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Show me the money
Asaf Gefen
Published: 20.11.10, 14:14
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31. Who is the whore?
Evie   (11.20.10)
Mr. Gefen you win the 1st prize and Ynet wins the 2nd prize. Shame on you for writing such a STUPID and disgusting article.
32. Those offensive terms
Marcella   (11.20.10)
This author certainly used crude language, and many people find this article offensive. But I find the treatment of Israel by this and previous governments EVEN MORE OFFENSIVE. Their repeated acts putting precious Jewish land and heritage on the table as bargaining chips in exchange for fraudulent promises of peace should be deeply insulting to any Jew, Israeli or not. But post-Jews and post-Zionists do not feel this way. They can't wait for the land to be given away. And the reason they attack Netanyahu is because he's not surrendering the land fast enough. They estimate that with Kadima the process would be greatly expedited.
33. #25 BJL - Arabs have been whoring their people for 20 years
Eric ,   Tel Aviv & NY   (11.20.10)
#25 BJL - The Arab leaders have been whoring their people for 20 years - this is why Arafat's wife was living in luxury in Paris while people were in camps in Gaza. If you look at the level of corruption and skimming that the Palestinian leadership has done in the past 20+ years let alone the 60 that they claim to be refugees it would make $3 billion Jets look like pocket change. There were 4 offers for a real and just peace made and all turned down because those lining their pockets at the expense of their people could not stop the free money flow.
34. Gefen the friend of the Jihadists
Arik ,   Guivat Yearim IL   (11.20.10)
you represent what is ugly in Israel : defeatism, lack of national pride, no patriotism, readiness to give Israel away for free to the Jihadist. Leftists like you are traitors trying to break our will power so we surrender our beloved Land of Israel to the Islamists Jihadists. You are a self hating Jew who doesn't deserve to live in Israel.
35. Protecting our security
R ,   Israel   (11.20.10)
On the same internet page in which Ynet printed "Disturbing US poll: Most Palestinians refuse to accept idea of Israel as Jewish state, view peace talks, two-state solution as first step towards creation of one Palestinian state in area; 58% support armed struggle " Mr. Gefen accuses PM Netanyahu of prostituting himself. To me it looks like the PM may just be working to protect our security as he should, in light of the above.
36. A nasty little text that shouldn't have been published!
michael redbourn ,   Arad - Israel   (11.20.10)
The text, which is not worthy of being called an article, would be simply an anti-Bibi rant except that it stoops to gutter language when describing a Prime Minister. Of course Bibi is wheeling and dealing, because that's his job! Gefen who hasn't got a clue about how things work would do well to read what Ex-American envoy Kurtzer just wrote. In his article, Kurtzer writes that "only a year and a half ago, the Obama Administration demanded an Israeli freeze of all settlement construction, including natural growth in existing settlements". "But now, the administration says it is prepared to pay off Israel to freeze only some of its settlement activity, and only temporarily," he writes. The veteran diplomat adds that "in the past, US objection to settlement construction prompted punishments rather than rewards". "If it goes forward, it will be the first direct benefit that the United States has provided Israel for settlement activities that we have opposed for more than 40 years," he writes. So it seems like Bibi has done extremely well! Gefen's final paragraph, of which I'm sure he's extremely proud, simply shows him to be a naive clown.
37. BHO is extorting Israel
RedBull ,   USA   (11.20.10)
and Gefen acuses Israel of being unseemly.
38. LAND FOR SALE
LAWRENCE ,   ZEFAT ISRAEL   (11.20.10)
The antisemitic playwright and actor Moliere ( 1622 -1673) said : " If the jews ever get their own country ,they will only end up selling it ." Moliere knew his customers it seems.
39. MK's selective demand for US written proof of intention
Marcella   (11.20.10)
The PA and Gaza Arabs' leadership have blasted Israel with written proof of their intentions for many years. The MKs only have to read MEMRI, Palestinian Media Watch and many other websites dedicated to document official and non-official statements that they do not intend to relinquish their war to liberate all of Palestine. WHY - yes, indeed, WHY - don't the MKs and the PM take that WRITTEN EVIDENCE into consideration and refuse any demand for the surrender of any more Jewish land? ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Even if this government does not bring Jewish values into its handling of the negotiations, let's assume then that they are people who value scientific methods instead. Well, science always demands proof of evidence. Where's the evidence that the PLO, or Fatah, or PA, or whatever they want to call themselves - have any intention of living in peace with Israel? This process does not pass the Jewish Values test, and it does not pass the scientific test. What you have is nothing but an openly fraudulent act being committed right in front of your eyes.
40. Terry. Marcella. Sarah B, Robert Haymond
tanya ,   tel aviv israel   (11.20.10)
and all pro Israeli friends! From today I am not reading these stupid "opinions".Only your tackbacks matter. If you are not there .. nothing to comment. Love you all.
41. A ridiculous article: What is diplomacy
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (11.20.10)
but strategic bargaining in order to reach the best possible deal. So why call it "prostitution"? If it's prostitution, then all business deals are "prostitution". And what essential noble Israeli characteristic is Bibi giving up? A freeze for three months? An essence of the state of Israel? I don't think so.
42. #40 Tanya
Marcella   (11.20.10)
The main reason I visit this website is the great talkbacks. I often skip the article and read just the talkbacks. :-) I'm Terry's fan too. He cuts through all the nonsense with a few well-chosen sentences. I have learned a lot over the years from other readers' comments, whether they live in Israel or abroad. But it's a great bonus when Israelis themselves provide first-hand impressions. Your own insights are very valuable because you are actually experiencing all this. All the best to you, Tanya, and to Israel.
43. Author forgets about palestinian polls saying that
Yaakove ,   Haifa Israel   (11.20.10)
only 23% recognize Israel as the Jewish peoples homeland in a "2 state solution". whereas 66% view the 2 state soltuion only as a process to achieveing one big "palestinian state" and yet the author talks seriously about peace. go back to your towel on the ramat aviv beach. stay in your bubble...
44. COLOMBIA NOT COLUMBIA
TA ,   New York, NY   (11.21.10)
Somehow I think you meant to refer to the country rather than the university.
45. Bibi makes us look like Machers
Honest Abe ,   US- Israel   (11.21.10)
Now it's Pollards release that's been wiggled into the deal. What does Bibi think he is? A PM or a peddler!? This is simply dispicable! The whole 'peace deal'. It has become flagrantly obvious that Obama & Clinton are engaging in bribery and the PM is engaging in exthortion! We look like a complete and total Shakespearian STEREO-TYPE !! It sounds more like Nazi propaganda than any honest attempt at solving an ongoing crisis! Makes me want to take a long shower and stop thinking about the 'State of Israel' for quite a while!! What a humiliation and embarassment!!!! The Kenesset does NOT like the freeze idea anyhow. Time to relieve the PM of his post and get serious. Israel is the most hated nation on earth! Perhaps it's because of dishonest machers and moochers playing every crisis as an "opportunity" for acquisition rather than for an intelligent purpose. You know: if Israels politicians behave like this, how are their businesses going to act!? That will become the new question for the nations to ask about us with examples like what Bibi is providing. Israel needs a visionary to LEAD the nation of we can just forget everything and resign ourselves to a complete disaster!!! ENOUGH already!! After 2,000 yes of living like dogs in other countries, we STILL haven't learned!! Time to stop partying and start defining who and what we are! N. Or we're going to lose EVERYTHING!!!!
46. Robert Haymond
R ,   Israel   (11.21.10)
Your comments are on the mark every time.
47. This is What an Islamicist President needs to pay
Edward ,   New York USA   (11.21.10)
for his acts of political extortion. Extracting some benefit from a bad situation and providing a delay to the inevitable confrontation between Israel and Obama may be the only way Netanyahu can play. Get as much benefit as you can and hope Obama is a one term president. I like a majority others in the US will never support Obama he is a pariah and the worst president we have ever had. Netanyahu needs everyone's support, I believe he is doing the best that he can against this anti-semite in chief and his lapdog Clinton.
48. #42. Thank you, Marcella.
tanya ,   tel aviv israel   (11.21.10)
49. Be grateful & content for this truly grand gift
Cameron ,   USA   (11.21.10)
20 elite aircraft in return for not stirring the ME pot for a few months? A ridiculous, surreal bargain for Israel. Netanyahu & his cabinet just couldn't ignore the decisive value of those superb jets while existing in a sea of enemy states. What practical Israeli could? Israel had a gift of staggering value placed in it's lap. Be content.
50. no.41
hebrew prophet ,   israel   (11.21.10)
Your views are spot on ,once again Raymond ,especially your analogy of prostitution ,so even if Bibi agrees to another 90 day settlement freeze in exchange for US incentives,he can change his mind any time if he feels the diplomacy route is not the way to go but too many blogers really have no clue about politics and diplomacy which go hand in hand ;it,a also a game of infinite patience with huge rewards ?
51. Dark Yellow
Concerned ,   Israel   (11.21.10)
The offending nature of the sub-title of this article is beyond yellow journalism!
52. # 49
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.21.10)
"a few months" I think not. More like, a few months, then more months & more months. Open your eyes friend.
53. #50 Don't dismiss talkbackers
Jake ,   USA   (11.21.10)
Talkbackers have more good common sense than any of your experts and politicians. We told you what would happen if you withdrew from Gaza. We are telling you now what will happen if you withdraw from the West Bank. It's you, the Netanyahu admirers, who are too blinded by love to understand what he's doing to the country.
54. Pay Attention
Mr. Sunset ,   Arizona, USA   (11.21.10)
Why should Israel freeze building in their own land? If Israel went back to "Pre-1967" borders, the Palestinians still would be refugees right? Pre-67 it was Syria & Jordan, right. It never was "their" land, right? What did the King of Jordan do to the Palestinian refugees in "Black September 1970". Don't be seduced by lies.
55. #33 has it right
Leonard ,   LA. usa   (11.21.10)
You just made me realize just what Obama is doing. Cheaper to give away jets to Israel and save that money that would be going to the Arabs (Palies) Like you said the jets are just pocket change. Pal. leaders won't go for this deal you can bet on it and make some kind of excuse.
56. show mw the money
a ash ,   jerusalem   (11.22.10)
that only comes up when shas is envolved --they will sell the country down the river for their money
57. KOL HAKAVOD
RAFAEL SADI ,   BAT-YAM ISRAEL   (11.22.10)
Dear Ynet readers and Ynet publishers since 10 years acting personally free of charge to explain and to be an advocate of Israel to Turkey. I spend most of my time and even my life to defence Israel and to show the reality of this country to the Turkish media. And Mr Gefen and this article destroyed all what i try to explain. Turkish newpaper made an header with your article , You may be proud of this. There is no need to explain to The Turkish media and Turkish citizens that we have some rights in this part of the world. You declared our Prime Minister as a brothel manager and The Turkish media like it very much. This is the understanding of HONOR of the Israeli authors,. I am not proud of you. And I see in this article anarchy and not democratic jurnalism. Propably you are nogt enaugh democratic to publuish this message also , the first one not yet published. But you will not find any Insult in my words like your. God will bless you . RAFAEL SADI
58. IS THIS DEMOCRACY?
RAFAEL SADI ,   BAT-YAM ISRAEL   (11.22.10)
Dear Publisher , I am objecting to read such articles in your newspaper. This can not be a democracy. This columns can not be used to insult any one even if it is the PM. This will not bring any honor to our nation, to our society and not to the human being. I just want to ask the article auther : If the PM elected by this nation is a Brothel so who is the CAPITAL of this respectable house? Do not realise that your newspaper and also your auther calling all of our nation the workers of this place , in other word prostitues? This is a very bass INSULT. And your newspaper become an internediary for this INSULT. We all of us have the unlimited right to criticiseany one in the public mission. But no one has the right to INSULT. Please take care to this delicate line. To the auther of the article I have nothing to say. The message is to the editor of this web site. RAFAEL SADI
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