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Poll: Israel's Arabs don't want to be part of Palestinian state
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 09.12.10, 21:10
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1. Saban Center is a RADICAL ATHEIST LEFTIST organization!
Jason   (12.09.10)
"The survey showed that 40% of Israel's Jews are in favor of a peace agreement based on a return to the 1967 borders and the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel, while 27% are against an Israeli withdrawal and a Palestinian state. " ==================== NOT TRUE!!!!! ITS THE OPPOSITE!!!!!!!!
2. p.a state
carlos ,   TA Israel   (12.09.10)
who want to be in a P.A state anyway ??
3. Israeli Arabs Greatest Fear Is Being Governed By Arabs
Seth ,   Washington, DC   (12.09.10)
4. they know these are more of a liklyhood of peace...
Galut ,   Selah   (12.09.10)
...in thier communities than under the PLO or HAMAS there is continuious in-fighting and death... there is something about an ordered society without conflict that is appealing...!
5. Partition (#192)
Frank ,   London, UK   (12.09.10)
If the idea is to finally carry out the partition resolution it would make sense to do it on ethnic lines. The 1967 lines are just cease-fire lines so do not carry any international legal validity. I don't think there will be a problem in delineating Akko and Yaffa as exclaves and merging parts of Galil with the Palestinian entity. In such a case, it would be useless to ask individuals which citizenship they prefer - it would simply go by residence and ethno-religious definition.
6. Israeli-Arabs? what about Arab Jews?
observer   (12.09.10)
The Mizrahim who arrived in Israel ended up in agricultural work, 10-12 hours a day in conditions of disease and squalor. Their high death rate was explained by one Zionist official as a “common and natural thing”. Today Mizrahim constitute around 50% of the Israeli population. Palestinian Arabs make up another 20%, so the total non-European population is about 70%. Mizrahim were spatially marginalized by the Israeli settlement project, whether in the isolated periphery or in poor and stigmatized neighborhoods of Israel’s major cities. This has limited their potential economic, social, and cultural participation. The creation of the Israeli new identity involved the de-Arabization of the Mizrahim, the near total erasure of their cultures, the nationalization of their politics. The Mizrahi Jews cannot be turned into an "other," nor can they be cast beyond the fence; at most, one can construct detours to bypass development towns and poverty neighborhoods.
7. Israel needs to groom the stranger concept from the Tanach
Galut ,   selah   (12.09.10)
do this and there is no need for a two state solution ---- Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.” (Exodus 22:21) “When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him.” (Leviticus 19:33) “The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt.” (Leviticus 19:34)
8. #3 - Israeli Arab's greatest fear
Frank Qalamn ,   London, UK   (12.09.10)
Still, no reason to rescue them if they keep electing the MKs they keep electing
9. #1 Jason is right. Ask anyone who has done polls
Howard K   (12.09.10)
They'll tell you that they are paid to come up with certain results. They select their targets and they word their questions in such a way as to get the answers they want. It's all rigged! Except for clinically insane Jews and those who get paid by foreign countries and organizations to agitate in favor of the Arabs, no sane Jew would want to partition his country and subject tens of thousands of Jews to another Amona or Gush Katif tragedy. Gush Katif expellees are still without permanent and adequate housing, more than five years after losing their homes and livelihoods. No matter how they spin them, when it comes to the Jews, those polls are just not believable.
10. W e Too Want That : )
Salma ,   Palestine   (12.09.10)
Palestinians in "Israel" will remain "Israeli citizens" , they would not leave their homes, keep it up guys ; )
11. Arab mentality
oxo ,   USA   (12.09.10)
Even Arabs would rather be under western type rule where there is fairness and freedoms, instead of being ruled under barbaric 7th century control-freakism sharia law. Ask any Arab who have tasted life in the west if he would rather live under the legal system of Saudi Arabia or any western nation. Case closed!
12. Whatr about Canada's Stephen Harper?
Charles ,   Paris, FRANCE   (12.09.10)
Canada's PM is probably the strongest supporter of israel anywhere in the world. Was he not on the list of choices when Merkel was chosen as Israel's most popular foreign leader?
13. #10
Frank ,   London   (12.09.10)
It's because you want this, we don't want it. Territorial exchange with change of citizenship is the right answer.
14. #10 wake up
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (12.09.10)
Lieberman's proposition is not to have anyone leave their homes. He says the borders are simply redrawn. In such a way the Arabs of Um El Fahem don't do anything but just become citizens of the Arab state instead of a Jewish state. The reason they don't want this just and fair solution is simple: bituach leumi.
15. "Galut" (#7) misunderstands Tanach's concept of "stranger"
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (12.09.10)
It was always understood that the "stranger" referenced in the Torah was one who neither warred against his Jewish neighbor nor worked to undermine the Jewish authority over the Promised Land. Those who did either clearly weren't welcome in the land. As to the Lieberman plan, I've never viewed it favorably because it would take a long time before such a plan could be implemented (think Ghajar) and those Israeli Arabs who didn't want to fall under PA rule (almost all) would simply move. Israel would end up losing the land but the former residents would remain Israeli.
16. No normal person leaves a free Israel for an Arabic hel
robert renders ,   belgium   (12.09.10)
17. #7 Agree and Disagree. "Stranger" concept
Jae ,   Lynn US   (12.09.10)
applies to those who want to live among the Jews peacefully and supportively at the very least and actually become Jews according to the research that I did. See for yourself what traditional Judaism (ask a habad scholar to look it up) says on that. its not talking about "your enemy"
18. #11 you would think that's the reason
(12.09.10)
but in reality the reason they don't want to be annexed is because doing that will ensure a full jewish state without any arab minority that will slowly eat away at it, thus ruining the arab dream of full Palestine.
19. #10 why do ALL of you arabs don't get it?
(12.09.10)
annexation annexation annexation no one leaves home. home stays where it is, just under different ruling. don't play dumb, you know exactly what it means.
20. #7: I agree with you
Israeli 2   (12.10.10)
But there is no need to lecture this to Jews in Israel or anywhere in the world since they are the most loved people and most Torah obedient (relatively 0f course).
21. where was the promised land?
observer   (12.10.10)
The discoveries made by the new archeology, during the 1980s, discredited a great exodus in the 13th century BC. Moses could not have led the Hebrews out of Egypt into the Promised Land, for the good reason that the latter was Egyptian territory at the time. And there is no trace of either a slave revolt against the pharaonic empire or of a sudden conquest of Canaan by outsiders.
22. Ihave news for you. The Arabs want to stay in Israel to
Harry Wright ,   UK   (12.10.10)
give you folks thunder. They want a presence on both sides of the border - on the Arab side and the Israeli side. But they only want Arabs on the Arab side - ethnic cleansing. Don't even feel smug and talk about a better life in Israel. That is not in the equation and it is pure vanity. Let them get a better life on the Arab side. That is where they belong - among their Arab brethren.
23. Observer#21 Where were the Pals?
Mickey ,   Sydney Australia   (12.10.10)
Where were the Palestinians. Nowhere! A nation first created By Arafat in the 1960's. They never in all of history were mentioned as a nation. In 1967 the area known as the West Bank was part of Jordan. Whereas archeology has shown Jewish presents in Israel for thousands of years.
24. you call this apartheid, the arabs want to stay
izzie irgun ,   zion   (12.10.10)
someone explain this to me .. israel is constantly condemed for being an aparthied state that abuses its arab population who are treated like second class citizens. Now we get this poll and it turns out that the israeli arabs are so oppressed they are fighting to stay in the country and not join their palestinian brothers in their new homeland. They wouldn't even have to move, we give them, the land and their houses all to the PA. They only thing they will need is a new drivers liscense. But no they want to stay. So tell me, how bad can it be for them in Israel .. this exposes the anti semtic hate that is passed off by liberals as protecting palestinians ... .. obviously these palestinians don't; need it.
25. have their cake ,and eat it too.........
oz   (12.10.10)
israeli arab have the hihest standard of living of any arabs living in the m.e. as such , they are enjoying the fruits of democracy, modrenization, access to educaton and health care and political expression. but they hate with all their core bieng the only state the can provide all of these goodies to them. sorry, champs, time ot decide-- if you stay here you better benice and loyal. if you choose to leave, bon voyage! but you can't have it both ways ! no way !
26.  Don't want PA annexing you? Wave Israeli flag, not Hamas!
Dr. L. Brnd ,   San Diego, USA   (12.10.10)
Israeli Arabs have a funny way of showing their affinity to the State - waving Hamas flags (photo with article header) or PLO flags, but NEVER Israeli (the Druse are an exception). Umm-al Fahm for Ariel is a capital idea. As long as the residents go with the real estate.
27. #21 observer
David ,   America   (12.10.10)
Aren't you the brave one. You call HaShem a liar! Maybe brave but definitely stupid.
28. unless Israel wants the UN to ram an unwanted solution...
Galut ,   Selah   (12.10.10)
Israel must seize the opertunity now that the two state solution is viable ... a solution that makes use of those palistinians that want to live in peace in israel - give them a deal that they can't refuse...and for those that are still militant ... take them to the border of gaza ,jordan or syria.... and they can live amoung those with like mind...
29. No Choice
Ron ,   OC, USA   (12.10.10)
Why give the Arabs a choice (that they have already made) . Their place is not in Jewish israel and shoule be annexed by the PA or otherwise encouraged to leave. Build housing for them in the WB, Jordan and Gaza.
30. @#6&21: nobody says "Arab Jews" except for Shlomo Sand.
Bat Zion ,   Central Israel   (12.10.10)
Be careful where you shop for opinions, his are pure poison. Mizrachi Jews are not Arabs, but were displaced Jews who longed to return home to Zion for two millennia. And you are ignoring the fact that most Kibbutzim, which were and are mostly agricultural, consisted of Ashkenaz Jews. As for whether Moses existed or not, well, the same doubters point out that there is no archeological proof that Jesus lived or died either. But I'm glad you didn't doubt the burning bush story or I wouldn't know what to say But it is common among researchers to identify Hebrews with the Habiru, or Apiru, which were related to the Hyksos tribes, which invaded Egypt in the 17th century BC. As for the Exodus, well, Israel Finkelstein said that there is no proof it took place in the days of Ramesses II. What if it was another Pharoh? What if it was, say, his son Merneptah? And since when "no proof" is "proof it didn't exist"? If an Egyptian finds an antique, his land could be confiscated by the state authorities you know, so when Egyptian contractors find one, they bury it in concrete. So proof could still be buried underground - 70% of Egypt's antiques still are - or buried in concrete.
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