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Is world waking up?
Manfred Gerstenfeld
Published: 18.11.10, 18:29
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31. obama
redarrow ,   America   (11.20.10)
Twentyfive percent of Indonesians share bin Laden's world view and twelve percent think suicide bombing is acceptable. Obama says Indonesian democracy and tolerance should be an example to the world. I think he means what he says.
32. First time I have ever known poster Edithann
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (11.20.10)
to respond in any way whatsoever. Must have struck a nerve! And Ynet, once again must ask, why do you publicize such dirty material? Have you no principles whatsoever? Edithann's reference was not only misinformed but on a par with Jews killing Gentile children and mixing their blood on holy days to produce matzah. You have no shame Ynet just to upset Readers? Or are you too lazy to check out the reference to some "as if" official U.S. Military website? Under the leadership of the extraordinary political analyst, Carolyn Glick, JPost would not allow it. I, myself, have already received private posts objecting to what you (Ynet) allow to be published. And Aretz Sheva has too much dignity to allow it. We know Editann is pitiful but the publication...Ynet?
33. Is the world waking up, to Edithann's
Elsie ,   gush halav   (11.20.10)
Dear Edithann, for sure my mum would tell you to wash your mouth out, I am not a jew but reading your talkbacks ,i really felt ashamed for you, yes ,we can have different opinions,yes ,we can yell our lungs out when we feel its wrong, but ,always REPECT the others and then you can hold your head up hign,,i really feel that an apology is warranted to Ynet and its talkback followers.
34. # 29. Tom.
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.20.10)
It is useless to complain here as our posts are not read by a human eye but by a software device. Address your copmplaints in an e mail to; editor-in-chief@y-i.co.il
36. #29, Tom W. - Good posts!
Joe ,   Los Angeles, USA   (11.20.10)
I like what you have written so far, but I would like to add a few things - hopefully, you'll agree. In my experience, people like Edithann should not be reasoned with. They only understand force! People like him do not need to be lectured to or be shamed, for they don't get it. You can't dialogue with them, that's all. What they do understand is when they get beaten physically. That's one of the reasons why prejudice against Jews is different than xenophobia against blacks or Hispanics. Most whites racists are somewhat scared of blacks, but no one's afraid of a few Jews beating them to death. Only by being physically assertive and beating the crap out of these bigots can we teach them to behave/put them in their place. Reacting to their prejudice in a bookish way only reinforces their hatred. Just my .02.
37. 21. All Posters, Edithann is just another ,...
split ,   US   (11.20.10)
Is he a Jew hater and hatemonger too ? ,... Rudolf Vrba, born Walter Rosenberg in Tropoljany, Czechoslvakia in 1924, was the Jewish Slovak resistance fighter who escaped from Auschwitz in 1944 to get the news of the Holocaust to the world. He contacted the Jewish Council and told them what was going on in the death camp and the fate with awaited the Hungarian Jews. His account also reached Rudolf Kastner who ignored it. Vrba later commented: "It is my contention that a small group of informed people, by their silence, deprived others of the possibility or privalage of making their own decisions in the face of mortal danger" http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/vrba.htm
38. Again Edithann,Is the world waking up.
Elsie. ,   gush halav   (11.20.10)
Edithann,only voices and opinions heard by' 'your' people, not true, i live in Israel and i am, as i have toldyou ,not a Jew, and my voice is all over the place, i am free to voice my opinions, the different is i do it with repect, something i feel you still have to learn
39. People, do not let "Edithann" hijack this article.
Tahl ,   Ashdod   (11.20.10)
Stay focused on this great article, and appreciate Stephen Harper's amazing contribution to the fight against antisemitism. Don't let one hate-filled sociopath derail the discussion. This poor excuse for a woman is not worth it.
40. # 39
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.20.10)
Agreed Tahl. Shavua Tov to you.
41. A rose by any other name.
Heather Czerniak ,   Mississauga, Canada   (11.20.10)
Harper's words may be reassuring to Jews in Canada and Israel, but very soon there will be a changing of the guard, someone who will do the bidding of the anti-Israel crowd. Anti-Semitism in the US and Canada will grow to an alarming rate. It's just a question of whether my fellow Jews in North America will do the right thing and flee to Israel or will they merely opt for converting to other faiths. The world has tried for centuries to destroy the Jewish faith, but we're still here. When will they learn?
42. I am dual, Canadian/Israeli. Both
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (11.20.10)
Stephen Harper and the leader of the opposition, Mr. Ignatieff, have taken a principled stand, something very uncommon in the political arena. This is one of the reasons I am proud of being a Canadian and love this country. Not too long ago, Mr. Harper made a public apology to the Native people of Canada for the generations long atrocities committed upon them. And the Japanese people, committed Canadians who were deprived of their property and livelihoods during WWII, an official apology went out to them. There is a certain nobility of spirit about this nation in spite of its many flaws.
43. Asking simple questions...and the refusal to answer
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (11.20.10)
In my post #23, I asked very simple questions and the contributors of this talkabc have responded with typical israeli vitriol. Why? The qustions are simple, so simple that even an Israeli can understand them: 1) Is antisemitism the same as anti-zionism? One is a construct of hating 'who you are' rather than 'what you do'. Is this so hard to understand? 2) Would the words of Rabbi Ovadia Yusef be tolerated if he was the spiritual head of a political party in Europe, condemning Jews instead of goys? If not, then why haven't Israelis condemned such words? Anyone? Does such reasoning, or the lack thereof contribute to what you see as the 'antisemitic' feeling? Where do you draw the line between what is acceptable and what is unacceptable? Is it only unacceptable when such language or actions have Jews as the victims of such hatred? What if the Jews are promulgating such hatred against another group? Whether Arab or Euriopean, Christain or muslim? If you don't see your contribution to the problem, and instead continually proclaim your innocent 'victimhood'. is it a surprise that fewer and fewer are listening to you at all?
44. 41 - my fellow Jews in North America will do the right thing
split ,   US   (11.20.10)
... and flee to Israel ? - Be patient !,...
45. in that case...
Hans ,   yadayada   (11.20.10)
...anti-anything is a detriment to any society. How come Judaism gets special treatment? I never got that one... I'm still in awe about how a majority of the Jewish people -- and a lot of others -- see any criticism towards them, or their religious beliefs as something evil. What about criticism aimed at the Catholic church, or hell, even Buddhism? Why are the standards not the same within every religion, and/or organization? Until the same levels of undue respect are applied towards all life on this planet, I will continue to be critical of any society, religion, etc., that doesn't hold itself up to it's own standards.
46. Amen 43 , you nailed it ,...
split ,   US   (11.20.10)
Wait couple of weeks and they will try to sell you the same crap at the kitchen door ;) ,...
47. Mikesailor: In #26 I asked you a very
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (11.21.10)
simple question which you have obviously avoided yet you blame Talkbackers for the very same thing. Why is that, Mike? Are you dyslexic? That would be one explanation. Intellectual cowardness, another. And did you read Edithann's rants? Did you go to the sites she referenced? What did you think? No, wait a minute, a dishonest intellectual poseur like you wouldn't have done that.
48. # 43
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.21.10)
You are putting all Jews in the same basket which is wrong. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef is the spiritual leader of the Sephardic Jews. I as an Ashkenazi Jew do not accept his opinions & do not follow his teachings. However I do not condemn this Rabbi. Is this possible for you to undertsand?
49. # 46
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.21.10)
No way did he "nail it." He has his facts totally mixed up.
50. # 20
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.21.10)
Please note she is no more !!
51. 49 - He has his facts totally mixed up.
split ,   US   (11.21.10)
Yeah the whole world during the centuries didn't get it ,...
52. The Canadian PM support of Israel
Wanda Kuehn ,   Calera USA   (11.22.10)
I am 71 and I well remember world war II so no one needs to inform me about whose side the jews were on. They were victims beyond belief. In whatever way the PM may be off track I am proud that he is against Anti Semitism. It's time for America to take a stand for Israel. I wear a pin every day in support. An American flag and a Jewish flag. They are God's chosen people.
53. #52...Ah, the 'whining' has been turned off.....hahahaha
Edithann ,   USA   (11.22.10)
You'll have to speak up and whine louder guys,...No one can hear you..and no one is even interested... TATA
54. # 53
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.22.10)
Thats where you are totally wrong. We are VERY interested in elderly folks telling us their experiences of their pasts. Unlike you, we like to learn from them, plus we RESPECT them. Now put a sock in it.
55. # 53
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.22.10)
Nope, you have been turned off & out of here. Have a look !!
56. # 53
Israel Forever ,   Israel   (11.22.10)
Speak for yourself. We are interested.
57. Typical Israeli non-response..#47 and 48
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (11.22.10)
I asked two very simple questions and frankly I don't really care about other statements. Yet both of you choose to not answer and instead attempt to deflect by pointing at flaws in another's statements, or by claiming that you don't have to answer because you don't belong to the rabbi's political party. Are you truly that intellectually dishonest and morally obtuse? The questions are very simple, so simple even a 'Canadian' can understand them. And they basically blow both yours and the writer's arguments 'out of the water'. Do you EVER take responsibility? I do agree with one point of the 'other's' writings however. All you seem to do is WHINE.
58. # 57
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.22.10)
I would'nt dream of answering your questions.You have zero credibility on this forum. Show me where I whine?? BTW why on earth should we take responsibility for what Ovadia says??
59. 57 - You should know hasbara tactics by now ,...
split ,   US   (11.22.10)
60. 52 - It's time for America to take a stand for Israel,...
split ,   US   (11.22.10)
So it's not enough that we guarantee the little bully annually $3 billion in military aid , plus another $3 billion in "loans" that are "forgiven" at the end of the fisco year and around $12 billions in indirect tax deductible donations that have to replaced by additional taxes imposed on six pac joe who just lost his job and losing his house due to foreclosure. Now you demand to tag him with loyalty pin to the"chosen" one? Who the hell, do you think you're? ,...
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