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Study: What (religious) women want
Tzofia Hirschfeld
Published: 04.01.11, 07:40
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1. Those people on the photo, don't look too religious.
(01.04.11)
2. There are probably about 90% more single non-religious
(01.04.11)
than religious. Whatever the case, while non-religious couples are generally disposable unions and not meant for lifelong, religious couples get married hoping to live with each other until the end of their lives. So it might take for some a bit longer than usual.
3. Finally, an admission that "looking up" is a contradiction.
Scott ,   USA   (01.04.11)
It's a cruel burden on men if successful, competitive, professional women still demand that men achieve more than they have. What happens to the men they push aside? What happens to the men they test and test and reject? If a woman can't accept a man who is equal, perhaps she doesn't deserve equality...
4. Since when are secularists experts on religious people?
American Sabrah ,   Givas Shmilkeh   (01.04.11)
It seems like most chilonim can't get enough of religious matters. Are they finally finding their way back? For a second, I thought Mel Gibson wrote this article.That's besides the point. From a happily religious married woman's perspective, most women whether they are religious or not want to be loved by the man they are with.They desire commitment want to be viewed as the most beautiful person in the world to their partner.They also want someone who will share the same values and goals with them.Women intuitively know that they need someone to share their lives with.Men need to be reminded if that since they are not always aware that they are missing a special someone in their lives.That's partially the reason why women struggle in the dating scene.Its irrefutably true that there is pressure within the religious circles to get married young.A lot of them are not ready and mature enough to understand what marriage entails.But I fail to see how waiting till you are in your mid 30's to settle down after 10+ years of wild partying and rampant sex prepares you for a commitment either.Despite the problems we have, religious people overall have happier marriages than our secular counterparts.The divorce rate among the hilonim is higher than among the religious/ultra orthodox.We view matrimony as a holy union between man and woman.Those who postpone all sexual activity till marriage (like most datim do) also experiences more marital bliss than those who are more promiscuous. Additionally, those who abide by the laws of Niddah tends to be more sexually satisfied as to those who don't usually experience sexual dysfunctions. I'm not saying our world is perfect but holding on to our traditions help sanctify and clarify the meaning of our lives.
5. sounds political not science.
golan ,   Modiin   (01.04.11)
I date these women. The most important thing for them is a smartut on the head and a dictionary of rhetoric about "the holy tzadik rabbi this and that." Its the problem of wanting it all and having remote (stranger one only "knows through the media) role model who they see through the filter of perfection without seeing their faults, bad breath, anger, failings, and what they had to give up. Usually these role models are women with a persona created by the media. "If anyone knew how hard I had to work," said Michael Angelo "they would not think my work amazing." And the older we get the more we want in a partner as a compensation for the infinite time we spent alone and heart broken. No one questions their sexuality unless they would have done so in any case. And besides the religious men are expected to go to the army "learn" philosophies of ancient men, then go find a job (often at minimum wage.) So what do these people have to offer? I made my choice, I do not wear a kippa. I keep shabbat, I make 100K+ I have a car, a house, and heretically have a pet cat. Hashem Ishmor! Ironically I like women who dress modestly, who are traditional minded. But like the women in the studies I want what I cannot have, a religious woman with a brain. Why? Because of a smartut I refuse to wear unless reading the torah, Talmud, or in prayer. And they? Alone! and me? with my cat who is 18 and doing well thank God very much.
6. marrige
steven fisher ,   sandton South Africa   (01.04.11)
I am 43 bachelor and it is scary the precedent the evidence the article presents yes there is an elitist trend but it should be discouraged in marriage
7. Why there are older unmarried people..
Smadar ,   Israel   (01.04.11)
There is one major reason why most of us (including me) are older and unmarried: Having sex with a partner who is not Jewish. This is 95% of the cases. It delays marriage by 10-20 years. This goes for men and women alike.
8. To #5
Mazal ,   Jerusalem   (01.04.11)
My heart goes out to you! How true what you wrote!! As for me, turning 43 next week and still single, depression also takes a big role not to mention not caring about religion anymore and losing much faith in Hashem. I came to Israel 10 years ago hoping to find someone here. But no such luck so far :( I hope you will find your match THIS YEAR! Amen!
9. Marriage candidates...
ORA ,   Jerusalem   (01.04.11)
with the same lifestyle,first look if you feel at ease with one another, and than instead of thinking,what can i get from him or her,look for, what can i give to him or her, to be happy. And also search only for qualities and tell your partner what you appreciate in him or her. Of course,a good heart , moral values,and a positive mind are a must,and you have to be sure of that, before dating. With these in mind, you can build together a happy healthy, everlasting marriage.
10. Stereotypical views again
Miriam ,   Jerusalem   (01.04.11)
I cannot help but think that the conclusions formed from the research results are familiarly associated with certain presumptions about the 'religious zionist community'. If these women are raised both to develop their own education and careers, why does this constitute a downfall by getting married in their early 20s? If they are raised both with traditional-early-marriage-values and liberal ones, does this point to a conflictof values, rather than a modern incorporation of religious egalitarianism very popular in these communities? Why are these women portrayed here as pawns of authorities who are forcing on them certain values? Their education should allow them time and space for self-exploration, for travel and studies, and a reluctance to settle down so early on. Have you not heard of working mothers? Egalitarianism and tradition working in tandem?? And by the way - most women in the western world probably want a taller man :-)
11. To #8
k ,   Israel   (01.04.11)
I don't think anyone who is single should be depressed about their situation. It's better to be single then to be with wrong partner.
12. Could Ynet organize a site for these
ORA ,   Jerusalem   (01.04.11)
people who want, in order to get married,to know partners and their way of thinking.Ynet could every week propose another thema.What do marriage candidates think of that?
13. what after, life is tooo hard for them
observer   (01.04.11)
they have to make Lebensraum in Judea & Samaria. Here is the problem; a subsidized flat is against the Torah law for they grab the land from thy neighbor.
14. marriage
moron ,   galut   (01.04.11)
people dont come in perfect sizes
15. a moron choses wife by size
observer   (01.04.11)
16. marriage between G-d & Israel; Baal & Beulah
observer   (01.04.11)
They tell that the leaders of the people wore wreaths at Mount Sinai at that time as a symbol that they had contracted a marriage with God through the law, that they had become his bride, and that the two had wedded one another. Later we read in all the prophets how God appears and talks with the children of Israel as a husband with his wife. From this also sprang the peculiar worship of Baal; for "Baal" denotes a man of the house or a master of the house, "Beulah" denotes a housewife. The latter also has taken a German form, as when we say "My dear Buhle" [sweetheart], and "I must have a Buhle" Formerly this was an inoffensive term, designating a young lass.
17. woman's tyranny
observer   (01.04.11)
Queen Athaliah, for fully six years no son of David occupied his throne; she, Athaliah the tyrant, reigned alone. She had had all the male descendants of David slain, with the single exception of Joash, an infant a quarter or a half year old, who had been secretly removed, hidden in the temple, and reared by the excellent Jehosheba, the wife of the high priest Jehoiada, daughter of King Joram and sister of King Ahaziah, whom Jehu slew. Here the eternal covenant of God made with David was in great peril indeed, resting on one young lad in hiding, who was far from occupying the throne of David. At this time his house resembled a dark lantern in which the light is extinguished, since a foreign queen, a Gentile from Sidon, was sitting and reigning on David's throne. However, she burned her backside thoroughly on that throne.
18. basically descent from father is the valid thing
observer   (01.04.11)
In II Chronicles 22:11 we read that Jehoshabeath, the daughter of King Jehoram and the sister of King Ahaziah, was the wife of Jehoiada, the high priest. Thus, coming from the royal house of Solomon, she was grafted into the priestly tribe and became one trunk and tree with it. Therefore she was the ancestress of all the descendants of Jehoiada the priest, a true Sarah of the priestly family. Therefore the Maccabees may indeed be called David's blood and children, as viewed from the maternal lineage. For descent from a mother is just as valid as that from a father.
19. Maybe they take their time cause they want to get it right.
rebecca ,   Modiin   (01.04.11)
Maybe they take Marriage seriously.
20. first find out what secular women
ghostq   (01.05.11)
want first, I really struggle here. any thoughts?
21. Blame the women once again
Zelda ,   Israel   (01.05.11)
This is the old familliar refrain of - "women have a problem, it must be their fault." We live in a society where initmacy and unconditional love is not prized. Thus real relationships of all kinds are hard to come by. It is NOT because most or all religious or non-religious women search for a daddy figure as this article posits.
22. to #20
roxanne ,   haifa, israel   (01.05.11)
we want funny smart open-minded men who don't need to feel superior to women.
23. the article/study is very right, except for one thing...
eporue ,   europe   (01.05.11)
...and this is as #21 says... i understand, the article claims, women go into a "waiting"-mode, to not progress further, because it makes it more difficult to find a husband, they can "look up" to... this might be true for very young women. but its dead wrong for older women: they look for someone at SAME eye level. a real partner. and it doesnt matter, if you have to sit or to stand, its the "inner" eye level what counts. and this is exactly what men are looking for - NOT. the older they get, the more they want someone who looks up to them. who confirms they are the classical strong male. when they come home from work, they want to be confirmed and pampered - not challenged by someone with ideas, opinions, and their own trouble. men and women are looking for something totally different. their definitions of "partnership" are very different.
24. to #22 weird I thought you wanted to be
ghostq   (01.05.11)
protected... decide allready, you driving me nuts, so if what your saying is true... than you won't mind doing the stuff we do, we can use helping hand you know.
25. 23 eporue
ORA ,   Jerusalem   (01.05.11)
Religious women have exactly these qualities you are looking for.But they only want religious men.
26. "study"?
Ronit ,   Minneapolis, USA   (01.06.11)
This sounds more like an editorial than a "study". A study involves actual numbers, an actual hypothesis, and actual results. Not only is this not a study, but most of it seems completely ridiculous. NONE of the religious girls I know (and I know quite a few)-including myself are "waiting" to emotionally or spiritually "develop" until they are married. That's insanity!
27. Re: #5 Shomer Shabbat and No Kippah
Mosh ,   Petach Tikva   (01.06.11)
More women should be open to dating those that are shomer shabbat but do not wear a kippah.
28. As a single 'older lady' I am the man I want to marry
(01.06.11)
I gave up long ago. And now at an older age, I settle for what I can get. Since I have most of what I was looking for, I decided I am the man I want to marry! So I will stay happy and unmarried. My Bershert was not born to me. Why? Maybe beccause so many were killed in the holocaust. I will have to see him in the hereafter I guess.
29. 27 Mosh
ORA ,   Jerusalem   (01.07.11)
If you don t wear a kippa,how can women know that you are shomer shabat?It is not easy in Israel,for people who are half orthodoxe.It is worth to do the necessary in order to really belong to the orthodoxe society.They are warm people,and women are very caring.
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