bribes, what is stopping the Breslov search team from contacting the Vatican?========= --so who should Andrei contact to complain about loaded rabbis from Israel offering huge bribes to all and sundry in an attempt to steal his children away from him and away from their homeland?
19. An obsessive, and kinda creepy tale this. !
Eshkol Hakofer   (11.02.10)
Cameron, No. 16 u are right. your description of this case. is also a concise and precise description of chassidut. and though this story is about breslov, chabad is not different.
20. It is a great mitzva
AB ,   TheRock   (11.02.10)
To bring a jew back to his faith. If the mothers are jewish so are the children, so why should they live like goyim? Why should they not be informed of their great ancestor whose memory is still well alive. The Rabbis are doing them the greatest kindness. And as far as bribes are concerned. Anybody with the slightest bit of knowledge regarding that part of the world will know that nothing moves there with bribes. It is part of the culture - even the police are in it and shamelessly stop cars for no reason to obtain bribes. I saw it with my own eyes in the Ukraine. If it were not for the bribes they would not be able to live a decent life. At $30 a month you can imagine. It is so obvious that all talkbackers are just plain anti-religious and/or just don't have any understanding of real jewish values.
21. #20 tell that to the father whose kids are being stolen
(11.03.10)
22. no. 20 sez
Eshkol Hakofer   (11.03.10)
" If the mothers are jewish so are the children," of course, and if the mother is gentile, breslov doesn't want to steal them , isnt that nice? "so why should they live like goyim?" sure, not with their goy father! better live with their jewish abductors. no? "Anybody with the slightest bit of knowledge regarding that part of the world will know that nothing moves there ......It is part of the culture - even the police are in it " no different than corrupt american yidden. part of the culture as u say! "It is so obvious that all talkbackers are just plain anti religious ...." or anti gangsterism, jewish or otherwise.
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