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Israel: Norway inciting against us
Itamar Eichner
Published: 15.11.10, 09:15
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31. To: No. 26
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.15.10)
Oh, so Norwegians "care for the violations of human rights." That's rich. It really is. I'm pretty certain the Sami people would disagree with you. The Norwegians have been persecuting them for CENTURIES.
32. I totally agree
Bjarne ,   Oslo Norway   (11.15.10)
When the political day order in Norway is totally influenced by and of the extreme politically “correct” leftwing voices of today’s government! However This is NOT reflecting the voice of the main Norwegian! I’m so sorry and would like to apologies to all of U! The only positive point of wives in this shameful days for Norwegians as myselfe is that the main political party in today’s government have only approx. 25 % of the people with them! That number is decreasing a LOT every day! When it comes to the caricatures of the "prophet" the Norwegian government is not that interested in the "Freedom of expression" I can assure U! Sorry for my bad English! Hav a nice day!
33. I’m very sorry
Øyvind ,   Norway   (11.15.10)
I am sorry that norway has become a country of antisemitism and anti-israelism. In norway there is not possible to hold a public demonstration i support of Israel any more. The last time, a huge arabic/anarchistic mob physicali attacked all pro-israeli people on the streets, injuring several, and created chaos in Oslo. It’s a shame, and the norwegian parties are mostly to blame.
34. #31
Jorgen Ekvoll ,   Oslo, Norway   (11.15.10)
The Sami people of Norway has no wish to create their own state. They receive financial support from the government. They broadcast news on the national TV-channel. They are self governed. They have their own parliament. Their cultural heritage is considered important to the whole nation. We are proud of them. They are receiving our respect. They even benefit from tax reductions. We live in peace. Even if this was not the case, it would not legitimize your point. It's completely irrelevant. And, if evil has been done in the past, does that legitimize evil doings today? Does not Germany have the right to have a voice in what is right and wrong today because of their history? What do you mean?
35. #14, jo
Jan ,   Norway   (11.15.10)
Hey Jo. Check your historic facts. There were nazis in Norway during the world war, and they got to power because they supported the invading nazi-forces. Quisling was one of those who used his warped view of life to raise in power. His views did NOT represent the majority of norwegians neither then nor now. We actually had a post- war tribunal where Quisling, together with 2 other nazis, where sentenced to death and shot at Akershus festning on the 24. october 1945. Since freedom of speech is a difficult topic and can be easily missused, there is actually a paragraph in the norwegian legislation stating that: "Any person who willfully or through gross negligence publicly put forward a discriminatory or hateful speech/utterance may be punished by fines or imprisonment for up to 3 years. Same with a public utterance made, see § 7, paragraph 2, is considered an utterance when it is made so that it is likely to reach a larger number of people. Symbols are also considered as a speech/utterance. Punished in the same way. An expression is considered discriminatory or hateful when it means to threaten or insulting anyone, or promote hatred, persecution or contempt against anyone because of their a) skin color, or national or ethnic origin, b) religion or belief, or c) gays orientation, lifestyle or orientation." Which follows the same guidelines as set down by the UN and the European council. If you seriously mean that these artists are wrong and that they are spreading lies about Israel, then talk to some in the jewish community in Norway, and have them present your case for the norwegian courts. Despite what you think, we are not all jew-hating nazi's covering behind Freedom of speech wrapped up in some world-wide conspiracy to promote muslims. Most of us just want to get up in the morning and be with our loved ones, go to work or enjoying the simple things in life, like a cup of coffee.
36. #30
Jorgen Ekvoll ,   Oslo, Norway   (11.15.10)
If you believe that the arabs and muslims are going to take over my country, well, that's my problem to deal with. And, it's COMPLETELY irrelevant to what we are discussing here! So is our oil - in which the Sami people are benefitng from today. All the Laps across the world are free to live here, if they like. But this is derailing. It has absolutely nothing to do with the situation in Israel. And, by referring to Quisling, bringing up WWII references, is a bit off the track. It makes you come across as quite vain?
37. Anti-Hate
Jorgen Ekvoll ,   Oslo, Norway   (11.15.10)
Don't get me wrong. I love the Jews of the world, indeed! I do love the Muslims too. And the Christians! It's just sad to see the HATE that is being nourished. And to say that the Norwegian governemt is propagating anti-Israeli hate is comepletely wrong! It's twisted facts, and I don't understand WHY Israel wants to portray such an image of Norway. That's all.
38. From the same people who brought you "Oslo Peace Accords"
David ,   NY   (11.15.10)
39. To: No. 26, redux
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.15.10)
Israel endured eight years of daily missile barrages from Gaza before it undertook Cast Lead. Most countries would not have waited eight seconds to retaliate, let alone eight years. The fact of the matter is that Israel undertook a careful operation intended to minimize civilian casualties. I remind you that Israel leafletted areas that were to come under bombardment comfortably in advance. It is not the fault of Israel that Hamas refused to allow civilians to get out of the way. Moreover, Hamas stored weapons in schools, mosques and hospitals, thereby turning them into legitimate military targets. Well over 80% of the casualties in Gaza were Hamas terrorists. Care to account for the tens of thousands of civilians killed by NATO forces in Afghanistan and Iraq? Or in Kosovo. You are just an anti-Semitic hypocrite. Why don't you look at the facts? I do have a question for you: Israel retaliated against Hamas in Gaza following eight years of daily missile barrages, and twenty years of suicide bombings. If that is not sufficient cause for Israel to finally retaliate, then I am hard pressed to imagine what you might consider "legitimate."
40. From a Norwegian
Robert ,   Trøndelag, Norway   (11.15.10)
As a norwegian (me too), i support israel and jews. Some of the reasons are my jewish forfathers. In norway we are bombed with anti israel propaganda every fucking day in almost all newspapers. And of course, our sosialist (comunist/nazist) goverment support it. They probably paying for it. We all, expept the sosialist, hate the incompentent goverment. -- You should know, not all norwegians are like this, Im not. And many others. -- And of course, yes we are going to become a muslim country very soon. Our (IN)competent goverment have done everything to make it happen. Wich i don't care. Everything is better than sosialist. -- You know, norway got the poorest infrastructure and public bulidings in europe, even albania had surpassed us. While the country is falling appart: The sosialist (goverment) spends all our oil money and tax money around the world, even in corrupted kongo and zimbabwe, were the leaders shop till they drop for them. They spend all our money to get in the UN when they leave the politics
41. Its a shame!
Anti Muslim ,   Norway   (11.15.10)
Please do not think that all Norwegians support a Norwegian Muslim-friendly government. There are many Norwegians who supports Israel, but these do not appear in the Norwegian press. Freedom of speech only applies to some areas in Norway. In Norway, as is the case that all Muslims are treated as something valuable for the Norwegian society. They get everything! new car, new house, free day care, social security is passed, and at the same time as the Norwegians call for racists of any object in such a rasime that the Norwegian government is against the Norwegian ethnic people. Muslims are good, with good help of a left-wing world press. Muslims, with no uniforms, but with weapons. When Israeli soldiers shoot and rendering such "soldier", then the weapon will be removed afterwards of his muslims friends, and then the media and say / write: Look! they shoot civilians "And many believe that. The Muslims also hiding behind their children and their wives. They are just cowards! It is not right wing that are dangerous for Jews, but it's the left wing! This is because the radical left gets a lot of positive attention from the media and governments worldwide support for the radical left. Radical Right gets no mention in the media, and they mention, it's negative publicity. I wish Israel the best of luck! Remember we are many who support you!
42. Norway is disgusting, part 2
Norwegian Citizen ,   Oslo, Norway   (11.15.10)
I forgot to share these facts: Norway (the "peace" promoting nation) is big on export of war material: Norway was the worlds 7th largest weaponexport in 2006 - 3.5% of the global market. In 2007 we exported weapons (ammunition, weapons & tanks) for 2.16 billion norwegian kroner (2,16 NKR = 1,35 ILS). In 2008 the number in NKR was 4.2 billion - as a comparison I can tell that we spent 4.3 billion to build our Opera. Here are some more historic facts about Arbeiderpartiet (shameful historic facts I must add): After WW2 the norwegian jews that escaped/survived Shoa returned to Norway, but not all of them were allowed to return because of laws made by Arbeiderpartiet (the labour party). For example: jews that fled without owning a norwegian passport were not allowed to re-enter the kingdom (but this was changed after some political pressure). Arbeiderpartiet also made specific rules for jews (I remind you this was also post WW2) so that they did not get their belongings, property, businesses and houses/apartments (that were stolen from them during the nazi regime) back. The other Norwegian citizens, that had property sieged, got theirs back - but not the jews.
43. From a Norwegian
Robert ,   Trondelag, Norway   (11.15.10)
As a norwegian (me too), i support israel and jews. Some of the reasons are my jewish forfathers. In norway we are bombed with anti israel propaganda every fucking day in almost all newspapers. And of course, our sosialist (comunist/nazist) goverment support it. They probably paying for it. We all, expept the sosialist, hate the incompentent goverment. -- You should know, not all norwegians are like this, Im not. And many others. -- And of course, yes we are going to become a muslim country very soon. Our (IN)competent goverment have done everything to make it happen. Wich i don't care. Everything is better than sosialist. -- You know, norway got the poorest infrastructure and public bulidings in europe, even albania had surpassed us. While the country is falling appart: The sosialist (goverment) spends all our oil money and tax money around the world, even in corrupted kongo and zimbabwe, were the leaders shop till they drop for them. They spend all our money to get in the UN when they leave the politics
44. Right & Wrong
A viking ,   Norway   (11.15.10)
One of the best ways to see if what you're doing is right is to see who dislikes you doing it. Reading this makes me more sure that the Norwegian government is doing the right thing
45. Norway is Apostate
Michel I Shaffer ,   Prescott U.S.A.   (11.15.10)
Psalm 1. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2. The Kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take councel together, against the Lord and his anointed, saying, 3. Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4. He that setteth in the heavens shall laugh: The Lord shall have them in derision. 5. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
46. Norway is disgusting.
Norwegian Citizen ,   Oslo, Norway   (11.15.10)
Norway is disgusting in so many ways: The Arbeiderpartiet (labours party) helped the nazis before and during the war to kill and register jews. After the war, the criminals that helped the nazis, did a few months in prison before Arbeiderpartiet released them and gave them jobs in the administration. Arbeiderpartiet has run Norway for long periods after the war, and opened the country for muslim immigration in "Proposition #74" (Stortingsmelding #74 1979/1980) During the demonstrations against the last Gaza war, muslim teenagers rioted; beated up an 80-year old jew, destroyed big parts of Oslo city Centre and went "jew-hunting" in the streets. The reactions from the courtsystem? Nothing. No punishment at all. - "They were just frustrated because of Israels war in Gaza". In other words: Israel was blamed. In another episode a muslim imigrant shot at the synagogue with an automatic rifle (AG3): He was on trial for terrorism, but the courtsystem said that this was just a young boys behaviour, so he got away with it. - No punishment. Many norwegians even defend the palestinian missile attacks on Israel. They claim that it is selfdefense, and they excuse the attacks because of the size of the missiles. A typical arguments goes something like this: "Those little rockets? They don't do any harm, and they don't even hit any targets". Norway, represented by Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre, chose to sit and listen to Ahmadinajad's Anti-Semitic speech in the UN. Gahr Støre also banned a german company (building submarines for Israel) to teset the submarines in Norwegian waters. Norway was also the first country to recognize Hamas as a government and to support them economically. Oslo's chief of police during WW2, Knut Rød, was perhaps the most central figure in the deportations and killing of jews in the Oslo area. After the war he was on trial several times, but found not guilty, and Arbeiderpartiet (Labours Party) made sure he got his job back as chief of police in 1950. Also alot of other nazi-collaborators got jobs in Arbeiderpartiets political system after WW2.
47. To # 30
Erik ,   Paris   (11.15.10)
This is the stupidest comment I've ever read. What does north sea oil have to do with the middle east conflict? And, when you refer to Norwegians, try to understand that not every person in this country has the same opinion. I assume that not every American supported the invasion of Iraq?? I don't get nauseated by Norwegians, Americans for Israelis for that matter....but I get nauseated by idiots like you.
48. To: No. 47
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.15.10)
When the North Sea oil runs out, Norway will be looking to other sources. Until the discovery of the North Sea oil, Norway was the second poorest country in Europe. It's backpedaling as quickly as possible, helped along by the huge Moslem minority that will in ten years be the majority population. I find you pretty nauseating, too. Not to mention ignorant.
49. To: Sara B.
Jorgen   (11.15.10)
I feel sorry for the Israeli people because of people like you, who erupt garbage comments to anyone that puts a questionmark to the IDF policy. People like YOU makes Israel a dangerous place for the israelis. People like YOU takes away the legtimacy of their cause, and makes people abroad anry with them. If a palestinian tells me that he/she is a jew-hater, I don't want to listen. It takes away the legitimacy of their argument. If they are anti-zionists, then I'm willing to listen. It shows me that they understand the core of THEIR problem. If I agree or not is then irrelevant. Luckily, 99% of the palestinians that I've talked to are educated enough to distinguish between these two terms. I can say the same for 99% of the Israeli Jews that I've talked to. Only a few are as stupid / uneducated as you, who litter this discussion with antisemitic, WWII reference bullshit. I have NEVER met ANY antisemites in my life, not in Norway, not in Lebanon, not in Syria, not in Iran. If you want to come across at atleast slightly intelligent, find a different argument!
50. Agree with no. 10
Terje ,   Norway   (11.15.10)
As a Norwegian i can only apoligize too. I `m shamed of my contry. God bless Israel!
51. @ 49 Jørgen on Anti-zionism
Norwegian Citizen ,   Oslo, Norway   (11.15.10)
Hiding behind anti-zionism is the new form of anti-semitism. "Anti-Zionism has become the most dangerous and effective form of anti- Semitism in our time, through its systematic delegitimization, defamation, and demonization of Israel. Although not a priori anti-Semitic, the calls to dismantle the Jewish state, whether they come from Muslims, the Left, or the radical Right, increasingly rely on an anti-Semitic stereotypization of classic themes, such as the manipulative "Jewish lobby," the Jewish/Zionist "world conspiracy," and Jewish/Israeli "warmongers." One major driving force of this anti-Zionism/anti-Semitism is the transformation of the Palestinian cause into a "holy war"; another source is anti-Americanism linked with fundamentalist Islamism. In the current context, classic conspiracy theories, such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, are enjoying a spectacular revival. The common denominator of the new anti-Zionism has been the systematic effort to criminalize Israeli and Jewish behavior, so as to place it beyond the pale of civilized and acceptable conduct." - Robert Wistrich What you don't seem to grasp, is the fact that Zionism was, and still is, necessary for the survival of the jews, and for Israel as a jewish state and homeland for the jews.
52. Let's get rid of Norway
jo   (11.15.10)
representatives in Israel. We have enough jew haters, spys, dishonest diplmats, without the additional burden of open anti semitic rants. Let them live with arabs, they make a good combination as the islamic sect is perfect for their way of life.; and we don't need an additional 5th colum in our midst
53. To: No. 49
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.15.10)
Quite the little rant there. You don't have to look very far to see a Norwegian anti-Semite. Try looking iin the mirror. That said, here are some links you will find enlightening. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Norway http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/5430_13.htm http://www.haaretz.com/news/norwegian-ex-premier-counters-anti-semitism-accusations-slams-israel-1.258410 http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/69634/-increased-anti-semitism-in-norway-has-local-jewish-leaders-anxious.html http://halldor2.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/increased-anti-semitism-in-norway/
54. THANK YOU Norwegian citizen(s)...
Gabor Frankl ,   Budapest, Hungary   (11.15.10)
...for your kind help and support! I salute you as the valiant and courageous soul of conscience and moral superiority that you undoubtadly are. And the other N supporters, too. Thanks!
55. To: No. 49, redux
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.15.10)
For the record, Zionism is the nationalist movement of the Jewish people. If you are anti-Zionist, then you are anti-Israel. If you are anti-Israel, you are anti-Semitic. Whether you realize it or not. That said, do you realize that Israel has fought six wars? All of them were started by the Arabs. Are you aware that Israel has had to defend against nearly seventy years of unrelenting "Palestinian" terror? Are you also aware that the "Palestinians" have rejected a two-state solution no fewer than three times? Do you recall that Arafat (may his name be cursed throughout eternity) walked away from an agreement that would have awarded the "Palestinians" 90% of the West Bank and East Jerusalem as a capital? He opted to start the second intifada instead. That said -- are you aware that the thirty-odd organizations each of which purport to be the sole true representative of the "Palestinian" people have at the core of their respective charters the stated goal of the destruction of the State of Israel and the extermination and/or expulsion of the Jewish people? Are you aware that the "Palestinians" have consistently refused to recognize the right of the State of Israel to exist in its ancient homeland? Do you know that the "Palestinians" refuse categorically to recognize Israel's unique identity as a Jewish state? You know considerably less about the geopolitical realities of the Middle East than you think you do. Never met any anti-Semites in Iran, eh? There is not a day that goes by without some nasty threat issued against the State of Israel by the Islamofascist Republic of Iran. You are living in a fool's paradise. Never met any anti-Semites in Lebanon either, you say? Wonder who it was that was firing rockets into Northern Israel until Israel shut them down in 2006. You're a fraud. Not very intelligent, either.
56. Norway love to make "peace"
David ,   Norway   (11.15.10)
First it was the Oslo accords, which caused the deaths of hundreds of Israelis. Then Norway's peace plans failed in Sri Lanka. Now Norway is trying to make China behave by telling them how to run their country. Norway is not a bad country, but it has a very naive outlook on the world, and don't understand that the whole world isn't like Scandinavia. The Norwegian government should invest more energy in making the lives of Norwegians better, instead of trying to "save the world."
57. Get serious in this blog!
Jens Jarva ,   North Cape   (11.15.10)
Norwegian cultural funds, and similar funds, are used to many kinds of projects. Some of these projects might of cause irritate China, Israel, Norwegians in common, churchgoers, or other persons. Other projects would please these people, as for example the funding of Holocaust information or schoolchildren's visits to Auschwitz and similar places. There are of cause strange film-, art- and information producers, but these are not necessarily the ones you would dislike. What you might want to do is to is to ban certain art, information, academics, journalists etc, but you do not really want bonfires filled with unwanted works, do you? Not that I really have to care about your irritation, since I am not Norwegian but rather a general Nordic citizen living in Norway (and having a Lutheran half Jew as grandmother).
58. From another Norwegian
Geir ,   Møre & Romsdal, Norw   (11.15.10)
Agree!!
59. To the Viking #44
Yossef ,   Toronto/Rehovot   (11.15.10)
3000 years ago, when your people was still killing each other, and BTW women, babies elders, with passion and joy, and didn't know nothing about writing or literature, my people was writing the Torah on which your christianity is based today. You are the typical example of what I was referring above. Thank you for this confirmation, Viking :-])
60. The global village
Yossef ,   Toronto/Rehovot   (11.15.10)
The left people like to compare the earth to a global village. Well, if the world is a global village then Israel is the jewish quarter, and what jews hatters (means: anti-zionist/semit) are working on now is just destroy the jewish quarter. It doesn't look familiar?
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