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British FM backs non-violent struggle against security fence
Ali Waked
Published: 03.11.10, 19:11
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31. Sorry everyone - I voted for that idiot
Mike ,   Oxford UK   (11.04.10)
But never again... I will vote against him and his party from now on
32. For John
Joan ,   New Zealand   (11.04.10)
#18 John. Please do not make such ridiculous comments, you have obviously not followed the history of Israel and never read deeply on what has happened over the years. Britain has truly lost it's way since the time of the Balfour Agreement starting with Churchill giving most of Israeli land away to the Arabs right at the beginning. Check your country out John, if it keeps on appeasing Islam at the rate it is so doing there will be no time for a return to the great Nation it once was. Have a great care, if Israel falls, G-d forbid, so will it's branches the Christians who have only been grafted in. Read "From Time Immemorial' Joan Peter's well researched and documented book and stop listening to Arab propaganda - They do not want peace they want Israel destoyed. Wake up before it is too late and start to defend the only land G-d called His own and the Apple of His Eye. You should support Israel with all your heart.
33. #11 Andrew
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (11.04.10)
William Hague was a friend of Israel when I last checked at the time of the elections. His comments here are just sLimey diplomacy
34. Can somebody please tell me...
Rick ,   NY, US   (11.04.10)
Why Nick Clegg, the deputy prime minister and someone whose notoriously anti-Israel, is running UK foreign policy? I thought conservatives, especially those who claim to support Israel, would sympathize with us rather than buying the pro-Palestinian BS that's shoved down our throats ad nauseum.
35. Western Palestine is Jewish
Bruria   (11.04.10)
Hague and the British government ignores international law which calls for the encouragement of Jewish settlement in Western Palestine: http://www.mythsandfacts.org/article_view.asp?articleID=189
36. #29, I MADE NO COMPARISON................
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (11.04.10)
37. Reap what ye sow
Harvey ,   London   (11.04.10)
How utterly risible . Palestinians complain that the fence does not follow the precise path of the Green Line . Well tough . If they had resisted the urge to blow themselves up in our cafes ,buses and restaurants etc,there would have been no need for a fence in the first place . For the most part the fence does approximate the 67 borders except where strategic considerations take precedence .Even then the courts often overrule the IDF and order its re routing. Palestine and its supporters never thought through the consequences of their murderous crimes against humanity . As in nature for every action there is an opposite reaction which is not necessarily proportionate . If it was ,then Palestinian shopping malls night clubs restaurants would have been bombed eye for eye tooth for tooth . Just as the Russians did in Grozny and the Sri Lankans did in their rout of the Tamil separatists .
38. # John - Oh dear!!
Dina   (11.04.10)
Before making a statement about things you know only a little about , you should do your homework. 1. Have you checked what the borders of 'Palestine' were at the time of this declaration? 2. Having done this, was there a Jordan? 3.Have you bothered to check what Britain did to impliment this decission in the years to come? 4. Do you know how the British acted towards the Jewish population during the Jerusalem siege? 5. Do you know how many Jews were sent back to murderous Europe , many of them later killed and or died of starvation. All blood on the hands of the British? 6. and finaly, Have you visited Israel, and the Hospitals, shopping malls schools e.t.c Arab Israelis live amongs Jewish Israelis, some better off then others just the same as anywhere else. They just make more noise, because they know that the media will listen and blow their story up a little. It being the fashion and all.
39. #36 your freedom is courtesy of the British Empire
winston ,   churchill   (11.04.10)
if it was not for the British Empire and its people you would now be part of the Third Reich , or the equally unpleasant Russian Empire.......... Either way there would not be any Jews in the ME or Europe America would have come to terms with Hitler if Britain had accepted Hitler's reasonable peace terms after France fell in 1940 ...... A Nazi Europe alongside a puppet government in Britain would have hugely influenced US culture which itself was not a lot more racially tolerant than Germany at that time anyway. .......... Jews would have become as unsafe in the USA as in Europe. .............. No thanks to America or Germany or Italy then.... ..so I cant think of anyone to thank except ... those arrogant Brits.
40. IRA also human rights defenders
nadav ,   tlv   (11.04.10)
41. #39, Winston, I see Your arguments and
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (11.04.10)
I am really on the same page with You...You forgot only the French wimps, who so readily accepted Nazi rule. But I also do NOT like what the Brits are doing NOW...maybe, we have some common ground here...??
42. Balfour Declaration
Ian ,   London, England   (11.04.10)
Indeed, Israel should honour its agreement with Britain with respect to the rights of the population of the former Palestine as expressed in the Balfour Declaration. The apparent willingness of some Israelis to become rude and abusive at this gesture on the part of the UK Foreign Secretary towards Palestinian human beings is indicative of an overweening sense of entitlement that I find most unappealing. Israel and its people will either adapt to the changing international landscape in respect of human rights, or it will discover its allies increasingly unable to defend Israel against the real enemies of nuclear proliferation and terrorism. A bit of that much-vaunted Jewish intelligence wouldn't go amiss here.
43. #41 Chris
winston ,   churchill   (11.04.10)
cannot let you off that easily sorry Chris. ...the French were betrayed by the British and especially by the Americans after WW1 when they failed to give France the borders she requested and needed to ensure a solid defence against a possible resurgent Germany. British dithering response to Hitlers provocations in the 1930s also undermined France although to be fair she should have acted in her own interests and independently of British sentiments. Strong French military deterrence was also thrown out the window thanks to pressure from Britain and the USA. to disarm. Accepting the Nazi occupation was not unreasonable when all the factors are considered. 20 years earlier the bloodiest war in history had been played out on French soil.
44. #43, Winston, You are not an easy case.
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (11.04.10)
First, to which French borderline do You refer to ? I have no idea, since France got back its territory, it had lost in the war of 1871...?? Second, in the Munich accords of 1938, both Britain and France BOWED to Hitler and paved the way for him to start the war at the terms of his own choosing. Third, the Russians by comparison NEVER EVER bowed to the Nazis, although they had had to suffer a LOT more than the French at the same time. Sorry, but the French were wimps and collaborators, as it can easily be demonstrated by the conduct of the Vichy regime and by their proven assistance in the preparations for the Holocaust.
45. #39,43 No longer Winston.
Noodles ,   Coney Island   (11.04.10)
Isn't it now Muhammad?
46. ASHAMED TO BE BRITISH!
Chris ,   Wales,UK   (11.04.10)
Hi Israeli Friends,I have been concerned for a long time over British Anti-Semitism,anti-Israeli,Pro/Everyhting Palestinian..But this goes back to the 20s and 40's particularly.. All I can say as a Christian is thayt Great Britain is a Goat Country and will be Judged more severely than most other nations. Britain's Betrayal of Jews started around 1922..since that time it's been down hill. THe Bible makes it clear that the Nations will be Judged for Dividing Israel and for it attitude towards Israel ,LOOK UP THE PROPHECY FOUND IN JOEL3:2 also,This next passage is written about Britain,the Context is to do with Israel's final Regathering and return to her God Given land..Read it friends: JER31: 10 "Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock."
47. Re:27Daniel Hertzberg,Don't Condemn good GERMANS
hannah ,   sweden   (11.04.10)
Don't be so foolish as to attack a German who is on your side..Doesn't a German have a right to be pro-Israel because of the Nazis? Your very Backward in your thinking...
48. #39 if it wasn't for USA,uk Might still be at war
chris ,   wales   (11.04.10)
If it wasn't for the British,many Jews would have Returned but where Prevented to..and If it wasn't for Corrupt anti-Semitic British Foreign Office,BRITAIN Would have taken MANY JEWS Who wanted to escape early on ...PLEASE Don't you dare Potray Britain as a Friend of Israel..If it wasn't for Britain,GOD WOULD HAVE RAISED UP ANOTHER COUNTRY..BESIDES,If it wasn't for the AMERICANS,Britain might still be under The Nazis today!!!!!!!! THINK ABOUT IT! if it wasn't for THE USA,Britain would be under the Soviet Union today.. Britain is a goat Nation and God will most Definitely Curse Britain for her treatments of Israel and Jews..i'm british but ASHAMED OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
49. re:18why should Israel be thankful to Britain
chris m ,   uk   (11.04.10)
You forget one thing,God is the one Behind the Return of the JEWS,You Ignore that Britain was Blessed by God,the same God who Promised Israel's return..and as for your lies,Israeli treat the Palestinians better than any Arab states treat their own Citizens.. I Denounce your Attack on Israel and lies that Israel is Mistreating the Palestinians..I Hate it when People like you Bow the knee to the Forces of Terror rather than stick up for the ONly TRue Friend we have,and the only Democracy in that Region.,..John,You disgust me! I am ashamed of Britain and people like you make me want to leave Britain!
50. RE 18 & 39,JOHN, I'M SICK TO THE TEETH OF YOUR LIES
Chrisi ,   Porthmadog,UK   (11.04.10)
You Forget that THere are 1 Million Arabs who have true Freedom in the Middle east,AND THOSE ARABS HAPPEN TO LIVE IN ISRAEL! Put that in your Pipe and smoke it! I Hate it when Lies are told about Israel,specially liars from the UK By Own Country..Israel treats the Palestinians better than Plaestinians leaders treat their own people.. I'm sick to the teeth of the Pro-palestinian,Pro-Islamic Propagandist that live in my country..The Plaestinians want to rid the Middle east of Jews,and you Rant on about Israeli policy..from my View point,Israel is too soft with these bandits..ISRAEL OWN BRITAIN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND IT ABOUT TIME ISRAEL BREAKS FULL DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH THE Pro-Arab,Anti-Israeli British Foreign Office..
51. #44 Chris
winston ,   churchill   (11.04.10)
The ideas I've tried to describe are based on Churchill's book ''The Second World War'' volume 1 ..The border I referred to was not a national border- it was a defensible border along a major river. The Americans objected to the French demand because it would have made a lot of German citizens into French citizens. Churchill however points out that it would also have given France the ability to defend itself ifrom any future German aggression. The Russians never bowed to the Nazis because the Nazis intended to colonise their land east of the Urals and liquidate a lot of them.
52. #48 Chris in Wales
winston ,   churchill   (11.04.10)
I never portrayed Britain as a friend of the Jews. The Jews were not the major players in the history of WW2 and you have not said anything I dont already know about Britain's lack of enthusiasm for a Jewish state in Palestine. I was addressing my comments about freedom to Chris in Germany who I supposed to be a German and not a Jew. My comments were inspired by irritation at the insulting tone of his comments. I wont address your comments about the USA because they miss the point I was trying to make. The fact that Britain already knew it could not face Hitler alone without America simply adds to my point about the extraordinary courage of the British people in 1940.
53. '#52 Your Correct Winston
chrisi ,   Porthmadog,uk   (11.04.10)
Your Correct Winston..I Meant no: 18, John..I Had your no: by mistake..Sorry..But it was John I was replying to..Good you came back...
54. #52 I got confused over yours and John
chris ,   wales,uk   (11.04.10)
At First glance,after reading John's,I thought You was puting down Israel,But having read again I Can see that you was not doing that..thanks for your reply!
55. #44 Chris in Germany re Russia
winston ,   churchill   (11.04.10)
by the way Germany was able to attack France thanks to its non-aggression pact with Stalin not to mention supplies of raw materials from the Russians However I dont blame the Russians for making terms with Hitler in 1939 because she had tried unsuccessfully to make an alliance with Britain and France in the 30s and simply ended up doing what was best for her own security after being rebuffed by the west
56. Hague having to follow the strict anti-Israeli
maranatha ,   Cardiff,wales   (11.04.10)
Hague is having to follow the Strict,very anti-Israeli Forieg Office. My Friends,Fancy speaking about "non-Violent Popular struggle" when REFERRING To the Palestinians... what an Oxymoron! Those People don't know nothing about Peace and as for their Struggle,They learnt a lot about Hitler's "Struggle" against Jews.. The so called Wall (FENCE) has not Only saved countless Israeli Lives,which must be a good thing now Hague? but also saved many Brainwashed Palestinan Suicide Bombers's lives,including the reaction and Reprisal this sort of Attack would have caused.. SO ALL IN ALL,The Fence or so called wall has SAVED Hundreds of lives! who knows how many lives,could be thousands by now..But even if it saved one LIFE,It would have been JUSTIFIED! Israelis should not worry much these days about British Interference in their Policy..How Arrogant it is for Britain anyway to Interfere in another Country's Policies in this way..But then Israel is Unique,and the Arabs must be Appeased! Britain is on a Suicide mission of it own in allowing Terrorists to enter their Borders willi Nilli..You know Friends,Muslims and their Duped allies can sell T-Shirts over here,T-shirt that calls for JEWS To be Butcherd and killed,and Israel to be Destroyed..THAT WHAT BRITAIN HAS BECOME! Muslim march the street and cause Chaos with Big Placards 'Death to Israel' and 'Death to America',even calling on Britain to be Taken over."behaed those who insult Islam" and so on... Friends,Arabs have Oil,Britain is in a love affair with those who have Oil..and their Religion they Fear! Better if Hague had called for the destruction of Hamas and for the end of Violent and for the Palestinians to Recognize Israel as a Jewish state,SHAME ON YOU HAGUE,shame on Our Government! Time for Israel to call a spade a spade,Israel is no Friend of Israel and I hate when they PATRONISE Israel when they use the term "our Israeli friends" Who needs enemies when you have friends like Britain? "Zechariah 12 : 9 On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem." Britain Included!
57. Appeasement, self interests and political expedience.
DR ,   UK   (11.04.10)
I, too, am ashamed to be British. I say this having served the Crown and Government for over 20 years. Hague is following in the well worn footsteps of his predecessors who condescend to treat the Jewish state as if the Mandate is still in force. The appeasement of the Islamic/Arab world and the serving of Britain's own self interests have always been paramount and remain so. In November 1938 the 'Cabinet Committee For Palestine' held a meeting which effectively resulted in the reneging upon of the Balfour Declaration and the League of Nations Mandate. Foreign Secretary, Lord Halifax, told the Committee that “the Government would have to choose between it's commitments to the world of Jewry and it's commitments to the world of Islam...” It was subsequently decided that Britain could not afford to antagonise the Muslim world. This resulted in the British White Paper of 1939 which served to appease the Arab/Islamic world and severely restricted Jewish immigration to Palestine. This was the British policy as the Holocaust descended upon the Jews of Europe.
58. Sacrificing Israel on the altar of political expedience.
DR ,   UK   (11.04.10)
The security barrier is indeed in defence of human rights - Jewish human rights - and for this purpose the barrier was constructed. Without Palestinian terrorism there would be no need for a barrier. Indeed it has saved countless innocent Jewish lives and when Palestinian terrorism disappears the barrier can be removed. Those murdered Jews whose loss of life gave rise to its necessity can never be replaced. The Foreign Secretary sidestepped the reality... again. The British foreign office has never been reluctant to sacrifice Jews or their state on the altar of political expedience.
59. Britain even reneged on the Mandate for its own expediency.
DR ,   UK   (11.04.10)
As to the Mandate, Jordan itself is a British colonial creation, carved out of the British Mandate for Palestine as a consolation prize for a one-time British ally - the Hashemites - that lost its hold on the Hijaz to the al' Saud tribe. 77% of the Mandate territory given by Britain to form yet another Arab state to serve its own interests. After the War of Independence, Jordan illegally annexed Judea and Samaria, renaming it the West Bank to disguise/remove its Jewish heritage. Even that annexation/renaming was eagerly recognized by the UK ... and one other country - Pakistan. Strange how such an annexation and illegal occupation was expedient and acceptable to the British. No mention of the Palestinians then. That only came after the Jordanians invaded Israel and lost the territory and Jerusalem. Then the British screamed blue murder.... at the Jews.
60. Britain acts as if Israel is under colonial rule.
DR ,   UK   (11.04.10)
British Ministers who condescend to visit the Jewish State, act as if Israelis are still under British colonial rule. The British Government needs reminding that it’s Mandate in the region expired over five decades ago. Then British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook caused an uproar in Israel and further strained Israeli-British relationships during 1998 when he refused to visit Yad Vashem. He also publicly stated in February 1998, that following elections "It was unacceptable that the Israeli Government should give in to domestic demands which contradicted the expectations of the international community." This statement implies that the wishes of the ordinary Israeli people are of no importance or concern and that Israel should unreservedly accept the will of the pro-Arab international community. Yet since the election of Hamas officials have demanded that the demands of the terrorist group be recognised as, being elected, they represented the Palestinian people. Amazing. Israel's populace must be ignored if their wishes are not expedient. Yet those of Hamas and it's minions must be respected under the same conditions..... It's not for nothing that the British government has got this country into such a mess.
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