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Poll: Most Palestinians view talks as precursor to 1 state
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 20.11.10, 20:33
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31. #17 Palestine will be free. In a pig's eye.
(11.20.10)
32. IT WAS CALLED THE PHASE PLAN
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (11.20.10)
For years people tried to get the message out that Arafat spoke out of both sides of his mouth. He said what the Western Media wanted to hear in English. But whenever he gave speeches to his Arab audiences he always spoke of the "Phase Plan", that it was just a first step to get a country.Phase 1) The idea was to get as much as possible through negotiations then Phase 2) Use that as a launching pad to take the rest of Israel. Now anybody who really follows the Israeli/Arab conflict and was pro-Israel knows this. We have read the transcripts and heard the speeches, not only from Arafat but from other Arab leaders in Israel as well. We always talked about the children, and how they were educated. That NO schoolbooks among the Arabs in the disputed territories or really in any Arab country have Israel on the maps. So what does that tell you They don't except Israel's right to exist. So this poll should come as no big surprise regarding much of the information about how they feel. Although there is some positive points. That Abbas and Fayyad are much more popular than Hamas and their leadership. That the Pals reject Iranian intervention in their political affairs. But still, only 50% would favor accepting Israel as a Jewish state with close to 67 borders. Still only 51% in the WB, and only 12% in Gaza even favor putting Israel on the map. There is a long way to go, Arafat and his people did a great job at brainwashing their population for last 60 years. This should be a wake up call to the liberals of the world.
33. :: Omri - #26
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (11.21.10)
Was it really? I researched this matter a long time ago and the simple stats still stand true - in 1914 the population stats were as follows: 525,000 Muslims, 70,000 Christians and 94,000 Jews. In short the region was not 'almost deserted' and it was certainly not a 'land without a people'. Actually from 1540 to 1947 there was *always* a Muslim majority in the region compared to the population stats of Jews/Christians. This is a simple fact that you will never be able to disprove.
34. 1900 & 1947 an 8% and a 33% Jewish minority
Enough Said   (11.21.10)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3934006,00.html
35. #1 - speaking of intellectual dishonesty
William ,   Israel   (11.21.10)
First, it really doesn't matter what happened in history because Israel is a sovereign State and can do as it pleases without your permission on internal matters. And yes, we are a Jewish State, it's be reaffirmed in the halls of the UN and among media and Intl govt outlets when the constant refer to Israel as "the Jewish State". Second, Lebanon was set up as a Christian State, as Israel was a Jewish one, and several other States were Arab Muslim but specific to certain tribes. That's 7th grade textbook knowledge in a regular school but absent from your madrasa I see. Finally, we already knew the intentions of "Palestinians" regarding Israel. This poll was simply your population hanging themselves after lying to the world about wanting peace.
36. #18 - UN charter is only for sovereign States
William ,   Israel   (11.21.10)
and ethnic populations. The "Palestinians" are neither of these.
37. #18 - on the subject of Right of self-determination by UN
William ,   Israel   (11.21.10)
it covers Israel and Jews, right? Of course it does, unless you are a rabid racist and support Apartheid. Ergo, Israel can name itself a Jewish State without repercussions, it can act to maintain security from its violent neighbors as it does already, and it can determine internal issues such as immigration on its own, as it already does. So, thank you for admitting that Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish State, based on UN charter, making "Palestinian" and Leftist actions like the flotilla, illegal.
38. #20 - because of the organizer or the questions?
William ,   Israel   (11.21.10)
Simply because a group conducts a poll which ends up proving their premise doesn't necessarily mean the poll was biased. While TIP initiated the poll, it was performed by a "Palestinian" polling company (which also works with many other media and govt groups across political lines) and performed face-to-face in both Gaza and West Bank. No one was coerced or asked questions deviated from the list of questions which are cited in the article. So what disturbs you more - that "Palestinians" again hang themselves with their own racist hubris, or that a Jewish policy group benefits from the data?
39. #21 - Arab Christians tell a different story
William ,   Israel   (11.21.10)
I used to think that "Palestinians" began their history in 1967 but it seems you started even later. "The fact that it was never allowed to become a sovereign state due to the expanding illegal settlements" You were offered the entire land by Israel, on the BBC, right after the war for peace, and you rejected it outright explaining that you'll never recognize Israel and will never accept it. Were there any settlements there in 1967? I don't think so, so your claim is false (again). From the testimonies of Arab Christians, it wasn't the Israelis that made life difficult for them but the PLO when they returned in 1994 under Arafat. Life there changed dramatically for them and they were subjected to harassment by Muslims. Not my words - their's, like the families in Bethlehem who were thrown off their land by "Palestinian" Muslims who used falsified deeds to take the land, with help from friends in the PLO. Not convinced? Ask the Christians of Nazareth about the forced take over of their shrine plaza there by Muslims who claimed some sheik was buried at the same location, and tried to force facts on the ground by using heavy machinery 24/7. It was Bibi who stepped in, pushed out the Muslims, and gave the plaza back to the Christians in Nazareth. The Bishop of Jerusalem was always in the pocket of Arafat and admitted he was afraid of speaking his mind. Not surprising. Even reporters from RAI (Italy) profusely apologuzed to Arafat after leaking video of "Palestinian" lynching of 2 Israelis in 2001 and Arafat lambasting them then stating their "security cannot be guaranteed". We all know what the euphemism means among despots and terrorists.
40. #24 - facts, not myths, prove Hertzl's statement
William ,   Israel   (11.21.10)
It was the Ottoman's own census records, and the writings of journalists and writers visiting the region, that support Hertzl's statement. Conversely, your ilk claim the land was filled with Arabs with no room to spare. Tell that to the British who documented again the population, and the languages they speak, in the 1930s, including the illegal Arab economic immigration of tens of thousands. Abbas tried the same game as you are doing. He demanded Ottoman-era land records to prove Arab ownership and instead found hardly anything was even privately owned, let alone by Arabs. Suddenly, he went silent on that topic. As for Ben Gurion - many quotes by your side have been attributed to him but no facts about when and where it took place, basically showing your falsifications, just like your own history. Enough said!!
41. #28 - fact: population in Babylonia, Ur weren't Arab
William ,   Israel   (11.21.10)
At the time of Abraham, the populations north of the Arabian Peninsula were not Arab. They were from the northern regions near the mountains, consisting of Persians, Assyrians, Kurds, etc. And certainly at that time, there was no Iraq, no Syria, no anything with delineated borders, just tribal areas. But despite his background and his home country, based on a request from G-d, he left his home, traveled to the area of Israel and became the father of the Israeli people.
42. to Matty Groves
david ,   herzlia,israel   (11.21.10)
WERE YOU BORN AN IDIOT ?, OR DID THE DOCTOR DROP YOU ON YOUR HEAD WHEN YOU WERE BORN ??? GET IT THROUGH YOUR EMPTY BRAIN : ISRAEL WILL NOT JUST DISSAPPEAR, THE JEWISH PEOPLE HAD WORST ENEMIES THAT THE PALESTINIANS, WE HAD THE NAZIS AND WE SURVIDED THEM, WE HAD 7 ARAB COUNTRIES ATTACKING US IN 1948.. AND WE SURVIVED... WE HAD THE EGYPTIAN AND SYRIAN IN 1973,,, AND WE SURVIVED THEM, WE HAD SCUDS FALLING IN ISRAEL AND WE SURVIDED THEM... AND IT WILL BE A PLEASURE TO SURVIVE ANOTHER ANTI-SEMIT : matty groves ..........
43. Nour and Matty Grove live with helpless Genetical Disorder
Prince ,   Niger Delta, Nigeria   (11.21.10)
Helpless Genetical Disorder has been discovered to be linking jew haters (Israel enemies) and mental retardation. I for one would not be surprised at all! Most jew haters I have met/heard have tended to be one of the following: jealous cowardly angry loners really stupid paranoid delusional dangerous socially inept insecure lazy unsuccessful All in all, as a group, they are pathetic. The best is that some of them are even too stupid to even know they are Jew haters
44. Liberman said it as it is, and the palis called him mental
(11.21.10)
Lieberman said it, even if we go back to 67 borders the conflict will just shift direction. Arabs tried to demonize him because they knew he was on to them. Now that they have actual statistics showing their true colors, they go "durr what did you expect?" as if it's completly normal to talk about how much they want peace and secretly planning to take over israel all together.
45. 25 Matty the Arab countries declared war on Israel in 1948
(11.21.10)
the UN defined the borders and the Jews agreed.Not the Arabs.
46. Vox Populi
Adam Neira ,   Melb, Australia   (11.21.10)
Vox populi has its pitfalls. Because of the incredible nature of the current zeitgeist group consciousness can shift in a millisecond right now. The Arabs and Jews in the Holy Land and Middle East will heed a higher authority if that authority rules with fairness and righteousness. If the wisest perspective is present in a place people will submit to it. When constructing a building, the best architecture and design should prevail, unless you want to settle for shoddy workmanship. It is the same with government structures. G-d is an intelligent designer. To paraphrase a well known crude but correct statement, "Opinion polls are like arseholes. Everyone has one."
47. No. 41
Very Funny   (11.21.10)
So he was an emigrant? Please do not say that "request" was from the Golden Calf?
48. To Chaim: 2 States Mean Your Demise
Dav Lev ,   BurbankCAUSA   (11.21.10)
The Palestinian street has spoken and honestly this time.Why they would admit it is beyond me however? Perhaps, if they encouraged 2 states..always..it would undermine their ultimate goal? A historian/writer was interviewed on US TV after living in Egypt/Gaza for a few years He confirmed the article. Of course Lieberma was right, and up front besides. Yet will this change anything..the direct/indirect talk controversy, the freeze, the settlements, anything? One said, Bibi wants only security (peace) and demographic security. Assuming 2 states, Israel is finished...no one will remain there...Selma, and others wlil prevail. Jordan is finished. If Israel does disengage...it may as well say, "We tried for 62 plus years, but lost the war". Dayan, Begin, Shamir, Ben-Gurion, Golda , are turning in their graves. 25,000 dead Israelis are crying. Arafat is laughing with Sadat and Nasser. To Israel: try the AllonPlan with adjustements, Keep Jerusalem. Give the Muslims autonomy..but under a tight control. They dont like it, skrew them. You will have to fight eventually anyway.guys. The navie left is still naive. J Street is opening more branch offices here. Soros is maneuvering again. All are destined one day for Daniel Pearls legacy.
49. To 43 ,I totally agree!
Michael ,   Copenhagen   (11.21.10)
50. Poll
John ,   U.S.A   (11.21.10)
This poll is very biased. Presenting specific sentences to respondents does not reflect accurate responses.
51. 1 800-call- god
Secular Beast   (11.21.10)
It is said that God granted an audience to the most prominent of the world leaders, each group to ask one question. Stalin and his comerades asked, -Lord is it destined that Communism would ever come to an end?- God answewred , -Oh yes but not in your life time.- The leaders of the European Union asked, -Lord will Europe ever become a power to match that of America?- God answered, -Truly it will, but not in your life time.- The leaders of the Middle East asked, -Lord will there ever be peace in our land between Israel and the Arabs?- God answered, -Most certainly yes, but NOT in MY lifetime
52. to 17- very entertaining-really quite
Barney ,   USA   (11.21.10)
funny. this is the problem. palis believe their own propoganda because they are raised on it with the likes of farfur and such. Palestine is free but it is called Israel. The state of the Jewish people with a united Jerusalem as its enternal capital. Keep dreaming. This isn't going to change.
53. Nour I presume the Romans fought Palestinians in Hebrew Wars
(11.21.10)
The first Jewish-Roman War (66–70 CE), sometimes called The Great Revolt (Hebrew: המרד הגדול‎, ha-Mered Ha-Gadol), was the first of three major rebellions by the Jews of the Iudaea Province (Judea Province), against the Roman Empire (the second was the Kitos War in 115–117 CE; the third was Bar Kokhba's revolt of 132–135 CE). It began in the year 66 CE initially because of Greek and Jewish religious tensions, but later grew with anti-taxation protests and attacks upon Roman citizens.[1] It ended when legions under Titus besieged and destroyed the centre of rebel resistance in Jerusalem, and defeated the remaining Jewish strongholds.
54. Nour we don't want taleban or PLO corruption in 1 state
(11.21.10)
55. PLO is an apartheid state that persecuted Christians
(11.21.10)
56. Israel is the state of the Jewish Nation
Or   (11.21.10)
It is not contestable, it's a fact and people will live much happier accepting this reality than frustrated by it.
57. I give in, long live israel as a jewish state
Observer   (11.21.10)
Maybe israel is the best. I never really knew why I supported those damn pals. Am yisrael chai! Forgive me for all the bs I said. Thank you, long live israel as a jewish state.
58. Stop the press: the Earth is round !!!!!!!
tom ,   tel aviv   (11.21.10)
59. #15 Hanan Ashrawi is a prominent senior member of the PLO
Salma ,   Palestine   (11.21.10)
She Is Christian : ) hope she will be the first woman prime minister of Palestine all PALESTINE...Amen.
60. Nour is totally correct and u zios can't cope with this
michael ,   perpignan france   (11.21.10)
Come on Zion. You let your lunatics in the settlements destroy a 2 state solution. You have two choices left. One state, true democracy and that will be voted back into Palestine. Or the worst ethnic cleansing that will have you despised forever. Even so, how ever much you expand Zion, there will ALWAYS be Muslims over the fence so you solve nothing. What's more with your fairy tales of antisemites, haters etc. You deliberately choose to not understand the nature of your foe. No wonder you cannot win your self created wars anymore. Stay strong Nour. The west is hearing the Story of Palestine at last. I suggest Palestine educate their children in psychiatry. There will be a booming industry of depressed Chosenites needing exit counseling from their cultish illusions
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