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1. In theory this is good. Why should seculars get off for noth
rebecca , |
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Religious girls should not do army service, and yes, they should have to prove they are religious. But there have to be more options for "proof", not just letter from dati school. But there is also Sherut Leumi, and even dati girls should do this instead. As for those posing as religious just to get out of the army, they're probably from the same families that criticize the Haredim.
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2. This bill would be great esp bec. of those false conversions
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3. Twisted reporting = Hate Propaganda
Sarah Leah Lawent , |
Jerusalem, Israel |
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BS"D The article on the bill to tighten the reins on which young women are eligible for exemption from army service, based on religious lifestyle has been presented in a biased, unworthy, not to mention - nasty fashion. Let us start with the headline, of naming all those who don't serve as "draft dodgers". This is a term with a definitely negative connotation. It immediately fires up the special righteous indignation the less observant of our society wants to feel when thinking of those who endeavor to live a more Torah lifestyle. It would have sufficed to say "women". It would have been the truth, and it would have been accurate, and it would not have been a sick attempt to rile up hate against one's fellow Jew.
Another point totally ignored here, is the fact that people have their own epiphanies and go through their own changes at various times in their lives. While there may a certain percentage of young women who pose in public as those who have turned to a religious path solely to avoid the army, and do not live their lives as such in reality, it is something that, indeed, may come under the banner of misrepresentation. But what of the young woman who has started on this path in her teens? Maybe she hasn't been in a religious school environment? Maybe she is starting to follow Torah, but her family isn't? She is not a "draft dodger" or a fraud.
This article, like so many put out by YNet, does what it can to encourage animus, spite, bitterness based on a twisting of the facts, or at least to present the Hareidi/Chassidic sector in a most negative light.
This is not even an editorial. It was supposedly an article explaining something that had happened in the Knesset that will affect the lives of a sector of Israeli society. YNet is apparently more interested in propaganda than news, as it has shown over and over and over...like that stupid battery rabbit.
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4. Why not take issue away from religious?
Mikesailor , |
Miami, FL |
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And create a conscientious objector status unrelated to religion? Or is such a concept too difficult for Israelis to wrap their minds around?
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5. Where's the Bill for Secular Draft Dodgers &there are PLENTY
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Everyone should serve our country, incl. Haredim and Moslems, either in the IDF or in Sherut Le'umi. Both should be open to everyone, but no exemptions.
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7. I dont know -- smells sleazy and seems quite sexist.
Stopping draft-dodging is an important goal, but shaming and demonizing young women by embarrassing photographs? When did the IDF become peeping paparazzi? My own belief on the draft is that, absent valid medical exemption for the prohibitively incapacitated, everyone should serve. For the traditionally non-serving citizens (the non-Zionist Haredim, Arab citizens, individual pacifist objectors), the only legitimate solution seems to be an expanded program of civilian national service. (And perhaps this option should be more readily available to regular Israeli Jews too? Despite what it may claim, the IDF already has more than enough manpower than necessary coming in every year; maybe there are some of these young men and women that can better contribute to the State of Israel in a civilian capacity?). What needs to end is a structure that encourages all these games and tricks. Invading the privacy of young haredi women to discover whether she is the rebel girl with secular boyfriend? Thats just selective enforcement of an already very broken structure. It's also just gross.
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8. Move to a professional army and stop trying to be a wet
nurse to your dysfunctional youth.
It is patently stupid that the Army, which should be a skilled killing machine, has to be concerned about whether or not its conscripts are religious or not.
You need soldiers who want to be in the military not ones who will find any excuse not to be there.
These shmucks end up endangering the entire unit...You don't need them.
Social engineering dosen't work..For those who don't want to be in the military..good luck to them.
Get to work and fine tune the army to be a finely tuned killing machine...thats what your job ought to be.
The rest is BS.
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9. How about the sons and daughters of
David , |
USA/ISRAEL/EGYPT |
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(11.01.10) |
the secular Academia and so called Israel's Elite. starting with Olmert sons and many others. This law belongs in the garbage bin. Get off the back of our religious population. Shame on you. You are becoming a racist state against your own
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10. There should be a law that says no I.D.F.
jason white , |
afula,israel |
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service, then do three years of prison for each year they dodge the draft. Plus another year added on. Make them do physical labor 24/7/365.
After wards no right to vote, sit in the knesset, drive an auto, go for higher education or own a weapon.
This should be for all physically able youth and should not discriminate against religious, Jew or non Jew or political leanings. Serve in the I.D.F. and none of that sherut leumi.
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11. #1 what rebecca seems to forget
60,000 charideem men dodge the draft each year. Every year, the Israel Defense Forces loses 13% of its potential draft, because of the arrangement under the Tal Law exempting Haredim. Beyond the military cost, the arrangement of full-time Torah study costs the nation NIS 7 billion a year in allowances and lost output, because they don't work. What makes these so called religious girls special, what arrogance they have claiming the moral high ground based on a religious belief, is we all thought like that there would be no nation. As usual the seculars are left not only to defend our nation but to foot the bill for the charideem. They give the best years of their lives and will go on to become doctors, nurses etc and productive members of society.
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