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Rabbis: Falash Mura must convert
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 15.11.10, 15:19
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1. No one can rule that the Falash Mura members are Jews
observer   (11.15.10)
Ethiopian Jews are descendants of King Solomon's union with the Queen of Sheba. So, the maternal holiness was not passed to them. Jewish children of Jewish whores have the upper hand here. Rabbis are better paid than Doctors in Israel, though the latter do the whole job of proving. But, Rabbis do the ultimate grave-taking conversion job. then, who is not a Jew? the answer is: the only one who fulfills that is the Torah observant, for observance is no test of Jewishness. So how can Rabbis send back those falash mura to be reassembled in a correct Jewish maternal way.
2. correct me if I am wrong but isn't "Falash Mura"...
(11.15.10)
considered to be a highly derogatory term by the Ethiopian community? Ynet this is a serious question as this is the 2nd time in as many days that you have used the term in your articles.
3. They will probably marry each other or those who are similar
Rivkah   (11.15.10)
in ethnic and racial backgrounds rahter than to try to crash into a closed society that would fault them on any pretext. Marrying into a higher social strata is not happy for most. Consider the marriage of Mary Magdalene to Joseph of Arimathea in the days of Rabbi Yeshua. The Magdalenes and the Arimatheas were the mega-billionaire equivalent social strata of their day. Joseph of Arimathea had the throne seat on the Sanhedrin. Were they happy? No. It was Mary Magdalene who was brought to Rabbi Yeshua when she was caught in adultery since he was her husband's adopted son after Joseph the Carpenter died which put Rabbi Yeshua in line for the throne seat of the Sanhedrin or throne of David when Joseph of Arimathea died which he has not. He goes through a gate of heaven in Jerusalem at the Jubilee Year and is changed back to a young man. He was Johannes Gutenberg and Leonardo DaVinci and many others who if you superimpose the faces of onto each other you will find is the same man. But that fantastic high stratosphere social marriage of the two wealthiest families in Jerusalem was not very happy or Mary Magdalene would not have forsaken her wedding vows. Rabbi Yeshua would not condemn her because all the Pharisees who wanted to stone her were guilty of the same sin: adultery. Perhaps in their minds and not their bodies, but a sin nonetheless. So marrying into high social stratas is not a path to happiness for many since the demands on the husband are such that he is rarely home. When Blacks marry Whites the outcome is rarely a lasting marriage I have noticed since the social pressures and family pressures tend to cause them to break up if that can be accomplished. It is better to marry one's own kind.
4. Falash Mura
Albi ,   Ashkelon   (11.15.10)
If these poor people were North American or British or French 'Nefesh B'Nefesh would be jumping all over themselves to give them money and housing and jobs--for a start. But these people are made to jump through all the cruel hoops that can be devised. If this is our Zionism let's do away with all the phony slogans and face up to the vicious culture we have created
5. "Strict conversion": a mistranslation
Naftush ,   Israel   (11.15.10)
The halachic term is giyur le-humra. The term denotes a "bare bones" or "just to be sure" conversion , a more lenient procedure than the full-fledged one.
6. Conversion of Ethiopians
NYC Girl   (11.15.10)
After reading of yet another one of these insufferable rulings, all I can say is if I weren't already an atheist, these Ultra-Orthodox conversion officials probably would have turned me into one.
7. Ynet "observer" is a Xtian missionary...
MM   (11.15.10)
please tell me that you see how he/she makes every effort to debase our Holy Torah and to twist everything around to his/her singular point of view. I kindly request that you consider not publishing any more of his posts
8. as a believing Jew I find posters 1 & 3 offensive
MM ,   Jerusalem   (11.15.10)
they are striving to destroy the fabric of the Jewish nation and I don't understand y u see fit to assist them by continuing to post their TBs Please do consider deleting them here and blocking them from making any future posts. Thank you for your consideration
9. Of course!
Phoenix ,   Israel   (11.15.10)
They are not real jews so if they want to come they have to go to the real jewish conversion. The Ethiopians that were Jewish by law live here long time ago. These others claim to be jewish in order to depart from their 3d world country. Most of them are Christian so if they want to come as Jews they have to become first jews.
10. 8 MM, Jerusalem: The Scriptures say the throne will not
Rivkah   (11.15.10)
depart from Judah until Shiloh (Messiah) comes. For Joseph of Arimathea to still be alive fulfills that promise since he had the throne seat on the Sanhedrin and was the Jewish King of Judea, not the Edomites who sat on the royal throne that was called Jewish but was not. The Sanhedrin throne seat was the royal leader of the Jews. Thanks for reading my posts. They are great to those who study Scriptures and are an offense to those who don't.
11. Israel doesn' t need them ! They belong to Africa
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12. Falasha are not jews
Ey Dey ,   Addis, Ethiopia   (11.15.10)
Though it is undeniable that there was a Jewish presence in Ethiopia long before Christianity, today there are no more Jews in Ethiopia. Many Ethiopians, probably have Jewish roots, but that does not make them Jews. The falasha are christian who just happen to have a stricter observance of the old testament. Btw, Ethiopian Christianity is characterised by its observance of Jewish rituals. So in that account all Ethiopians should be Jewish and come to Israel...
13. Who is #3 & 8? a destructive Christian!
Lehi ,   Yerushalim   (11.15.10)
14. I want whatever Rivka is smoking...
Yosef ,   Boca   (11.15.10)
As long as it has a Heksher on it. I thought the delusional schizophrenic were on strike but I see one that came to work on the name of YeshU ben Pantera
15. im going with #14.
pini ,   usrael   (11.15.10)
16. #5 Naftush
Loyal Jew ,   Israel   (11.16.10)
First of all, Naphtali Greenwood, you are wrong. "Humra" means strict, not lenient. Second, since your "translation" skills contributed to the execution of Martin Grossman last February, you should have the decency to be silent.
17. Falash Mura
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (11.16.10)
Even if they convert, at heart they stay christians,this is just a show,i heard,when they expect visitors they put on Talit and Tefilin and sing Hebrew songs,next day,no visitors no show of Talit and Tefilin,what happened ? did those people suddenly see the light ? or do they smell a better life in Israel ?,they are not different from any other Ethiopian christian in the street , the Number 7,846 should be multiplied by 100 or maybe A 1000 ,For the last 10 years or so,we keep hearing those are the last,and no more,but by some miracle more and more Jews continued to be produced each time, the last.... flash Mura lands in Israel,soon,those none Jews will join forces with the enemies of Israel,courtesy,the state of Israel.
18. #11-You're an insufferable racist!
Tzfoni   (11.16.10)
19. Congratulations Israel
Batya ,   Buffalo, NY, USA   (11.16.10)
I have been following the "Conversion" topic in the State of Israel for a couple of years, and I feel compelled to say: "Congratulations Eretz Ysrael. You now have a Papacy." As long as the Haredi control the Jewish State, I will refrain from supporting THIS 'Jewish" ' State." I smell too much racial bigotry there. Signed, An American Continent-Diaspora Jew
20. What was my Talkback?
John DeLancy ,   Alaska, USA   (11.16.10)
I was going to say something about if people want to be Jews, let them convert, and if they want to live in Israel as Jews, let them live there as Jews. The world needs all the Jews HaShem will provide us. But really, reading Rivkah's musing, I want to read more of her! First though - MM, YNet lets anti-semites and "Palestinian" Arabs post their anti-Israel rhetoric. They won't care about "stealth missionaries" or Templar theorists, as long as they aren't abusive. So, Rivkah - was Mary Magdalene really married to Yeshua ben Joseph (of Arimathhea?)? Did she really flee the Holy Land with his baby in her tummy, is the Holy Grail really the bloodline of Christ, and how did Tom Hanks figure all that stuff out in the movie??? :D Anyway TB'ers, stop bashing the poor Ethiopians. If they want to be Jews, why stop them from converting?
21. HOW DARE THEY!!!!!
(11.16.10)
Who ARE these black overbearing penguins to judge how Jewish anyone is?
22. 19Batya
ORA ,   Jerusalem   (11.16.10)
Jews are worldwide hated.It is not impossible that in the country where you live ,you will be the real victim from racisme.You are free to come here,we will support you,because you are a jew,are you? or what?
23. 20 John De Lancy
ORA ,   Jerusalem   (11.16.10)
Nobody is against Halahic converts.Quiet the opposite.
24. I thought Jews didn't proselytize...
Nick Sporek ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (11.16.10)
... Just goes to show how religious apologist do as they please when it suites them. There is no religion here only politics.
25. re Falash Mura (whatever that means)
miri ,   israel   (11.17.10)
If they are NOT Jewish (poor & uneducated), how will they fit into the modern Israeli society ? They will be a burden to the state - and will encounter many, many problems before settling in.
26. Will they convert out of what?
Yosef ,   Boca Raton   (11.18.10)
Out of the Rabbinate telling them they have to? Out of the society telling them they have to? Or out of them longing to be Jewish at their own time and in their own terms?These are some of the questions. What if they do not want to convert because they feel they are Jews already Or What if they do not want to convert because they want to be Christians? That is for no one to decide and no one wants to make that decision for them either. So once they arrive it will be what they will be. Gam Zu L'Tovah
27. 26 Yosef
ORA ,   Jerusalem   (11.18.10)
It is your right ,if you invite people to live in your house to have conditions.The same for Israel.The immigrants have to conform.Israel is meant to be a jewish state.
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