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Firefighters upset; 'haredim matter more'
Ilana Curiel
Published: 23.12.10, 00:31
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1. ISRAEL IS DOOMED
LAWRENCE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (12.23.10)
Ahmadinejad does not need to fire a shot .The israeli government / mafia have ruined this beautiful country with their being blackmailed by so -called religious parties and their refusal to deal with pressing issues ,such as the illegal immigration .NO FUTURE HERE.
2. Yes it is
A Jerusalemite ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.23.10)
Yes, it is a disgrace but sadly nothing more nor less than is to be expected from Netanyahu and Yishai.
3. A shameful disgrace!
Naor ,   USA   (12.23.10)
It is an utter disgrace to have to watch these Israeli firefighters, who are true heroes, beg and fight for the proper funding they need and deserve. Instead of investing this money where it should be, yet again it will be squandered on the parasites of Israeli society. Israel will never truly be safe until the small but strong and corrupt religious leaders are put in their place.
4. LET THE PARASITE HAREDIM FIGHT THE NEXT FIRE!
stude ham   (12.23.10)
after all, they're the ones stealing all that money from israel's security needs. don't we all just love the shasniks? from racism to tax monies theft... where elese but in israel can these con artists possibly get away with it?
5. Time to protest outside Rav Ovadia's house
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (12.23.10)
Enough of the fraud and bribery we are forced to pay with our hard earned tax money. Shas says that all Jews are equal, but some are more equal than others.
6. Dear firefighters
Sagi   (12.23.10)
Have no fear "God" is here. The fires will be fought with leather straps and funny hats and not a beard shall be singed.
7. You miss the point
Yakov ,   Tel Aviv   (12.23.10)
In accepting the money, the Haredi community have promised to pray for no fires. Therefore, we don't need any firefighting equipment any longer! Additionally, they also will pray for higher wages and lower taxes. I understand that if you ask them nicely, they will pray away parking tickets, baldness, and bad breath. Maybe they can make me handsome, tall and wealthy too!
8. Reason & Solution both basic
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (12.23.10)
Ultras deliver votes. Politicians submit to those who keep them in power. Everyone else is fragmented and self-defeating (Moderate Orthodox beset by secular left liberals, atheists, etc.). It won't change until this fragmented majority, trying to go countless contradictory directions, learns to support a Judaic Israel--the Moderate Orthodox middle--with their vote. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer & Orthodox Jew: Teimani, Baladi, Dor Dai Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming all who choose to keep Torah (When questions to me go unanswered, ynet has refused to post it. Ck our Web Café at www.netzarim.co.il)
9. Hyperbole pyrotechnics
Ilan ,   Ariel   (12.23.10)
There is a problem in the fire system, but it isn't necessarily one of budget. Fire fighters earn an average monthly salary of 16,000 NIS a month. Not bad for a job that requires no more than a high school education. This is a time to reform the system and to make sure that the money is invested into a system that can do the job. BTW, blaming the hareidim is simply trying to make money from hardship.
10. Actually no
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (12.23.10)
With all due respect to the firefighters who fought the Carmel fire, everyone knows that the existing firefighting service is politicized and inefficient. Instead of throwing money at the same service, a new service must be established to efficiently combat the fires that the Arab terrorists will set during the next war. YNet should publish the excellent plan outlined by senior journalist Amnon Lord.
11. To #10: Yes, everything is politicized!
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (12.23.10)
Politics is one thing but there is nothing political about the deaths of 44 people due to negligence! The Prime Minister and his "poodle" Steinitz are doing everything in their power to whitewash this disaster and unless the people of this country get off their butts and demand a State Inquiry the matter will be forgotten is a little while. Netanyahu has sold his sole to Shas and if matters are not sorted out we may ask what will happen if the country is hit by an earthquake or attacked on a number fronts using missiles that we know Hamas and Hezbollah have!
12. everybody is entitled to share of the budget
zionist forever   (12.23.10)
Everybody is entitled to their share of the money pot including the haredi. Firefighters, defense, religion, teachers, hospitals every single group always feels they didn't get enough. As the seculars don't go to yeshiva they have no appreciation of them and see no reason why their existence should be financed ( these places would not have the money to survive without state funding ) True the fire fighters should have been given extra money and if it should have come from taking a little bit from all ministries not just saying nothing to the yeshivot. Also Israels political system is based on coalitions. There are currently 12 parties in the Knesset, at least twice that number stood for election and all of those parties except for Likud, Kadima & Labor are single issue parties who seek election for the sole purpose of joining coalitions and promotion of their cause is the price. The religious parties are not the only single issue parties in it for themselves. Yisrael Beitanu & National Union are the other single issue parties in the cabinet who are there to buy support for their pet cause. Until we change the system to one where we have maybe 3-4 parties major parties where winner takes all so we can end coalition and single issue government then things will carry on the same as usual doesn't matter if its Likud, Kadima or Labor running the show. If we got rid of the religious parties some other single issue parties would fill their shoes and demand money. Its not just the haredi its the system as a whole.
13. Israel is delusional
(12.23.10)
What value have haredim for this country? What are they useful for? They only create rift among Jews and contribute nothing to the country other than draining resources for themselves and their no-religion. Besides,they are mentaly sick .They are people living in the shtetl where there is no shtetl anymore. Cut the haredi funds.End yeshivot system ,unless yeshivot adapt to the practice and reality of all Israelis making that a meaninful stuff for all, and no more a stuff to feed a disgusting powerful destructive mafia.
14. christinianity is a farse
(12.23.10)
christianity is a farse based in a certain pharisee rabbi. rabbis' system is a farse, as christianity is.They are the same. Rabbis are a farse.They don't speak about the true love of God-they speak about money and they cheat in the name of God. Christianity and rabbis are all the same farse and should come to an end. End falsehood now!Falsehood in the name of God dooms all of us to big disasters !
15. #11 disagree
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (12.23.10)
What do Netanyahu, Ishai or Steinitz have to do with any alleged negligence that lead to the deaths? There were only two ways to prevent the deaths: close the road they drove on (a police decision because the firefighters asked to close it) or to send UAVs to give a real picture of the fire. If you want to blame a politician, why didn't Barak order the UAVs? And as for Shas: Shas is a Leftist party that supported Oslo and the ethnic cleansing of Gush Katif; Thanks to Shimon Peres' "stinking maneuverl", Shas has been in power with all Leftist governments since 1991: Rabin, Peres, Barak, Sharon and Olmert.
16. 13 - were you at the nuremberg rally?
zionist forever   (12.23.10)
All need to do is start calling Israelis Germans and haredi Jews and you could imagine it all coming straight out the mouth of Adolf himself. what value are jews for this country? What are they useful for? They only create a rift amongst Germans and contribute nothing to the country other than draining resources for themselves and their no- religion Besides they are mentally sick. They are people living in a shtetl where there is no shtetl anymore Cut the funds to the jews unless the jews adapt to the practise and reality of all Germans making meaningful stuff for all, and mo more stuff to feed a disgusting powerful destructive mafia,
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