Few years ago I meet some very good looking arab guy in disco and I really fall in love with him.I am also very nice looking girl with long legs,blonde,nice figure,boobs,and I was really looking forward for this guy to ask me for a dance.Suddenly,out of the blue a waitress came to me and told me that this guy want to dance with me,and I was deloighted and said yes. At the begining he was nothing but the best gentleman in the world. At later stage,we lived together for few months,and this is the start of problems,he use to hit me abusing me,my face was bruised with multi color,and I was very lucky to run away from him, and I do not live in the same town like him. I would strongly advice girls not top get involved with these people.

Yoav, since Jewish identity is given through by the mother, even in the case she's a complete atheist and hates religion, being Jewish is a race too and has nothing to do with religion. Declaring all Arab men as people who humiliate and abuse women, just because he's an Arab, as these rebbetzins are doing is pure racism, just as calling all Jewish men this-or-that would be racism or antisemitism. I would have said the same thing if the rebbetzin hadn't been Jewish, so your calling me a Nazi is really nonsensical and actually a distortion of the memory of the Shoah and a total lack of respect for the victims of the Shoah. Also Non-Jewish girl, I'm very sorry to hear about your story, but still it doesn't give you the right to declare all Arab men (or even all men) as more of the same.

I don't really see this as racist. People want women to be treated well. If not happening then what alternatively should be done about it instead?

Nice try Salma, a good story I remeber have read it in 1001 nights. Tell us please to wich "peaceful" organization belong you fiance to? Hamas,Islamic Jihad etc. ? P.S. okay this will create problems for me with my family BUT if it is true love I would fight tooth and nail for my man ; ) Really good staff for the next Paliwood movie

best go and live in Arabia your REAL HOMELAND and you will be free from these INFIDEL JEWS.

Date whomever you wish. Moses had a wife who was not Jewish. If your faith is true, they will convert to Judaism.

That jews are the "race" that word was used Hitler as he promesed to destroy worlwide the Jewish race. By jewish mother, if the bird a child becomes a jewish SOUL and SOUL my dear Dutchy has nothing to deal with color of skin or shape of nose. So as I called you Nazi was nothing wrong because the terminology was used and still in use by Neo-Nazis groups all over the world. But back on the track to the word "race". In Israel live Jews that comes from all continents in this planets after 2000 years of exile. Many of them have different colors of skin, different "noses", to summit they look not as a "race" all alike. This word was abused in biological sense by Nazis. The arab use the jewish girls like a cheap whore. You have no any idea what are talking about. Declaring Arabs men that abuse women, the people spiking out the facts. We declare this not because arabs have black hairs, speak arabic so on, we just call the facts by name. P.S. As I know at leat the many of you people vote far right? Do you ask youself sometimes, why you own people vote for Heert Wilders and not for some junkies Parties like green, or social democrats? Isnt it in your country where live the big majority of arabs from Marroco? You Holland turns step by step into Hollstan. Good luck with this.

Rami,have no objection his sister to marry a JEW.AH Ah another Arab lie

Dear Dutchy, Ok not all Arab men are the same,but lets say 99% or majority.

In fact , my fiance's heart belongs to me and no one else : ) Joav , why your heart is black and full of hate ?!

He deliberately falsified stories that supported his claim (of Jews refusing to violate Shabbat to save the lives of non-Jews), and twisted old Jewish texts and religious rulings to further support his claim. Shahak wanted to paint Judaism in a bad light, simple as that. Had he been honest, he would have brought up numerous sources on the sanctity of life (all life) in Judaism, and further, that many aspects of Halacha are specific to the mitzvot (obligations) that they refer to. On the one hand, I have a rule that demands that I break all other aspects of Halacha if it means saving the life of a member of my religious community, of a Jew. That is a matter of mutual assurance - we (I and the man whose life I would be attempting to save, in the previous context) are beholden to the same rules. He is *obliged*, based on a specific mitzva to preserve the lives of other Jews at nearly all costs, to do much like I would do to him. And yet from a Jewish point of view (and largely the gentiles' as well), gentiles are not in any way beholden in that same manner. That rule does not apply to them. They may save my life, but not because of a specific rule in a shared belief/legal system. The same applies to lending with interest, the basis of the old anti-Semitic caricature of middle-ages Europe. The rule on usury, in Judaism, applies between Jews. Jews do not expect gentiles to *not* lend them in interest, and reciprocate in kind. That's that for *that* rule. But there are other rules, which Shahak conveniently ignored. I am obliged to keep good relations with gentiles when I live among them. I am obliged to protect the rights and status of minorities living among me and mine. I am obliged to hold life sacred, in general. I am obliged to minimize the risk to my community and its reputation. Any of these and more demand that I put non-Jewish human life before my Shabbat.

Now ask all the other Arab women living in Nazareth if the same applies to them. You prefer to ignore reality, by all means, do so. As for love, marriage, and racism - religious separation isn't racism, and it's a decisive factor in marriage. It does not matter largely to those who aren't religious in the first place. To those who are, there are both the matter of their personal (and often contradicting) beliefs, the beliefs on the children, and so on. And that's just on their personal, individual levels. Individuals aren't everything, by the way. And love is not some free spirit, unbound from all the considerations of society. It's not just a matter of love and respect, it includes all matter of considerations. Perhaps they don't apply to you, but they definitely apply to many, many others.

then it's a different consideration. The problem is to argue that all people of a single ethnic group belong to the same ideological camp. This is not true, and I am obliged to protect the rights of those who live among us and don't work against us. When it comes to those who *do* want to subjugate us, or to take over land in a kind of "land recovery" path, that's where I'd say refusing to rent or sell is justified.

You neglected to mention if your fiance was a Jew, is he ? If so, which I doubt, what is your families reaction ? RSVP

Wow! What a long post, which said exactly nothing The question still remains, are Arab girls allowed to date Jews without being condemned by their family for doing it ? Jesus has nothing to do with it, since he was a Jew, not an Arab

When you marry someone of another faith, without them converting beforehand, the odds are that the marriage will fail Better than half of all marriages fail without adding an extre burden to the arrangement

Except among neo-nazis. Just Google "Israel Shahak" and his crap comes up at Stormfront, Davidduke and other nazi sites. The fact that you even think he is some kind of "expert in Talmud" leads me to believe your name is Erich not "Arik"

Because the Jews have o long history and long expirience of so called co existes with peacefully arabs people. We were almost 2000 years in exile, jews lived also in many arabs countries, so we have a long "cordial friendship" with you and if we hear how you talking about Peace, than my darling we start to shaking because we know what arabs understand und "peace". Here in Germany, but also in France, Holland, UK, in Scandinavic countries we hear day by day when you speak with arabs that Hitler was a good man and they really sorry the he (Hitler) do not finished his job. P.S. Why I have so much hate in my heart. Read how many massacre did the arabs on the jews long before the Israels reborn. At that time there was no "Zionism" movement. Does it stop murdering and persecution of our people? Do you know my darling this story were the chief Rav in Marroco were crucify in 16 century? Salma, was Israel reborn in 16 century or was the Rav also Zionist? Come on. And what about with jews of بني قريظة; بنو قريظة what was their faul? To be a jew! So my darling do not read hole the time you Q. but also some books about what have you "peacefully" have done to us, long before State of Zion was reborn.

Do they really think it is good to lie to the public when we all know that (despite Torahs prohibitions) converts regularly are abused and prevented from marrying anyone other than another convert? As Torah states "accused" is one who does this, yet what do they do? Teach to do? Do they think we believe them when they intentionally clog up and refuse conversions? Deny some converts actually converted so they can abuse them? An Arab stands a snowballs chance of of ever being let to convert, isn't that the Rabbinic truth? "You shall love the convert" is a law that not only has no false rabbi fence laws been built around, but is encourage by the likes of these, to be completely and utterly violated where converts are harassed, singled out, stalked, and more. Where illegal separate laws (violation of one law Torah rule) are used to oppress the free will and status of a convert. You got a lot of nerve stepping on those G-d states He loves and even more saying if you son were to marry one you would be ok with her if she converted. Well what about if your daughter married a Arab man who converted?" Never here about the men, do we? You know what I think? Just wondering if we need a Rabbic law that learning how to write letters should be reserved for the secular. ahahaha! Spiritual leaders my foot!

Judah, we christian are raised differently. Unlike jews and muslims, our religious promote tolerance and peace. Unlike Immams and Rabbis, our clergy do not incite against other religions. More over, Jesus was jew, we still believe in him.

Firstly,I have to send you my BEST WISHES FOR MERRY X'MAS AND HAPPY,HEALTHY NEW YEAR. Of course JESUS WAS BORN A JEW, I do not agree with you that our rabbis incites against any other religion.In fact it is the opposite.I will give you an example.On Saturday or Jewish Holidays,the Jews in Europe give the first blessing to the leaders/prime minister.Queen/King of states of the country they live.In UK the Queen get the first blessing and in wedding the Queen gets the FIRST TOAST.OUR RABBIS will not dare to incite in the Synagogues.Yes I agree with you 100% that Imam will incites hatred and incitements against Jews and Christian.Imam wants to change all the world into ISLAM

You said: " Echos of Ezra Chapter 9 &10 .... (End)" I read it - very appropriate! Well done!

You are correct that Judaism and the Jewish heritage are two separate things. But you are also wrong there at the same time. A case in point is Ruth, who was not one of the children of Israel but a convert. However, she was in the lineage of King David. So you see, someone who converts, who says like Ruth said, "your people will be my people and your G-D my G-D," is now part of the Jewish family, as are their children. And someone who was a Jew and who converts is no longer one, and children who are raised not to be Jews but to HATE Jews and a Jewish Israel, as has happened as a matter of course to the children of Jewish women who marry Muslim men, this is a tragedy that spans generations. You are also correct that anecdotal evidence cannot be taken as conclusive. But here too, you are also wrong at the same time. If everyone who has posted experiences has posted negative ones, then negative experiences become normative. To substantiate a claim that a Jewish woman marrying an Arab will still be able to raise her children as Jews, you would need to provide multiple examples, not as many as the negative ones, but enough to show that it's not an anomaly.

You are correct that Christianity teaches tolerance and respect. Biblically, a person who adopts a Jewish child or has a child with a Jewish spouse needs to leave the decision of a faith commitment up to that child. Unlike Islam, Christianity doesn't "count" if it is compelled. (YMMV - this is a hot topic among different Christian groups, but the above perspective is Biblical)

The truth. Never, because arab men have no confidence to compete with Jewish men. That's why they hide their women all the time. Things could be different if Arab girls could also meet Jewish men.

imagine if a letter were written by a bunch of priests warning Christians girls to not date Jewish men. Just imagine the outcry.

Josh, I know several converts of African, Russian, and Arab birth. In the case of the first of three, the country of birth is Congo rather than Ethiopia. He's accepted as a Jew among Jews in our synagogue. I expect you're not - but then again, you invented a form of Jewish law of your very own, and now apply it at will and expect others to accept it and you. Well, we don't. Tough.

Christianity can preach tolerance and it can preach intolerance. Sometimes it did so in the same breath. Jews and others died in the name of the Cross quite often, Rami, and just recently a prominent Christian Orthodox priest in Greece proclaimed that rich Jews plotted propped up the Nazis to force the Jews of Europe to come to Israel, back in the day. Yes. Tolerance. Again, Rami, you have your perfect reality, and we get to live in the real one.

it is a well known factiod that many many jewish men intermarry inthe usa to non jewish chicks. why do the schickas get them? because they think the men know how to make money. and so we lose men to gentile women and now the kids are not really jewish. it works both ways you see.

We're allowed to fight assimilation. This is not racism - we are struggling to conserve the Jewish identity in a very hostile world. If you wish to convert, fine, but these poor girls do not convert their husbands - on the contrary, they themselves are converted to Islam. I don't want to see any Jew being converted. PS For the sake of those who speak no Hebrew, "Bat Zion" means "daughter of Zion". It has nothing to do with flying mammals.