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Leader: German Jews mustn't just criticize
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Published: 03.01.11, 07:46
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1. i remember seeing that guy who had an Israeli flag in his
(01.03.11)
window during the operation cast lead in gaza, and how in germany they were screaming in the streets and howling at the moon over us jews in defending ourselves. that poor guy who had the flag in his window had a mass of people gather at his place and how he took it down. NA NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN THE DEUTSCHLAND IN HUNDREDS OF YEARS PEOPLE WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED????????
2. it was a majority-muslim demonstration...
eporue ,   europe   (01.03.11)
and the flag was put out of the window by the police, in sort of a panic-attack they got... this was much condemned. and the guy with the flag in the window was a german goyim.
3. # 2 i dont care who had the flag flying
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i dont care whether it was a goy or not...the fact still remains, germany is still a monster place to be for us jews no matter what. and it will continue to be so.
4. And will forgiving the past change the future?
David Turner ,   Richmond, USA   (01.03.11)
Yes, let the victim forgive and forget. If Dieter, a post-Holocaust survivor and born in Israel wishes, as a private citizen to believe his own words, to even express them as such, well that is his privilege. But for the leader of the Jewish community living in the land that initiated the Holocaust to express such views; for the person who represents to his people and the world to express those views in that land can only be explained as the result of sheer ignorance. German-Jewish leaders in the years preceding the Shoah expressed the same views. But they, at least, could not refer to history. Christendom’s Jewish Problem is rooted in the gospels, characterized “the inerrant word of God,” by believers. The gospels characterize Jews as “deicides,” for all generations: they are characterized as murdering Jesus, then demanding blame of themselves and all future generations (Matthew 27: 22-25). It takes little imagination to draw a line forward through 2000 years of persecution to the Holocaust. The argument that religious anti-Judaism went out of style with the Enlightenment transformation of the west to secular nation-states beggars the problem. Personal and/or social pathology are not “cured” by enlightenment. Today’s world did not arise brand new in the 17th century. The Jewish Problem that Germany set out to finally solve with the Holocaust clearly expresses this fact. Christendom’s Jewish Problem had already been around for nearly two millennia. After the war members of the Third Reich, standing before the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, complained that if they are being tried then so too should Martin Luther who, in his The Jews and their lies, 1543, instructed the princes to burn down the Jewish “churches,” schools and the houses of Jews; their holy books to be burned; that rabbis to be put to death. The real problem for Jews in the Diaspora (and for the state of the Jews) is that the culture stream inspiring the Jewish Problem is Christian theology based on the gospels. If Jews, then and forever, are characterized "deicides," blamed for the death of Jesus; if Jews are described as the "children of the Satan," as we are in a volume considered the “inerrant word of God,” by believers, then it stands to reason that Jews will always carry a "tinge" that, when social and economic conditions turn very bad in those societies, will target us as lightening rod to frustration, a tension reliever. That Dieter Grauman was born in Israel, is a “post-Holocaust” survivor, may speak volumes to how little we have learned, how much we have yet to suffer.
5. #4: many jews prefer to live in Germany over Israel
Rami of Nazareth ,   Israel   (01.03.11)
After the collaps of the former soviet union, many jews opted to go live in germany over living in the jewish state. This speaks volume on wether germany changed or not...
6. @1 German Reich dont exist anymore, is since 65y a democracy
Neo ,   EU   (01.03.11)
and 95% of the people living in this republic now never had something to do with the nazi time. According to a worldwide BBC poll germany actualy has the best reputation of all countries in the world. Maybe you should visit this country first before judge it! Things do change..
7. # 6 I would go there if my life depended on it
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my grandparents and gread grandparents left there why in the world would I want to go there? for more of the same? to grieve over the concentration camps for the losses, and maybe even why i am not married now b/c my bershert was not born since there would have been now 32 million of us had the holocaust had not happened? no thanks, and you keep on drinking the kool-aide coz you dont know what the hell is up.
8. leader german jews....to nr. 6.
sjoerd van der velde ,   hoorn-the netherland   (01.04.11)
i fully agree with you. you gave a good description of the situation and circumstances in present-day germany. shalom/shalaam. sjoerd van der velde-hoorn-the netherlands.
9. #5 Rami, this is not about Germany, but Christianity.
David Turner ,   Richmond, USA   (01.04.11)
German youth of today are not their parents and grandparents, do not have blood on their hands. Christian gospels and theology are the problem for the future survival of the Jews, not this or that national entity. Read my reply. Matthew condemns all Jews and forever. That is a curse I doubt any reasonable person should overlook, or rationalize away.
10. #4, David...You are right, the gospels
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (01.04.11)
themselves are EVIL...and the Germans have not really changed...they only pretend to have done so, at the best...
11. #1 Get your facts straight please
Lukas ,   Berlin, Germany   (01.12.11)
As it has been pointed out the story wasn't quite the way you're presenting it. The crowd in question indeed consisted only of Muslims and took place in a neighbourhood with a sizable Turkish and Lebanese minority. Removing the flag was a panic reaction to prevent imminent violence. This was later strongly criticised. But i assume you actually know all that. Twisting the truth never helps to win an argument or to gain the 'twister' any reputation. Nor does the usage of only capital letters. If you can't find any genuine stories to support your view you can't just make them up. We can't always help the way we feel. I'm well aware of that. And I won't blame you for your feelings concerning Germany. But if your only way of expressing these is to publish false stories - what does that say about you? I've lived in Germany my entire life and i've travelled extensively and got to know other countries. Despite the ranting of a certain weird Bavarian annotator on this forum - be assured that hardly anywhere is there as strong a sense of philo-semitism. And not just that: a great many young Germans are decidedly Pro-Israeli - despite the common media bias. This is about young Germans of course. The stories we sadly do get hear from time to time almost always involve Muslim immigrants - and them only. Often the dogma of political correctness prevents the papers from stating the 'cultural' background of the perpetrators at first - but I can hardly think of any case where it didn't eventually turn out that they were young Turks or Lebanese or Palestinians. That said there is an enormous renaissance of Jewish life - especially in Berlin: reaching from kosher bagel shops to rosh hashanah parties at gay nightclubs, from many Israelis chosing to live here to young German Jews self-confidently wearing a kippa on the street.
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