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Haredi press: Yishai critics like anti-Semites
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 05.12.10, 13:09
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1. Minister Yishai's self denial
Joel Burstein ,   Jerusalem   (12.05.10)
In his second stint as Interior Minister, Minister Yishai has again failed to do his job which is to sell to the PM and Treasury the need for additional firefighters and equipment. He is competent only to raise funds for Shas schools. He must resign or be dismissed.
2. #1 Right behind you with your comments!
Talula ,   Israel   (12.05.10)
3. Do Seculars (media, etc) scapegoat Hariedi,
Jae ,   Lynn US   (12.05.10)
Like much of the western and Islamic world scapegoated the Jew? I think the answer judging by relentless articles piling on Haredim with narry a counter perspective...is a resounding yes. Seculars do pile on the Hareidm, and they dont realize it but they are at least half repsonisble for it. If you want to take a sociological perspective the power elite (financial meida and academic) of Israel- secular naturally- created this ticking time bomb, as they did with the situation in Judea and Samaria. Look in the mirror seculars and use common sense to solve problems, not blame, not hate, not indifference to the haredi and arab situation. The answer is somewhere in the middle usually. Loyal arabs stay, terrorist fire setting arabs no longer citizens; a percentgae of heredi do national service, a percentage stay and learn and keep the jewish identiy of israel strong. without idenitiy you are lost; just ask the 80% assimilation rate of non orfthodox american Jews about their jewish "identity".
4. always whining about anti semitism
JL   (12.05.10)
as a front to hide behind...enough is enough...the heredim control the relevant portfolios that control where the monies go...they are never short of money for torah study and yeshivas...we all know none of them serve in the army and do not work...its time for them to go
5. minister yishai
sas ,   israel   (12.05.10)
your critics are being HONEST and face reality. how do you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning???????????????
6. incompetence not Jewishness
Michael ,   Haifa   (12.05.10)
Not only Yishai, but also the rest of this pathetic government are a bunch of incompetents who could not even run a grocery shop in the shtetl. The amazing thing is that we vote the same bunch of pathetic incompetents back into power time after time. Maybe we don't deserve a State of our own.
7. To all the "honest" "objective" TBers here
Greg ,   USA   (12.05.10)
Your remarks on a non-Jewish website would be condemned (probably even by you!) as anti-Jewish hate. Why is it "kosher" if it appears on Ynet?
8. Talk about hit a nerve
Talula ,   Israel   (12.05.10)
I don't recall reading derogatory talkbacks about Yishai being a Jew. The talkbacks merely state the obvious and that is that Eli Yishai, haredi or not, is an incompetent loser of a man - but we all know that, it’s public knowledge. He prefers to see millions of shekels channeled into Yeshivas, the laziest good-for-nothings in this country. You know, the ones that lie about the number of students to get extra funds and guess what, Eli Yishai bends over backwards to accommodate them. From one Jew to another, Eli Yishai is a loser and he needs to step down and let someone with a set of cast iron balls take over. He has never had the good of the entire country at heart – only the good of the Haredim. If he was really THAT concerned about the country’s infrastructure and our firefighters having sufficient equipment and funds, he would have threatened to leave the coalition as a protest, just like he does when the Haredim are refused money – but he didn’t – he didn’t try at all. Step down loser – it’s time to go home.
9. Fascinating
Shimon ,   Loveland, USA   (12.05.10)
Why do the haredim equate anyone coming after Yishai as anti semitism? He failed at his job. A michdal is a michdal, with or without a kipa. Time to put them (from Sharon onward) on trial. Enough of religious parties. Time to change the government into a functioning operation instead of a barter/eastern bazaar where it's scratch my corruption and I'll scratch yours. Wake up! Throw the bums out!
10. In the USA...
leo ,   nyc   (12.05.10)
this type of defense is called "...playing the race card..." Historically it has been pretty successful for the claimant but it has nothing to do with the truth...
11. If bashing Yishai
Sagi   (12.05.10)
and Haredim in general is anti semitism then I am proud to be an anti semite. This kind of semite is a no good semite therefore I am anti.I am not ashamed of what I say. I genuinely believe that these folks will be the devastation of our People and Land. They will be the end of Israel and in so believing it is my right and duty to speak out as I feel.
12. Hey, you just did talk about it.
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (12.05.10)
So a single corrupt Yeshiva management now means that all Yeshiva students are corrupt money-grubbers - and that Yishai is one as well. And along the way, you pretty much said that Yishai stole money from firefighters to give to Yeshiva students - as many others sadly have. As for bending over backwards... yes, he does. They're his electorate. That's what every party does as part of its prancing about in public to show that it (supposedly) goes ahead with the election promises - every party does it. But there's a major difference between what's reported in the papers and what's done in private - Shas' MK Atias conducted extensive reforms during his time as Minister of Communications, and they got very little media attention, for example. I'd wait and see what an actual investigation reveals, myself. If Yishai failed his obligations, then your form of accusation is just playing into his hands - you're not attacking him personally, you're attacking him based on his religious affiliation, and he can wave that around as persecution.
13. Why Pick on Yishai?
S Judah ,   Jerusalem   (12.05.10)
1. I have read that that the ratio of fire man to population should be 1 in 1000 or 2000. In Israel it is 1 in 10,000. This did not happen under Yishai's watch it was inherited. Everyone one before has a responsibility here. 2.Yishai has stated catagorically that he requested more funding fpr the fire service and was turned down by the treasury. 3. And don't be disgusting and vile to suggest the funds went to religious areas only, 95% of funding goes elsewhere. 4. Most of the talbacks on this board are dishonest, disgustingly anti religious and made without any understanding of what is what. Just hatred for the sake of hatred. 5. To Eli Yishai, I say Kol Hakavod for all the good work he does, one of the few genuinely honest politicians is Israel who has always shown a regard for all strats of the public even though the misrable haters on this board fail to acknowledge it.
14. # 13 Yishai an honest politician
Raptor   (12.05.10)
like me an astronaut.
15. Antisemites
Joel   (12.05.10)
If those who blame Yishai for the fire are antisemites, wouldn't the same apply to those who blame Jews who were not sufficiently compliant with the mitzvot?.
16. Save our country from the Hardalnikim
Ussishkin ,   Tel Aviv Israel   (12.05.10)
The Haredi Dati Leumi - Hardalnikim - are as close as they coiuld be to the levers of power of our state. We have to stop them, before we become a religious dictatorship. Hitzilu Et Artzeinu!
17. haredi
mike ,   uk   (12.05.10)
They are an absolute disgrace, the lowest of the low.
18. 14 Yes Raptor - Very Honest
S Judah ,   Jerusalem   (12.05.10)
I challange you to find any examples of dishonesty on the part of Yishai. Forget 3rd rate innuendo and anti Shas gossip. Give us the meat if you have it. We can all make up things and try to pass them off as real and serious. But you cannot pass off soya as meat to anyone unless that person want's to believe it's meat. This guy has been honest since he entered politics. Yes I know it's a great shock to believe there is an honest politician. After all , all the great secular heros from Herzl, Ben Gurian, Dayan , Rabin, onwards all proved to be seriously flawed and manupulative politicians, not to mention several religious ones as well, so it's naturally difficult to believe. But believe it, Yishai is honest.
19. "Honest," Judah?
Moshe ,   Jerusalem   (12.05.10)
How many Shas Members of Knesset have been convicted of such serious crimes that they went to prison? Each hand=picked by Yishai. The Director General of his Ministry, his longtime, close friend and advisor- facing very serious criminal charges. Perhaps nothing on Yishai has been found- yet. But as we so tragically now know in Israel, where there is smoke, there is fire. Yishai is just another sleazy Israeli politician.
20. How does Yishai sleep at night
Avi ,   Israel   (12.05.10)
All the pathetic exscuses from this vile politican , how strange he managed to fund all the Shass Yeshivot yet cut the budget of the fireservice . The results of which include 42 dead, Then the leader His Roayal Holliness Ovadia Yosef the leader of the Shas cult comes out with his usual venom announcing that these people died because they dont study torah, why dosent his royal hollliness Ayatollah Yusuf supreme spiritual leader tell that to the face of the widows and the orphaned Childern whose fathers burnt to death. The man is a coward and a fraud.
21. 20 The same way you do Avi - on a bed.
S Judah ,   Jerusalem   (12.05.10)
The better question to ask is how all the governments before neglected this situation and how can the treasury personal who refused to increase the fire services budget at Yishai sleep at night.
22. 19 Moshe, is your response honest?
S Judah ,   Jerusalem   (12.05.10)
There are no facts in your response, You are wheeling out standard anti Shas muck. It's soya not beef and stop trying to pass it off as beef. What will you say if a commission verifies Yishai's request for more funding and the treasury turned it done. Will you come on here and apologise?
23. Secular hatred no better than racism, xenophobia, or
Jae ,   Lynn US   (12.05.10)
dare I say it, anti semtism. You should be ASHAMED of how strong a grip hatred has on your hearts, some of you and you know who you are. If you inserted black or anyone else for the vilification you lay on hareidm you would lose your job and societies respect in a nanosecond. The double standard is glaring. Youre also very brave since there are hardly any haredim on here to defend themsleves. You must be very proud of your courage and bravery, they cant even defend themselves. You ought to be ashamed at how much hatred you have. It hurts YOU....
24. Talula, please list the problems with secular society
WOW ,   Israel   (12.05.10)
we are waiting ( ai m not haredi or dati) but I am offended at how much stereotyping, hatred and obnoxious loshone hara there is. But then again you probably didnt get much yeshivah education, did you?
25. OLmert was PROVEN to be a corrupt politician
non Dati Jew ,   Israel   (12.05.10)
the likes of whihc are rare, and yet did the chareidim go saying all seculars are corrupt? Yishai has not been proven of corruption and you guys are waiting in the wings to declare him and all hareidim guilty before he has been even asked to go to court for anything. I think the hareidim have things to work on, but hello people, secular society has as much or more to work on!! 13 year old gilrs gang raped, husbands murdering wives, and on and on. The school of Israel need to get some Jewish values across to these kids or you will only see it getting worse. MTV Nirvana and lady gaga and south park can not replace Torah valkues, of which the Haredimi nor any Jewish denomination have a monopoly on. The hatred is obnoxious and jaded. Does your shyt not stink? Please...
26. Soya, Judah?
Moshe ,   Jerusalem   (12.05.10)
Shlomo Benizri, Shas MK, GUILTY- Prison; Yair Peretz, Shas MK, GUILTY- Prison; Ofer Hugi, Shas MK, GUILTY- Prison; Yair Levy, Shas MK, GUILTY- Prison; Rafael Pinhas, Shas MK- GUILTY- Prison; Aryeh Deri, Shas MK- GUILTY- Prison. Soya, Judah? Shas is sleaze. Shas is a party of criminals.
27. Shas are the experts in lashon ha'ra
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (12.06.10)
One need only look at Shas leaders to show our children who bad people behave. Last week a Shas MK suggested that haredim work for a living. Eli Yishai erupted with such ugly comments (giving us examples of motzi shem ra and lasha hara at the same time) that my kids wondered who this guy was and was he really a rabbi (since their rabbis at school never talk with such hatred). Get Shas out of the government.
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