Opinion  Ron Ben-Yishai
Pyongyang has the edge
Ron Ben-Yishai
Published: 23.11.10, 17:30
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1. As if Ron Ben-Yishai's talking about Tel aviv ,
Salma ,   Palestine   (11.23.10)
and not about Pyongyang! World s' Double-Standard Policy is the problem.
2. Now here we are
AlbertoGA ,   St.George, USA   (11.23.10)
We have the Obama defending South Korea with hot air. This must be a lesson to Israel. Obama will not lift a finger to defend Israel in case of aggression by the Muslims Terr. gangs.
3. #1 'Salma' he talks about Gaza City Sweetheart
tomahawk   (11.23.10)
4. don't buy the North's hype
W ,   Chicago USA   (11.23.10)
your assessment of the North Korean assault is flawed. You talk as if the North Korean artillery would have the opportunity to rain fire down on Seoul (or anywhere else) with impunity. I suppose no submarine cruise missiles would be used to knock them out? No UAV's or carrier jets either? Numerical superiority means nothing with cluster bombs, and it's not a big country.
5. #4 Not so Fast...
Edwin   (11.23.10)
...it might not be as easy as you assert since the artillery batteries you describe are tucked away in places almost inaccessible even by smart munitions. Seems like there is a concerted effort by all the enemies of Democracy to test Obama’s metal. A Chinese cruise missile fired at California, a North Korean bombardment of a Southern Island, Ahmadinejad’s proxy in Turkey insisting the European Defensive Shield in Asia Minor be commanded by Turkish personnel, etc. Each time Obama has capitulated. What stock can Israel, Japan, or South Korea put in Obama’s reassurances of American support in return for crippling concessions to their enemies?
6. I question the intelligence of this article
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (11.24.10)
The North Korean army has a lot of untrained infantry and little else. Over 3/4 of their tanks were obsolete 40 years ago. Their combat value = zero, they are good for target practice and not much more. About 2/3 of the South Korean tanks are modern. The North Korean air force is still flying MiG-17, 19, and 21s. They make up about 2/3 of their air power. They have a total of 40 modern fighters. South Korea 200+ F-16s and F-15s, plus 130 F-4s. In short North Korea would be totally insane to start a war with the South. I know that the North is starving, but this is hardly the way to win friends and get aid.
7. Nukes
Nick ,   NZ   (11.24.10)
Sounds to me like South Korea needs to get some Nukes itself, that will change things, quite alot!
8. So, was I too critical of your columnist?
sk ,   USA   (11.24.10)
The guy doesn't know anything about Korea -- or about anything, perhaps, except blabbering.
9. w.chicago and his analysis
Moshe ,   T/A Israel   (11.24.10)
If you read the article carefully and I am inclined to agree it is full of hype, the core of the story is that the South Koreans are not ready for war and the Americans are also not ready for a 3rd war - especially a war in which the enemy (N.Korea) is able to absorb an almost endless amount of damage and pain, the South and the USA has much - much lower thresholds. The fact of the matter is that the N.Korea has sunk a S.Korean warship,it has now shelled a South Korean Island in both events deaths have happened and neither the USA or South Korea have an answer,this is a very good example of what will happen with another wild card Iran which also until now nobody has an answer to. If President Obama is the Wests leaders then we are all in deep poo Moshe
10. to #2
Norman ,   Philippines   (11.24.10)
If that happens, time to unsheath the nukes.
11. TO #5
Norman ,   Philippines   (11.24.10)
For the Japanese, they better start assembling nukes and threaten to use it at the slightest NoKor provocation to force the USA to come to their aide at least in delivering large volumes of advance weaponry to them (Japanese). Remember Yom Kippur War.
12. to #6
Norman ,   Philippines   (11.24.10)
North Korea has nukes and their leader is a real demon worse than Ahmadinejad. Their weapon is not as inferior as the Americans told us.
13. to #8
Norman ,   Philippines   (11.24.10)
It seems you know nothing about North Korea yourself.
14. to #4
Norman ,   Philippines   (11.24.10)
Problem is they have nukes dude! South Koreans have expensive toys but they seemed unwilling to unleash it on NoKor.
15. #6 assymetric warfare
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (11.24.10)
There is no way that anyone can beat the Americans in conventional warfare. They have superior technology, logistics, command and control and numbers. That is why the Iranians and North Koreans have other plans. North Koreans have divisions of the best commandos on earth, people who are trained to fight on their own and can endure anything. In a war they will infiltrate the American lines to attack and all the American F22 and F35s will be useless. The frustrated Americans will respond as they always do: massive random firepower killing thousands of non-American civilians. Obama's luck is that the Chinese and South Koreans want stability so they will do anything to prevent a war.
16. Seoul has got the best weapon on the planet
and this is a thing ,   the writer overlooks   (11.24.10)
Ofcourse the south has the best tanks and the best planes, but that's just Iron.. The south has a far more powerful weapon: the spirit of man. and it is entirely with the south in this conflict. Most likely, a single loudspeaker from the south saying something like "we don't want to kill you brothers, join us and help us free our country", will make entire north korean brigades switch sides, without firing a single shot. No need to send in Team America.., my humble estimate is that the south can finish this in a matter of weeks with a minimal amount of casualties for both sides and without US intervention - provided that the chinese agree not to intervene also - and that we supply the south beforehand with every single piece of an anti-ballistic and anti-aircraft weapon we have or may have, to hinder the north's attempt to use its nukes.
17. US deals in fantasy, not reality
Isaac   (11.24.10)
The US deals in what it wants to see and not in reality. The US followed that moron Carter and made an agreement to stop development of plutonium and surprise, surprise, North Korea develops uranium bombs. Obama instituted "tough sanctions" against the North Koreans, which entailed our wonderful sec. of state chasing down one ship, but surprise, surprise, the North Koreans unveiled their state of the art new plant (which is projected to produce at least one bomb per year) and take pot shots at South Korea. China is laughing her blank off. (Just as she and Russia are laughing about that start treaty.) The whole purpose back in the 90's was to stop any nuclear bomb development in North Korea, now we are hoping for containment. The same language that Obama has been using for Iran. (I bet Iran is shaking in her boots.) The US sees what it wants to see - not what is. The US decided to see Israeli efforts to stop terrorism and the Arab efforts to do away with the Jewish state as "Israel trying to become a greater Israel" or so sayth the great James (blank the Jews) Baker (I hear his law firm makes millions representing the Saudis.) So what do we have now, Hizbullah and Hamas (tell us Salma how safe you would feel telling them off? Do you still have your knee caps?) and the PA (delegitimizing Israel - according to them Rachel's tomb and the Kotel are Moslem and the Shin Bet guarding Abbas & Fayyad (both past their term of office)), but Obama is worried about an extra bathroom in a Jewish home. (I can hear the chorus now - but Israel won't be a democracy without a separate independent arab state exactly at the 1967 boarders - hello, Mark Lewiston, have you ever heard of a confederation and where in the world in international law is it written that the settlements are illegal? (other than your keyboard) Or when that independent arab state decides to take over and destroy Israel along with Hamas and Hizbollah - are you going to go to Israel and fight to save her - yeah right. )
18. Israel Israeli #15 wrong answer
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (11.24.10)
First off I am talking about the ROK Army not the US. North Korea is a country and asymmetric warfare means you have already lost. I know the ROK military - I did 9 years in the US Army - 5 of those as an officer. Infantry does not and cannot win a war. Needed but in modern warfare it isn't enough, hasn't been since Napoleon times. The PRK Army is about on par with Syria. With a few more modern aircraft the ROK Army is about par with us. The population of the ROK is double that of the PRK. The military expenditure of the ROK is five times that of the PRK (and that is over 75% of the GNP of the PRK, about 7.5% of the ROK). The People's Republic of Korea is insular, belligerent, uses their government's hatred of the South as an excuse to deprive it's citizens of any rights, racist and depended on rest of the world just to feed it's population. Does that remind you of anybody else?
19. China
Dan Weintraub ,   Los Angeles   (11.24.10)
The pink elephant in the room is China. The reason North Korea acts so belligerently (to use Obama's words) is because they know China has its back. Since China is the big new superpower on the block, North Korea is banking on a weak response from the U.S. which has happened so far. Obama sending in more ships to the Korean peninsula doesn't scare North Korea as long as China supports them.
20. The WAR won't happen because it can't happen!
Sheik Rattle & Roll ,   USA   (11.24.10)
North Korea doesn't have vast military superiority. It has numbers. Saddam had numbers in 1991 and he lost over an estimated 100,000 dead soldiers, 60,000 captured and the US military lost 148 most to accidents. The reason the US and SK is showing restraint is because this is one area where you have almost 2 Million troops staring eyeball to eyeball in the most militarized zone on the planet. This war can't happen it will be devastating to the Korea's and the global community and there might be an exchange of nukes that will change the world we all know dramatically. A full scale war in Korea won't happen because it can't happen and if it did happen brace your selves for a new world order. The US and South Korea can't afford this war and technically the UN because the UN was a major party to the 50-53 conflict which formally never ended.
21. @15 you are so wrong
Sheik Rattle & Roll ,   USA   (11.24.10)
First and foremost to the best of my knowledge the F-35 is not operational and the F-22 is stationed in Japan and second of all there is a variant of the F-35 being developed for the Navy that will fly off of carriers. The bottom line is no body wants this conflict it could be the most destructive conflict Asia has ever seen.
22. north koreah has another very big advantage
chaim schonbrun ,   brooklyn ny   (11.25.10)
they know that Hussein Obama,the traitorous marxist leninist manchurian president,is on their side,that is why it is almost inevitable that before Hussein Obama finishes his term.n.korea and iran will take advantage of the fact that their man is sitting in the white house,and the north will attack s.korea,and iran and syria will attack israel, by electing this traitorous abomination we have guaranteed world war three
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