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B'Tselem: Police ignoring minors' rights
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Published: 13.12.10, 07:40
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1. this group lost credibility
Golan ,   Modiin   (12.13.10)
2. Israel police and violence
A Jerusalemite ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.13.10)
Not much doubt that the police do use unnecessary violence both with Arabs and Jews. Demonstrators that are not even breaking the law are hit and mistreated, so not surprising that so are stone throwers, even if they are minors. Not right, not good. The police need better training and their supervisors need more education! At the same time, these teenagers do have to learn to accept responsibility for their actions.
3. the more troubling issue what Bezelem
ghostq   (12.13.10)
were doing with minors, to give helping hand to situation that might harm minors, is basicaly perversive, did they get the minors parents consent to interview, if not they r breaking the law of soliciting minors, another thing is east jerusalem residences went inward inside Israel most of the arab residences in east jerusalem migrated only in the last two years to east jerusalem. and most of them support hamas, should I feel sorry to people who support terror org, pluse sending minors to harm others and get hurt, the answer is no.
4. He was scared? How do you think his targets felt?
Scott ,   USA   (12.13.10)
5. to #2 they participate in ilegal demonstraion
ghostq   (12.13.10)
you see in democrachy you can get permit to demonstrate, did those boys got lokal polic permit, the answer is no, in every country on earth you canot demonstrat or sell or preform on the street aka public area without city hall permits, so police was involved, the arrest was justifes, as for the amont of force, is one word against the other, the kids should get adult and or adults to be held in the investigation and those r companied by videos, if the kid just talk and got no avidences to back his claim than this article easy can be used as bezelem propeganda tool, especially when facts here do not exist, some journalism you got, when you report something that is unprovable.
6. B'Tselem and stone throwers
moshe ,   Tivon   (12.13.10)
B'Tselem are discredited as soon as it is revealed that these Arab teenagers arrested have thrown stones to defy the Israeli police ...to defy Israeli law. B'Tselem can stablish "legitimacy" : 1. IF it investigated and published the motivation for the stone throwing. 2. was the stone throwing was organized by or even paid for by interested parties ? ..,does B'Tselem care ? moshe
7. Let me see if I have this correctly ....
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.13.10)
The Israeli police are supposed to be all warm and fuzzy when dealing with Arab juvenile delinquents who hurl stones at innocent people using slings (which enhances the velocity with which these stones find their targets) and who throw boulders and cement blocks on the windshields of moving cars. These are murderous thugs, not innocent babes in the wood. If you commit an adult crime, be prepared to be treated like an adult. Stones can -- and have -- killed. So these criminals are taken from their beds in the middle of the night? Oh, boo hoo. Is there a law which dictates the time of day that a criminal can be apprehended and taken into custody? I don't think so. In the course of being apprehended, one of these criminals suffered a bloody lip. How dreadful! He should have thought about the consequences before engaging in an illegal and dangerous activity. But that's the ersatz "Palestinians" for you. A complete failure to acknowledge that actions do have consequences, and bad actions have bad consequences. But it's never their fault, is it?
8. Good work
Carl   (12.13.10)
I'm glad to see the police are on the job. The parents of these little attempted murderers should also be arrested.
9. I wonder how would Betselem solve the problem
Eli ,   Raanana   (12.13.10)
They'd probably deliver steel balls instead of stones for the kids to throw.
10. B'Tselem
Ricardo Macher ,   Karnei Shomron IL   (12.13.10)
I like and respect democracy but I cannot swallow TRAITORS! This organization should be banned and it's "leaders" prosecuted for high treason. Nobody has the right to attack my country and expect love and flowers! B'Tselem is in war with Israel and they should be treated like pure enemies no matter if Haaretz doesn't like it.
11. "I wet my pants" Not surprising coming from Arabs
(12.13.10)
12. #1 Since when do Arab organizations have credibility?
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13. Policing is a no-win job!
Yakov ,   Tel Aviv   (12.13.10)
Here is the situation: Whatever the police would do, someone will want it done differently. Too soft; then criticized as such. Too hard; then we are accused of brutality. What is the perfect balance, and how do you find it? The truth is it doesn't exist. The answer to this problem, and it won't solve all of it, is better community relations. Sure, naysayers exist on both sides, but maybe the best way to peace, or at least peaceful coexistence, is a grassroots effort at coexistence. This is where our leaders (Jew and Arab) need to intervene. Leaders who are capable of setting aside emotion, and are capable of dealing with difficult and painful problems, for the betterment of both sides.
14. Stone throwing minors - a new world order?
Israel   (12.13.10)
If they are old enough to throw stones and make trouble, they are old enough to take responsibility for their actions.
15. Police Brutality
SAM ,   NETANYA   (12.13.10)
Police Brutality is unacceptable not in any way condoning these kids behavior- but the way these prisoners were treated is part of a much larger problem that has infiltrated the police and affects all segments of Israeli society including jews and arabs .
16. Just seeing the word "B'Tselem" and I loose all sympathy.
rebecca ,   Modiin   (12.13.10)
If and when this organisation becomes fair and objective and honest, maybe then I'd feel a bit differently. But probably not as they have lost all respect.
17. Yea, police are police no matter where you go
Alexander ,   NJ USA/Israel   (12.13.10)
what else is new. I had a friend get assaulted one night so badly he was taken to the hospital, this was in Jerusalem. In the defense of the police he was drunk... Anyway we wouldn't have this problem if the Arab kids weren't throwing rocks at people... there wouldn't have a lot of problems if the Arabs didn't live in Israel too...
18. Shame on you all
Salma ,   Palestine   (12.13.10)
For a close period I was wondering to myself what makes a young person to blow himself up and end his life, I did not find sufficient justification till I read this story with its disgusting comments , it gave me the answer i need. SHAME OF YOU ALL. YOU ARE SCUM
19. salma. we are scum?!?!? we dont attack women and children
ari   (12.13.10)
with the intent to kill. come throw a stone at me and see what happens to you. there isnt even a word in any dictionary of any language that could define what a pathetic creature you are.
20. To: No. 18
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.13.10)
We are scum? Really? Why? Are we the ones who found humor and amusement in the dreadful fire in the Carmel that took forty-three lives? No, that was you. Are we the ones who made light of Israel heroically saving seafarers from a sinking ship? Sailors who would surely have drowned otherwise. No, that was you. And now you have the NERVE to tell us that WE should be ashamed of ourselves? Why? Because we think that children who are criminals should be treated as criminals? You are one twisted piece of work.
21. Salma is correct!
Ali ,   Scotland   (12.13.10)
No country treats children like this apart from Israel(and maybe some 3rd world countrys).There are loads of things you can tell about a country by the way it treats kids.
22. #9: No, B'Tsalem Has None
emanon ,   USA   (12.13.10)
23. #18
(12.13.10)
funny you should call the israelis scum or the talkbackers scum here. weren't you, THE PALESTINIANS AND ARABS WHO DANCED ON THE STREET CELEBRATING THE DEATH OF 3,000 INNOCENT AMERICAN FTHERS, MOTHERS, FAMILY MEMEBERS, YOUNG ADULTS, HANDING CANDIES ON THE STREETS OF EVERY ARAB CORNER. WE SAW YOU ALL ON YOU TUBE!!!! YOU WERE IN FACT LEADING THE GAY PROCESSION, SALMA. and you dare talk about scum????
24. #21, To Ali
Ted ,   UK   (12.13.10)
Really? how do you think the police in Scotland will treat juveniles, if for example they will throw building blocks/stones at passing cars on the M8 or during demonstration? will distibute sweets to them? you are pathetic...
25. BBC today reported that "children were arrested in middle of
rachel ,   usa   (12.13.10)
the night ....
26. Ted
Ali ,   Scotland   (12.13.10)
I can tell you scottish police do not use torture.A child in scotland can only be interviewed in the presence of a guardian or parent.What would you know about scottish law ? Ted.You're not scottish? eh
27. To: No. 21
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.13.10)
How do YOU think children who are criminal scum should be treated? Do tell us.
28. "I wet my pants" How many teen boys do you know who will ad
rachel ,   usa   (12.13.10)
admit that . This is all rehearsed speech for the media . More Pallywood. and it worked since the BBC picked it up this morning .
29. Ali
Ted ,   UK   (12.13.10)
Have you read the article? Here is a quote: "Most of the parents are present during their children's interrogation, but in some cases parents choose not to be present," according to Jerusalem Police. Secondly, when it comes to police behaviour, I've witenessed in Glasgow, in Argyle street (at least twice...) police arrest of yungsters who behaved badly, to put it mildly. Well, their faces were pressed aggresively to the pavement, and they were beaten...in rough situations it is very diificult for police officers to be nice and polite, no matter where in the world it happens... at least in democratic societies the pres is free to report on anything. How many reports have got from Paletinians authoities, or for that matter from any arab country about abuses commited by their own police/secirity forces?
30. #29 Ali & muslim world abuse
steven ,   memphis   (12.13.10)
You are correct Ali, there is no reporting of abuse from the Muslim world including your brothers Hamas in Gaza becasue they ALL are tyrants and suppress that information. Are you truly that naive or a narcissistic anarchist? BH" for the Yids.
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