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Survivors to rabbis: Nazis wouldn't rent to Jews
Aviel Magnezi
Published: 09.12.10, 11:20
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31. Jews were not the German's ENEMY!!!!!!
M   (12.09.10)
Israel surrounded by 1 BILLION enemies=Jews in Germany??? Have you lost your minds up there in Israel?
32. Hitler didn't smoke
Yerushalmi ,   Jerusalem   (12.09.10)
Then we should. Same logics
33. Kind of like the leftist racists trying to prevent Jews from
Omar ,   Israel   (12.09.10)
Kind of like the leftist racists trying to prevent Jews from living in East Jerusalem!!
34. Mr Survivor
Harry ,   Jerusalem   (12.09.10)
I don't remember the Jews, wherever they were in Europe, trying to take over the country. What happened in the Holocaust, has no place here. This is the Land of Israel, The Land of the JEWS, and we have a RIGHT to protect ourselves from people who are bent to wipe us out. Don't insult the families of the Holocaust by comparing it to what is happening today. IT IS CALLED "CONTINUOUS SURVIVAL". The flap you hear is only because it came from Jews. JEWS, who by definition, believe in God and His Torah as a way of life. The Jews were promised this Land. WE have an obligation to protect this Land. That is what the Rabbis are doing- PROTECTING OUR LAND. Anyone one who cries that this is a "Blow" of some kind, they have a severe problem. Anyone who doesn't like GOD'S RULES, there are many many many other places, you can play out your democratic values. JEWS HAVE ONLY "GOD GIVEN TORAH VALUES".
35. let's be the same
The Last Zionist ,   Eilat   (12.09.10)
Again the right wing nuts are demanding that we copy the actions of our enemies.
36. #34 Mrs. Harry ,
Salma ,   Palestine   (12.09.10)
Who wants to hear more lies from you?! You'll choke on your own lies that you puke.
37. THESE 'RABBIS' ARE LYING! HALACHA DOES NOT CONDONE BIGOTRY!
stude ham   (12.09.10)
these 'rabbis' have pretty much corrupted the words of torah and the traditions of halacha. they are desperately trying to make us believe that torah and halacha gives their racist bigotry a foundation. guess what... the nazi comparison is very apt.
38. Finally
Yossef   (12.09.10)
there are a significant number of jewish talk-backers with a sane mind. I'm glad. I would be delighted if on the other side I could see as many Arabs fighting anti-jewish racism.
39. Hitzilu Et Artzeinu - Save Our Nation
(12.09.10)
As someone named for a Holocaust victim I applaud Yad Veshem for this statement. I'd like to be able to applaud the Justice Minister, the Religious Services Minister and those representing the state's legal system. But I can't because they are all silent. So it's up to us, we the people, who these Ministers and the system and the muncipal rabbis all serve. Both Ministers should call on those other senior Haredi Rabbanim who in the last day or so refused to sign the petition favouring discrimination against Arab citizens. Failure to act and to be seen to be acting now would be a sign that we are deeper into our abyss than we've been before. Hitzilu Et Artzeinu. Save our nation!
40. :: Another step towards devolvement
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (12.09.10)
It is amusing to see the Ynuts here trip over themselves to try and justify this openly racist letter signed by rabbis which prohibits the rental or sale of property to non-Jews. Firstly this racist letter applied to all "non-Jews" and not just "Arabs" eg: it also applies to migrant workers. Secondly the Ynuts so-called 'argument' that Israeli Arabs are all trying to 'destroy Israel' or that 'Arab Islamists do not contribute to Israel' is entirely erroneous and inherently racist. In essence this racist letter targets ethnic minorities solely because they are not Jewish, the justification given within this letter to prohibit the rental or sale of property included fears of intermarriage and blasphemy as well as the claim that "among non-Jews one can also find enemies who may endanger the lives of Jews". In some regards this letter is similar to the policies of Nazi Germany towards the German Jewish minority in that the Nazi Germans also feared intermarriage and often cited Jews as a 'danger to German society' but the prime difference is that these Rabbis issued this letter based on religious racism rather than ethnic racism. I would also point out an obvious truth, these racist rabbis who are trying to discriminate against non-Jews are the same rabbis that would gladly see secular Israel devolve into a repressive religious state where men and women are segregated, where children are forced to study the Torah at the expense of a basic education, where women are second-class citizens and have to cover themselves up in public and where Israelis are judged by and discriminated against based on how 'kosher' they are. As the famous quote goes: "They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up..."
41. Not the same at all.....
safta of 12 ,   Israel   (12.09.10)
Jews didn't want to destroy a country... Arabs do...End of conversation. Rabbis correct in their call.............
42. #37 it is halacha, not bigotry
Yerushalmi ,   Jerusalem   (12.09.10)
Rambam, hilchot avoda zarah 10:3 אין מוכרין להם בתים ושדות, בארץ ישראל; ובסוריה, מוכרין להם בתים, אבל לא שדות. ומשכירין להם בתים בארץ ישראל, ובלבד שלא יעשם שכונה--ואין שכונה, פחותה משלושה. ואין משכירין להם שדות; ובסוריה, משכירין להם שדות. ומפני מה החמירו בשדה: מפני שיש בה שתיים--מפקיעה מן המעשרות, ונותן להם חניה בקרקע. So, it is forbidden to sell them agricultural land or houses, in Syria it is forbidden only for agricultural land, selling houses is permitted, it is permissible to rent to individuals, but it is forbidden to rent to more then non Jewish 2 households in the same street because 3 households are a neighbourhood. So south of beer sheva is not eretz yisrael. Acco is also not. Golan is Syria (partially eretz israel). Rest is eretz Israel. Halacha is simple and clear.
43. Arabs won't rent to Jews!
Benny ,   Gush Etzion   (12.09.10)
Abbas said openly no Jews in the areas he controls! Why can't I rent an apartment in Bethlehem?
44. WW 1 powers set-up arabs in Iraq,Syria,Lebonan,Jordan+20
sam ,   USA   (12.09.10)
jews got Palestine as a jewish homeland;those tring to change this are climbing up on the wrong tree.
45. Ironic that the Levis added to Torah about selling Jewish
Josh   (12.09.10)
The books attributed as Torah (five books of Moses as they claim)supposedly from the mouth of G-d, state that there are rules for redeeming a Jewish slave sold to a non-Israli and how to go redeem them from the non-Israeli that lives in the land. From the passage it is clear this is a rich goy owning property. So if the Levis could do this, why are the Rabbis ignoring our history and the book THEY say is Torah from g-d? Additionally, Levis wrote rules on the charging of laborers that live in the land and married daughters for their food and later that they could not eat the holy food. Even Devarim written in the first person, talks about giving pay to the non-israeli who dwells in the land. So once again the Rabbis are touting themselves over what Levis did, and Torah states it is the Levis job. No where does write the service could go to non-Levis. What gives Rabbis? I know the answer I just like watching you twist in your own webs. Let my people go. Why do you shame our people. Are you trying to create enemies so you can strengthen your cult by creating barriers to the world? We don't roll this way as one once said.
46. What kind of rabbis are these anyway?
noa ,   israel   (12.09.10)
47. Liberal democracy or not
Christian ,   Sweden   (12.09.10)
Certain questiones arise here. Is liberal democracy a basic Jewish value? You don't seem to agree on that. Is it fair to to place a rabbinical opinion about halacha on a level with state legislation forbiddning Jews to sell or rent to non-Jews. As a citizen you are free to listen or not listen to the rabbis and you should certainly be free to sell or rent to whoever you decide to sell or rent your property to, that is if you adhere to liberal democracy all the way. And finally: Can Israel survive as Jewish state in ME and at the same time be a fully-fledged liberal democracy?
48. #42 Yerushalmi
Yossef   (12.09.10)
Question : "מי זה "הם" מי "אין מוכרין להם Avodah zara refers to idolatry and idolatrous practices. I have not heard that Muslim are idolaters. You must enforce your understanding of what you cite.
49. #47 Christian, No Judaism has nothing
Yossef   (12.09.10)
to do with liberal democracy. Judaism has to do with Justice and Freedom.
50. #36 Mr Falestinee
harry ,   jerusalem   (12.09.10)
Right on!!! 4000 years of LIES. I am not the one on Hallucination drugs. You should be the one preaching about LIES. Tell us readers one TRUTH about you people. Falenstein was given by Emperor Nero hundreds of years before there was such a thing like Islam. Even your name is a LIE. And if you are a Christian Falestenee, for sure we have been around before you. So go CHOKE on your TRUTHS.
51.  Liberal democracy or not
Rina ,   Haifa Israel   (12.09.10)
Christian, you don't know what you are talking about. You live in different environment, and your country is not surrender by enemies...yet. You can talk about liberal democracy, but on my opinion it's a big BS and nothing else. And it's also funny to hear something about liberal democracy from the person, who live in the country with socialists government. Most of people in your country got their apartments or houses from the government and it's government to decide who would live in historical part of Stockholm and who not. By the way we have democracy, which means we have right to vote, we have social security, we have parliament, we have law, we also have army, who keep us safe. Not one of Arabs country have this kind of democracy. They maybe vote for their leaders, but most of time their votes is a simple fraud, because everyone knew who will win. Even in Sweden you hardly have a liberal democracy, because liberal democracy is not real. Every country and every government have a law and rules, especially socialist governments. Maybe socialists gave you illusion of liberal democracy, but it's just what I said - illusion. Usually socialists as communists control their countries economic, banks, land. So you can talk about "liberal democracy" as much as you can, but this kind of democracy would never survive in Middle East, but Israel will survive, and already survived for 63 years and would survive much more years in future.
52.  Jews wouldn't rent to Nazis.
Alce ,   Wonderland   (12.09.10)
53. #8 - Leftists and Arabs use "Nazi" constantly
William ,   Israel   (12.09.10)
They use it as if its the only word they know, oh and the word "racist". You use them constantly out of context and without regard to the actual definition in order to defame other people and mollify those who best you in an argument. If it's forbidden anywhere - its obvious you haven't gotten the memo on it.
54. #10 - well, crabs are non-kosher, Jonathan
William ,   Israel   (12.09.10)
though I'm sure you meant to say "Arabs" instead...and unlike Arabs, Crabs have never actively taken part in racist aggressions against another ethnic group among them nor have ever supported genocidal acts. Sadly, the same Arabs who have supported such racist war crimes are the same demanding "equality" and laws in their favor.
55. Where is the Outrage Over Muslims STEALING Christian Homes
Linda Rivera ,   New York, USA   (12.09.10)
and land? Holocaust Survivors and Yad Vashem please DON'T remain silent! In a massive victory for Islam, against their will, Arab Christians were cruelly placed under brutal occupation of PLO/Palestinian Authority. In the filthy Islamic Invasion of Church of Nativity in Bethlehem, Judea, Muslims tore up Bibles for toilet paper. Christian majority towns, Bethlehem & Nazareth are now majority Muslim - terrified Christians were driven out by cruel Islamic persecution. Many Bethlehem Christians' homes and land were stolen by Muslims. The Christians who remain, live in constant fear.
56. #3
Secularism ,   NY, NY   (12.09.10)
Halacha or not, Israel is NOT a halachic state and I hope it never will be. Israel is a secular democracy. The Rabbis can make any statement they want, but they collect a salary from the Israeli tax payer, Jew and Arab alike, so they must accept and obey non-discrimination laws. As a Jew, I could care less for your "jewish values" if that includes superstition and bigotry. Israel is SECULAR, deal with it, or move to some Haredi ghetto in the galut.
57. #50 Mrs harry ,
Salma ,   Palestine   (12.09.10)
Good that you recognize that we "tell lies" since 4000 years, see WE PALESTINIANS here before you : )
58. # 51 Rina
Christian ,   Sweden   (12.10.10)
Your talback reminded me of a debate in the Swedish Parliament(Riksdagen) before 1939 on economics and socialism. A virulently antisocialist member asked permission to speak and was very critical of what the great and very learned labour leader Rickard Sandler had said on this subject. The said member finished with saying that he had tried to understand Das Kapital of Karl Marx but in vain. Sandler only replied: That the honorable member found Das Kapital incomprehensible may not be entirely the fault of Marx.
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