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The danger of Liebermanism
Dani Filc
Published: 12.01.11, 00:46
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1. dani filk, the danger to liebermanism.
sjoerd van der velde ,   hoorn-the netherland   (01.12.11)
i agree with the article, but liebermanism is not the only danger. zionism is also a danger in the middle east and islam(ism). avigdor lieberman has once said about himself that he is a revisionist zionist like ze"ev jabotinsky who began with that movement in the first half of the 20th century, which have inspired/influenced several political parties/government parties in zionist israel. eg. yjsrael beiteinu, likud etc.
2. This is a ridiculous excuse for journalism.
Chaim ,   Israel   (01.12.11)
This article is a ridiculous excuse for journalism. One would expect better from a high school essay. In the first place, there is no rational connection between the Arizona shooting and the American right. The shooter is reportedly a leftist pothead. Secondly, Lieberman is no extremist. He is a shrewd and effective leader. Even most of his opponents realize this. In the third place, Israelis have every right to know who funds the constant, disgusting activities of far left groups who are doing all they can to undermine Israel. It would be hard to find a truthful sentence in this loathesome article.
3. Arab Peace Strategy and the Fragmentation of Israeli Society
Critical observer   (01.12.11)
Abu Mazen…(and) Egyptian President Anwar Sadat….. claimed that the conflict with Israel by old methods and means is futile, and therefore, new approaches must be tried…. Before signing the Camp David Accord and after as well, Sadat repeated … that it was necessary to bring the Israelis down from their tanks to the ground and cause them a sense of security and peace, to allow their social maladies to appear and to prevent their unification in the face of an [external] danger. Sadat, "used to take pride in the appearance of the Peace Now movement - among whose leaders and members were some former senior officers in the Israeli army - because this movement paved the path to peace and at the same time, transferred into Israeli society all the domestic illnesses that nibbled on the body of Arab society. The truth is that the Peace Now phenomenon became significant in balancing the policy of the Israeli extreme right wing ….. Abu Mazen poses a question: 'What may better increase and escalate the conflicts and racial and religious contrasts in the Israeli society: a state of war or a state of peace?' …. We do not say that the [disintegration of Israeli society] is the Arab nuclear weapon [i.e. doomsday weapon]... All that is required from us is to bring the Israelis to the absolute conviction that we Arabs really want peace, because such conviction will deepen the dispute in Israeli society and bring the Israelis down from their tanks and out of their fortresses." This mission is not easy, because the Israeli right knows the truth and is aware that peace is the biggest enemy…. The Arabs, however, must give this phase a chance. They must convince the majority of Israelis that they… want a just peace based on what can be referred to as a historic settlement, on the basis of UN Security Council resolutions 242 and 338." "This does not mean that we should put our trust in an internal erosion that would eliminate Israel within a couple of years or even within half a century. ….We should not miss this moment the way we missed historic moments in the stage of armed operations and military conflict. http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/282.htm
4. Danger?
tejas ,   India   (01.12.11)
Do you mean leftist parties will not be able to get in power. Something is dangerous for leftists it doesn't mean that it is dangerous for all people of Israel.
5. Dani Filk
Jennie ,   Us/Israel   (01.12.11)
What the heck are you smoking, doctor ?
6. The reality.
Jules   (01.12.11)
The reality is that the "spring" (i.e. "peace takls", inevitably followed by "intifadas" and wars) - will be remembered by the people for many years to come. The author lives in his imaginary world - fine with him. But those Jews who had lived in the Eastern Europe (including practically all of the former Israeli leaders - surprise, surprise !) DO understand what "pogrom" means. What's most important: "pogrom" and "jihad" are ONE AND THE SAME PHENOMENON. The leftists are not going to fool anyone anymore. Never again.
7. How about the Loony Left?
J K ,   NYC, USA   (01.12.11)
What's that brought Israel? While extremism in any shape is no good, I'd rather take the ones that love the State of Israel than ones who want to chop it to bits and sell it down the river. You don't like the 'radical right'? Give everyone a better option. They tried it your way since Oslo and it hasn't worked...the right's message is enough. The lefts message? You didnt give enough. Sad.
8. Ah yes another extreme leftist
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (01.12.11)
Attempting to prevent freedom of speech. Leftist incitement caused 6 people to be murdered in Tucson this week, yet here we have yet another example of the extreme left doing it's best to prevent anybody for voicing an opinion they disagree with. Dr. Filk I have spent my entire defending this country and the US so that morons like you could say whatever comes into your feeble little minds. I have been stabbed, shot, and received enough pieces of metal in my body to set off metal detectors wherever I go. I have bled to protect your rights. I will be damned if you are going to take away my rights because you seem to think that you know better than I.
9. Danny Filk nonsense
David ,   USA/Israel/Egypt   (01.12.11)
Instead of blaming the Right and the majority of Israelis for Liebermanism . Maybe it is time that he , the so called elites and the hypocrite left realize that it is their conduct who is fueling hatred. Get off your high horse.
10. for such a smart man you arrive at such stupid ideas/conclus
ralph   (01.12.11)
11. Dr. Danny Filk?
Israeli 2   (01.12.11)
I LOVE physicians and I do respect them...especially Israeli trained physicians. They are smart. They are my colleagues. But I would like to kick them in the butt for being stupid leftists. What a pitty indeed.
12. you are a subversive
josh ,   tel aviv   (01.12.11)
the congresswoman was shot by a crazy left wing pothead. Why would you intentionally lie about that unless you had a subversive intent? Do you fear Lieberman because of what you claim, or are you in fact a traitor trying to deflect the truth from illuminating you for all to see?
13. So does radical Left incitement ...
someone ,   somewhere   (01.12.11)
14. One just holds their head in desperation
perfectmonkey   (01.12.11)
and do not really know where to start to deconstruct the the delusional world of this loser. One simply doesn't know where the lies start and where the bombastic arrogance ("WE are the democratic camp!" - as if Lieberman's party were not 1000 times more democratic not less by its transparence and popular support) ends! On top of it all, PHR-I has been a thoroughly discredited extremist group which formerly blamed the highest public medic in Israel with applying torture (sic!) which he furiously rejected from this depraved self-styled "human rights" org.! Is it a wonder that reasonable and sane people are laughing at his claims?!
15. A glimpse of realism
Pinhas Bayit ,   Bat Yam   (01.12.11)
After the deluge of right wing reactionary comments over many days this is refreshingly honest.
16.  Go On! Denounce him as a Lefty
Ussishkin ,   Tel Aviv Israel   (01.12.11)
The usual red-necks will materialise soon enough and label this man as a Lefty etc etc. The truth is painful, and so they'll ignore it and twist this into more national deceit - about how the NGOs are all anti-Zionoist and hate the IDF and how great it all is here these days and eveyuthing's fine, it's just those Lefties and all those foreigners who are the enemy - like the USA and the UK and France and all those S American states, all those freinds of the past that this ugly Israel has lost. We cannot survive alone as much as the red necks will try to claim we can. Help us save our nation. Hatzilu Et Medinateinu!
17. Dr.. Danny Falk
Julie ,   Israel   (01.12.11)
your "take" on things...the idiotic, insanity of the Left....... leads to thousand of Jews being killed and maimed, thousands of rockets continually invading our country, illegals and Arabs taking over areas of our country etc etc etc. It is the Left's total inability to see reality (or as some doctor's have diagnosed - it is a mental illness that the Left have).....that will lead to total ..destruction of Israel. LONG LIVE LEIBERMAN !!!!!
18. Physicians for Human rights
Michel ,   Jerusalem   (01.12.11)
receive money from Arab sources. As do Betselem and others..
19. I support Mr. Lieberman
Jarda ,   Czech Republic   (01.12.11)
He's the best example what is Israel about. Have you noticed that politicians, who had their mouth full of nation, steered their nations into disaster.
20. The only thing reckless is Dani Falk and
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (01.12.11)
his pitiful piece of propaganda. The Israeli public knows better, however, and is not buying it.
21. to 4 tejas
sara ,   jerusalem   (01.12.11)
first i like the sayin of martin luther about the silence of good people >>god say -- if we wanted to destroy a village we order the most powerfull people of it to be corrupted - so it is the first step of destruction of a coutry is the corrupted ruler - here the most powerfull means the one who thinks he has the best properties .. i think lieberman is thinking like this .. so it is not about who ruled it is about the corrupted ruler then the silence of others as corruption may be personal also silence may be personal .it is not about rulling it is about corruption and silence
22. Dani Filk, ssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh !
Salma ,   Palestine   (01.12.11)
Liberman is our BEST friend, it's gonna be a bright day when he "inshallah" become your next PM : )
23. Yet another Leftist talking
Lobo ,   USA   (01.12.11)
about "peace" and the IDF's "war crimes." Blah blah blah. Heard it a million times. Can't you lefties talk about something else? It's BORING!!
24. Revised TB
Marcella   (01.12.11)
This man writes: "Lieberman and his partners sanction the murder of human rights activists in Israel." He continues: "Should the targets of Lieberman’s incitement be harmed, he would not be able to shirk his responsibility." (................................................) He apparently has learned the US leftist media's lesson well. Just wait until a violent act is perpetrated by anyone - even a mentally deranged individual - and place the blame on those with whom he disagrees, even if they have no connection whatsoever with the perpetrator. This man does not even wait for such an event. He wants Israeli citizens and their government RESTRAINED RIGHT NOW - in the name of democracy and tolerance, of course - and not to dare to investigate the funding of subversive organizations operating in Israel. NOTICE the overt manipulation: In a few paragraphs he groups the rabbis' letter, a detention camp for "refugees", an inquiry into the funding of "human rights groups", and Minister Lieberman. And then he throws in the bloody Argentinian dictatorship, the murders of Yitzhak Rabin and Gabrielle Giffords. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This individual belongs to Physicians for Human Rights. According to NGO Watch, PHR provided first aid training to violent protestors at the security barrier near Bilin. PHR also co-sponsored an exhibit of children’s drawings a year after Cast Lead, called “Childhood Under Fire.” The drawings included images depicting Israel soldiers intentionally firing on civilians. PHR is being funded to a large degree by New Israel Fund, which specializes in funding organizations that subvert, delegitimize and demonize Israel.
25. #8 Gee: want to protect democracy?
Canadian Dude ,   Montreal   (01.12.11)
Well so do most of the "leftist enemy". Ever lost one of your comrades in combat before? Want their sacrifices to be protected for all of the forseeable future? Then don't be a thug, because there are far, far bigger and nastier thugs out there than you could ever hope to be. You need American and European support and trade to survive, you always have from day 1, don't be stupid.
26. what is the difference between Free speech and Incitement?
michael   (01.12.11)
When the left wants to forcibly evict Jews friom there homes that is free speech. When the right want s to defend itself againt this insane phenonena that is incitement. We have gotten to a point where society is unable to recognize any truth, except for the fact that the sun rises in the morning and sets at night. This lack of tolerance from BOTH Left and Right is the biggest Danger we face as a society. Yes LEFt too!!
27. Liebermanism
Albrecht Klein ,   Germany   (01.12.11)
This is correct. Surrendering to the hostile Arabs is a much safer option.
28. the writer apparently never read Ynet.
Golan ,   Modinn   (01.12.11)
"the foolish claims of Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, who accuses these groups of supporting terrorism." A few weeks ago a leftist feminist had an expose written about her work in the innocently named "doctors without borders" where she "condemned" terrorism before excusing it and supporting it. Israelis like Liberman knows how to read between the lines and he makes a good argument why these organizations need to be checked. Saying this Begin is right in his criticism that this is not the job of the knesset. Israel seems to think that every aspect of life should be under government jurisdiction including charity.
29. Bibi is to blame for keeping this putrid idiot in government
jonathan ,   London/ Israel   (01.12.11)
30. Israel and "democracy"
Moshe ,   Netanya   (01.12.11)
Israel was NEVER a democracy. In EU is one country little bit close to democracy, UK. The only democracy is US but Obama was chosen because he is black and no other reason. Israel is not even close to democracy. Large upper class (labor people and their children control all industries and media).
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