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Ashkenazi: Integrate haredim in army
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 19.12.10, 20:19
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1. tel aviv goof offs
sue ,   jerusalem   (12.19.10)
first integrate all the tel aviv recruits who get "ptur" status, then we'll talk.
2. If Haredim serve in IDF, Israel will collapse
IDF Rejector ,   Jerusalem   (12.19.10)
Haredim are G-d's guardians on earth; corrupt them by integrating them into the mainstream (eg. IDF service) and G-d will abandon Israel for another several thousand years. The Tower of Babel teaches us to have faith in G-d, without whom our hands are useless. One haredi praying is more powerful than a thousand soldiers armed with tanks and guns.
3. Seculars of Tel Aviv (Bubble Aviv), and Herziliya laughing
Yochanan ,   Israel   (12.19.10)
all the way to the draft dodging line. Bottom line: Every citizen of Israel must serve or not get citizenship[, benefits. Doesnt have to be army, national service will do. Hospitals, old age homes, laying down roads, its all helping Israel. Respect every populations needs and thats it. If they need halal, give them halal, if they need Mehadrin, give them mehadrin. Get the point? As for the wealthy draft dodgers, they too, must be accountable. This sint elizabethean england where the dukes and earls get special status and theirt own laws- same for bubble aviv and herzeliya.
4. :: Oh yeah great idea!
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (12.19.10)
Sure why not incorporate religious zealots into the Israeli army and give them guns?! Heck what is the worst that can happen? That they become more militant and undermine secular Israel? At best the Haredim should be given army jobs which involve no more than sewing buttons or pealing potatoes.
5. No exemptions for haredis, Arabs, and Ramat Avivniks
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (12.19.10)
Enough of the double and triple standards in this country. It's time to put an end to the stupidity and inequality in this country. Everybody must serve. No exemptions for fictitious Torah scholars, no exemptions for the rich or lazy or pseudo-conscientious, or Arabs, or anybody else. Only exemptions for those who truly can't do any type of national service. The haredis have the option of moving to Boro Park if they don't like it. Enough of Jews spitting on other Jews and claiming that they pull more than their own weight. Study your G-d. Serve your country. Earn a living. All three can be done by all citizens.
6. as a charadi
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (12.19.10)
It is great that more and more charadim are going into the army. My sons have served and now are in the work force. They support their families with dignity and learn Torah. In serving the IDF benifits in two ways, they are getting highly intelligent boys and the army is slowly becoming becoming of a Jewish state. The IDF needs these boys and these boys have much to contrubute. They are not morally corrupt like the seculars from Tel Aviv who care little about Jewish values and after the army service they leave the country. Soon the charadim will make a substantial impact on this little country and it will be for the good. A morally sound country is a strong country and a morally degenerate country in like the European and USA. We will be victorious and lead the Israel state to greater Jewish values and identity.
7. INTEGRATE THEM! That will help them integrate into Israeli
Omri ,   Israel   (12.19.10)
life after the army service and rise their working percentage. Think about the economic and social potential improvements!
8. encourage them to do civilian national service
zionist forever   (12.19.10)
It is a fact that whilst some haredim will and do join the IDF there are plenty of others who will not so lets find civilian sector national service. They could become reserve fire fighters. They could help out Home Front delivering gas masks and in wartime be responsible for jobs like directing people to public shelters and giving out advice to peope on wht they need to do. Half the bomb shelters in this country are unfit for use and just used by the municipality as store rooms & neglected. The Haredi could renovate these places. There are plenty of other non military jobs they could be trained to do. When the clock off then they go back to their family &Torah studies so they don't have to live the military life they don't want' Also you get them doing jobs in civilian life rather than military they learn they can still study Torah and have a job and they will realise there are actually plenty of jobs out there that they are capable of doing.
9. Good for you #6!
Yochanan ,   Israel   (12.19.10)
Am Yisrael Chai!
10. Give it a chanse! Many people are so brain washed
tanya ,   tel aviv israel   (12.20.10)
they consider haredim our worst enemy.
11. He has the right idea
D.M.   (12.20.10)
The fat leeches should contribute to society like decent people or get the hell out of our country.
12. I suspect there are some who will not be happy about this
Haredi who works ,   Dearborn, MI, USA   (12.20.10)
Of course haredim should be integrated into the IDF and perform their duty like all other citizens! However I suspect that some people do not want this to happen, as it will take away one of their favorite excuses for hating this entire community. BTW my son is a Nahal Haredi veteran.
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