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'Harsh and fateful war' against infiltrators
Yoav Zitun
Published: 17.12.10, 08:29
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1. If they clean your streets, they can be your neighbours
Russel ,   TLV   (12.17.10)
Its that simple. Anything else is racist.
2. WE SUPPORT OUR PEOPLE AND OUR RABBIS. AFRICANS GO HOME !
(12.17.10)
THEY MAKE TROUBLE ISRAEL AS THEY MAKE TROUBLE IN EUROPE
3. The tough reality of third world regimes
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (12.17.10)
Many western countries have been able to absorb the tens of millions of innocent people fleeing tyranny in their homelands. Remember that Muslims in America are almost all there because they escaped the evil regimes they were living under. This means every single country in the middle east and north africa (except Israel, strangely enough). The UN is, of course, powerless to do anything. The western world prefers to take the natural resources from these countries and sell them goods and arms. It's not just an Israeli problem - it's a global problem. Islamic countries couldn't give a damn about the war in Sudan and the human rights debacle in Darfur. Just like they don't give a damn about the Palestinians except to exploit them for political gain. I feel badly for these refugees, who for the most part come here because they know that Israel is a safe haven.
4. First Orbach and others have to change their mindset
Marcella   (12.17.10)
MK Uri Orbach says: "Stop saying that the infiltrators are thieves or criminals." Unless citizens and authorities are made fully aware of the degree of crime caused by infiltrators - including the brutal murder of 68 year old Mrs. Esther Galili - not much will be accomplished. Unless you expose the disruptive social effects and criminality resulting from this invasion, you will be unfairly characterized as "racists" and the media will show pictures of harmless-looking Africans, "victims" of persecution in their homelands and of discrimination by the Jews. And please get the UNHCR involved. The UN can house them and relocate them. The migration problem will not go away. You need an effective legal procedure to deal with them.
5. #2 Ethiopia is in Africa... the Lemba are Africans
Russel ,   TLV   (12.17.10)
6. #1 But I don't want them to clear our streets
Ze'ev ,   Lod   (12.17.10)
That simple
7. Are the refugees?
tejas ,   India   (12.17.10)
"Coreen Galili whose mother was beaten to death by a Sudanese refugee near the Tel Aviv central bus station." Why on the earth we call these people refugee.
8. If they were to be Jews it
John ,   Accra,Ghana   (12.17.10)
would have been cool.Since they are muslims kick them out.We all know muslims hates Jews a lot.They run from their islamic wicked regime and come to a democratic regime to beat aged people to death.Tell UN to take care of them.What about their muslims brothers country?.They can go there.
9. Throw the bums out!
Ken Quinn ,   Amsterdam   (12.17.10)
Worthwhile immigrants come in through the front door not the back door. You have to recognize that the infiltration phenomenon is a purposed and determined attack on your state by the "diversity" schmoozers.
10. any alternative method?
observer   (12.17.10)
most refugees cant get any without infiltration. So, call it refugees' method, Habibi
11. since when alyahuud become a West .
Amir Hirsh Mohammed. ,   Somalia Berbera   (12.17.10)
This people are nuts&wannabes hadn't been USA bumping billion dollars every year alyahuudi.you would be worst than those whom you called 3world period.
12. #1 : we've offered them teaching jobs at TAU..
tom ,   tel aviv   (12.17.10)
(Tel Aviv University) but they've refused..!!
13. #4, Marcella. Unless infiltrators don't invade
tanya ,   tel aviv, israel   (12.17.10)
Northen Tel Aviv, Ramat Aviv nothing will change. You do not expect from Mr. Orbach, who was a host of israeli main stream media for years(army radio), to be politically Incorrect and to bring any change.
14. Political correctness ,a noose around Israel's neck
Marcel ,   Florida   (12.17.10)
Even Egypt won't take in their neighbors. Afraid to call the illegal immigrants what they are ,lawbreakers and criminal is more of the same leftist suicidal insanity that has crippled,and ENDANGERED Israel. Throw the godless left out with the illegal criminals.
15. #4 MARCELLA
Sophie ,   Tel-Aviv, Israel   (12.17.10)
Hello, it strikes me that you would spread such ignorance about this sensitive phenomenon in Israel. I am sorry, but you do not have an idea of how the real situation is on the field. You think the UNHCR is not involved? They are indeed involved and trying to make sense into this all. The Israeli government has now decided to take over from the UNHCR, and taking care of (well, pretending to anyways) the Refugee Staus Determination program for thie African community in Israe. The problem is that they are not doing their job with seriousness. They arenot making any decisions, which only makes the situation worse. AND can everyone on this article forum stop saying that AFRICANS ARE CRIMINALS AND THIEVES? Did you all know that in fact, it is quite the opposite? Whether you like it of not, the Africans in Israel have a lowr crime rate than the rest of the population. Don't believe me? Look here: http://www.knesset.gov.il/mmm/data/pdf/m02625.pdf Oh and lastly, you do not think it is your country's reaponsibility to absorb Africans?! Well, why don't you complain about your nation having weapon deals in several African countries (uganda, Congo, Ivory Coast, Central African Republic, etc.) ?? Did you know that those Israeli weapons are the very ones used in the armed conflicts pushing some of the Africans here to leave their homeland and seek refuge? This is non sense and Israel should stop doing that. And lastly: let's be honest: the South Tel-Aviv neighbourhood host crimes that have been going on for decades now, even long before any Black person went to settle there. Prostitution, drugs, violence, poverty.... none of that was there, before the Africans came? Come on.
16. I am sorry...
Sophie ,   Tel-Aviv, Israel   (12.17.10)
... but you seem to not have any slight idea of how the real situation is on the field. You think the UNHCR is not involved? They are indeed involved and trying to make sense into this all. The Israeli government has now decided to take over from the UNHCR, and taking care of (well, pretending to anyways) the Refugee Staus Determination program for thie African community in Israe. The problem is that they are not doing their job with seriousness. They arenot making any decisions, which only makes the situation worse. The UNHCR does not relocate and house them, that is a very naive thing to say, I am afraid. Did you Hello, it strikes me that you would spread such ignorance about this sensitive phenomenon in Israel. I am sorry, but you do not have an idea of how the real situation is on the field. You think the UNHCR is not involved? They are indeed involved and trying to make sense into this all. The Israeli government has now decided to take over from the UNHCR, and taking care of (well, pretending to anyways) the Refugee Staus Determination program for thie African community in Israe. The problem is that they are not doing their job with seriousness. They arenot making any decisions, which only makes the situation worse. You honestly think AFRICANS ARE CRIMINALS AND THIEVES?? Did you know that in fact, it is quite the opposite? Whether you like it of not, the Africans in Israel have a LOWER crime rate than the rest of the population. Don't believe me? Look here: http://www.knesset.gov.il/mmm/data/pdf/m02625.pdf Marcella, South Tel-Aviv neighbourhood host crimes that have been going on for decades now, even long before any Black person went to settle there. Prostitution, drugs, violence, poverty.... none of that was there, before the Africans came? Come on.
17. Tom:
Sophie ,   Tel-Aviv   (12.17.10)
Shalom Tom, Where and when were Africans offered serious teaching jobs from Tel-Aviv university? I need more details to believe you, I am sorry. I think that would be marvellous, if they would be allowed to teach (many of them indeed have PhD and MAs degrees in various fields), but I doubt the government would allow that. they don't even grant them work permits.... And if you are really looking for Africans who will accept to teach at TAU, please talk to me and I will arrange that for you in a second. I know many Africans who are ready to teach anytime! Shabbat shalom.
18. #15, 16 ,17
tejas ,   India   (12.17.10)
Yet another politically correct moron. So, who do you think is responcible for the murder of Esther Galili? Racist jews? Do you have any idea what refugees are doing in Europe. If you don't have any idea about it then you are the one who is ignorent here. How many victims do you want to assert humanity, so that your flag of humanity and multiculturalism will fly high.
19. MK Uri Orbach they are criminals
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (12.17.10)
Entering somebody's country illegally makes one a criminal. So yes they are criminals. Time for the government to do their jobs for once! Send these illegals back to their own countries.
20. Sophie! So you suggest that people from
tanya ,   tel aviv israel   (12.17.10)
Southern Tel Aviv are just imagine or lie, there is no increase in crime, drugs, .etc. You know what, dear Sophie, I do not beleive you, sorry. I think that you see in those poor Africans a potential electorate, they are your last hope.
21. And BTW, dear Sophie, why you trust
tanya ,   tel aviv israel   (12.17.10)
government statistics, if you do not trust our government?
22. #18, #19, #20, #21
Sophie ,   Tel-Aviv, Israel   (12.17.10)
Shalom rav, TEJAS: I am not sure which part of the issue of refugees in Europe you are talking about. Thank you for calling me a moron. Did I call you a right-wing moron, just because I disagree with your opinions? you are talking about "victims", but which "victims" are you exactly talking about, here? I do not get you, sorry. I, in now way, approved of the murder of Esther Galili, OK? I do think what happened to her is absolutely horrible, no one can deny that. I am just saying that it is not like there have been MANY murders caused by Africans, at least no more than those committed by Israelis. That is not being ignorant; it is just the facts, that's all. GEE: OK, you have a point (I guess), but what about our own Jewish history that had many people calling us criminals as well, and being intolerant towards us? Did you know that "sending these illegals back to their own countries" is most likely a very harmful thing to do, or do you just not care about that? What about our grandparents, then? What if people would have told those who escape the Nazis "well, let's just send them back to where they came from?" TANYA: That is fine, you may wish to believe in whatever you want, "dear" Tanya. I did not deny the high crime rate in the South of Tel-Aviv!! No one denies that. I just want you to know that myself, for instance, as a woman, I am personally more afraid of locals/Israelis encouraging prostitution and driving in their cars slowly saying to girls "you want to come in?" (disgusting!), than the African migrants. When crimes committed by Africans, they are more noticeable because they are a visual minority that has no status here. The local population is watching them and "ready" for them to make crimes. As opposed to the rest of the population, which we do not look at. Did you hear about the killing that happened in a bar in Tel-Aviv last night? Perhaps not, the attention is not on those crimes, even though that guy killed also had a mother, brothers and friends.... The fact that in psychology, fear come from something unknown. For most Israelis, the "Africans" are unfamiliar to them, so therefore they are scared. To respond to your question about my trust in the report I shared with you. Well, it is because it was done by an external body from the government, a scientific independent body. And lastly, Tanya, the State of Israel is indirectly pushing Africans towards crime. Yes. How? By not respecting them, by not granting work permits to any of them, by putting them in jails for no reason without explanation and definite exit date, by letting human rights infringements take place all the time, by not honouring its signature of the Geneva Conventions (which this nation actually shaped AND already agreed upon!!). I would like to hope that most people from Western countries would react differently and without violence, alcoholism and anger, if they also were facing such difficulties, but I think most humans would react similarly. .... Anyways, I see that people here do not seem to understand things the way I do. Most of you think I am crazy and “just a stupid leftist”. No one here knows me personally. In any case, it makes me very sad for the future of Israel that the mainstream attitude towards "difference" and non-Jewish individuals who have faced political discrimination, genocides, torture, etc…. is at this point in History. I think that one day, you might realize the harm you are causing. A land of refugees refusing to give a hand (or even be interested in the fate of refugees) to refugees. Sad.
23. Now that your verbal diarrhea is done, Sophie
Tahl ,   Ashdod   (12.17.10)
You are advised to go to the old bus station in Tel Aviv and pick up a few African infiltrators and put them in your home.
24. Sophie! I hope you read Hebrew. If so,
tanya ,   tel aviv israel   (12.17.10)
I suggest you read Yehuda Shlezinger, Israel Hayom, 26.11.2010. The name of the article is: "Ha Krav al ha Tikva". It's about how life changed for worth in Shhunat Ha Tikva (south TA).
25. To #10 Observer
John DeLancy ,   Alaska, USA   (12.17.10)
Your post is unclear. You say: "most refugees cant get any without infiltration. So, call it refugees' method, Habibi" Most can't get any WHAT without violating Israeli law by sneaking into Israel illegally?
26. Reaction #23 and #24
Sophie ,   Tel-Aviv   (12.17.10)
TAHL: Thanks, that is precisely what I normally do. I am in the South of Tel-Aviv all the time. What about you??!! ;-/ TANYA: I appreciate your polite tone, thank you. I will have a look at the article you suggested. I am always open to other opinions, so thank you. in any case, I wish you success for your protest in a few days. I am curious to see if the local population will support your ideas.
27. tejas,india
alemino ,   asmara eritrea   (12.22.10)
yes defnitly shure they r refugees pls haw can u say this ?????????? this person have done the crime by his own ego and he is an individaul person haw can u blaim the whole darfur peapl r not refugees ? me by my part i cant blaim the whole israel peopl by an individaul action pls get a way of imotionality.
28. tanya telaviv
alemino ,   asmara eritrea   (12.22.10)
tanya sis/bro have u ever talk with this africans to exchane experience pls ? pls contacet them and know haw terible life they had and have stil now .they will tel u what kind of political idiology is there in their country and why they fled out from thier country. what kind of calture they had and have yet .let me tel u one thing u remember the days in 1940s haw jewish peapl sufered by the holocost .it was an action taken by hitler the rude man .i am sure no body feels relief about that harasment .but i whould like to remined u that todays action is tomorrows histry .so open yr mind show yr himanity and paciens up on this peaple and remember yr history thank uuuuuuuuuuuu
29. Gee,zikron yaakov
alemino ,   asmara eritrea   (12.22.10)
Gee , zkron yakov bro/sis pls the way u wrote is emotional .could u say jewish migrants to europe were criminals or infiltrators? do u know the reason why they came to israel? have u ever talk with any of this refugees ? try to talk close with them and be reasonabl plsssssssssssss
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