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Jew-hatred's other face
Moshe Dann
Published: 14.01.11, 00:45
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1. BDS
bill ,   tel aviv   (01.14.11)
MOSHE DANN AGAIN POINTS OUT THE MALEVOLENCE OF OUR SUPPOSED "PARTNER."FOR PEACE. When will our government and communications industry wake up from their delusions?
2. Israel's problem with "Palestinians" is existential.
Chaim ,   Israel   (01.14.11)
The author is absolutely correct. It's unfortunate that it still has to be repeated that Israel's problem with "Palestinians" is existential. Not territorial. Far from winning Israel support, embracing the monstrous Two State Final Solution encourages our enemies to work harder for our destruction. The Two State Final Solution is abominable in every respect and Israel must strongly and officially reject it.
3. Jewish Hatred, Give me a break
Leon ,   Ottawa, Canada   (01.14.11)
There are many decent Jews who support the BDS campaign because they have seen the abhorrent and cruel Israeli occupation first hand. Infering that Gaza is not a prison is ludicrous. What happens when fishermen try to make a living or when some farmers try to till their own land in Gaza? Was that 65 year old farmer shot dead a terrorist? What is the source of the exclusive, historical right that all Jewish people have to "Judea and Samaria"? The bible, well the bible also says that people should be put to death for working on the Sabbath. Using this reasoning, I should be able to go back to Africa and 'claim' my piece of land because human beings originated there.
4. what part of "end the occupation" don't you understand?
Jeff, Ex-Marine ,   San Diego, US   (01.14.11)
bigotry, ugly and intolerence - three words which aptly describe this article. Taking part in the BDS campaign should be encouraged. I for one am tired of Israel's promotion of the occupation as somehow humane. The Palestinians deserve a state. Get over it.
5. Chutzpah ,...
split ,   split   (01.14.11)
Spare us those crocodile tears and cut the (de-legitimization) crap, it's your conduct, stupid ,...
6. BDS
Michael ,   New York   (01.14.11)
So what is Israel doing about this? The silence is deafening.
7. Okay, here's my problem
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.14.11)
Yes, I know there are tons of people out there who despise Israel and -- by extension -- hate Jews. What I CANNOT understand is their hypocrisy. Hate Israel? Okay. Throw away your mobile phone. That's Israeli technology. Hate Israel? Okay. Refuse to have that CAT scan or that MRI that your physician keeps insisting you absolutely must have. They are both, after all, Israeli technology. Hate Israel? Okay. Refuse to have that chemotherapy protocol that just might save your life because, after all, odds are that it was developed in Israel. Hate Jews? Throw away all your blue jeans. Yes, that's another Jewish invention. Hate Jews? Do not, under any circumstances, allow your child to be innoculated against polio because both the Salk and the Sabin vaccines are the work product of -- gasp! -- Jews. Hate Jews? Throw out your lipstick. Sigh -- Max Factor, after all, inventor of the lipstick, was Jewish. Hate Jews? Well, tell your cardiologist who keeps insisting that only a pacemaker will save your life that you cannot, must not accept Jewish technology in your body (least of all your heart!). That's just the tip of the iceberg. I can go on. For days, in fact. Don't try my patience, and show us all your mettle. Decline to accept the benefits of modern life invented by Jews and decline to accept the life-saving discoveries and developments contributed by the Jewish people. If you don't -- well, that makes you a hypocrite and completely worthy of being ignored. If you do -- well -- where shall I send a contribution in lieu of flowers?
8. Summary of the argument
Canadian Dude ,   Montreal   (01.14.11)
Let's be bigots and destroy what little the Palestinians have left, in case they ever think of doing the same to us. If we beat them hard enough and torch enough of their homes, and we stop lesser humans from exposing our actions to the world, maybe they'll learn to like us and appreciate our precious beatdowns. Our glorious settlers should be able to swim like hooligans in pools of alcohol on every inch of the West Bank as our fairytales justly entitle them, and if it causes immense ubearable human suffering for others... it's ok, they're just filthy goyim who talk funny.
9. The author is right, correct and brave!
Israeli 2   (01.14.11)
10. BDS Is A Worldwide Movement
World Citizen ,   the world   (01.14.11)
It is getting stronger everyday. The writer can play the anti-Semite card all day long but it won't work. Israel is a rogue nation. It is an apartheid state. It is a pariah among the civilized nations of the world. It will remain a pariah state until it either becomes a modern secular state with equal rights and opportunities for ever creed, color, race, religion, ethnicity and sexual orientation OR it allows the creation of an independent, contiguous Palestine that includes all of the West Bank and Gaza with its capitol in East Jerusalem. The writer thinks that by playing to the uneducated masses of Israel that it can somehow stave off the inevitable. He can't. The economic forces of the boycott are growing. It's only a matter of time. The United States can only save you for a little longer. They are a fiscally and morally bankrupt nation. When their currency collapses they will have so many problems of their own they will forget about you.
11. Common target
Jarda ,   Czech Republic   (01.14.11)
Seems to me that Mr. Lieberman and the Palestinian organisations mentioned above have common target.
12. Criticism of Israel is not Anti-Semitism
Marcus Silverman   (01.14.11)
Israeli has laid itself open to campaigns of BDS and delegitimization with it's refusal to comply withe international law. There's no state in the free and democratic world that gives the Israeli occupation and settlements any legitimacy, and the Israelis had better wake up before it's too late
13. Anti -Zionism= Anti-Semitism
andy ,   orlando,u.s   (01.14.11)
14. Flyspeck Organisation
Harry ,   Toronto Canada   (01.14.11)
Whats even worse about these jew haters is that some of them are Jews! I have seen them in the malls and to be quite frank, they appear to be a pipsqueak group of people rejected by society, who are looking to belong to something simply because they are losers.
15. BDS AGENT OR WHAT? #7
Michael ,   California, USA   (01.14.11)
It is easy to verify facts, so why would #7 put down in writing here such an astonishing collection of falsities. It couldn't just be brainwashing. Sara B, admit it, you are an agent.
16. Still in denial
Sean ,   Montreal, Quebec   (01.14.11)
If you don't have the wisdom to evolve into a pluralist state there will be no end to this madness. The author is correct. Non violent opposition is the acceptable moral ground. There is no denying the atrocities committed against the Jewish people in the past just as there is no denying the atrocities being committed against non Jews in the Territories today. Expecting people to acquiesce because it pleases a warped religious parochialism is not reasonable. This silly argument about inventions is not germane to the discussion. Whether the inventor of a product has an inny or an outie isn't the point. The point is to make it increasingly difficult to carry on regular economic relations with the rest of the world. Better than rockets, no?
17. #15 .....false??
galilean mom ,   Israel   (01.14.11)
What exactly do you think is false in #7's post?
18. To #4 -"Palestinians deserve a State"-Missing the point
Andi ,   Israel   (01.14.11)
Bibi also says the Palestinians deserve a state. The problem is you, BDS and the Palestinians seem to think Israel should be forced to do this on your terms, without negotiations, even when such a unilateral move would clearly harm Isarel's security. Your activities with BDS make it less likely that the Palestinians will enter in to negotiations, as they find every excuse not to do so, and this only prolongs the occupation.
19. No. 3 source of our right
Madeleine ,   Israel   (01.14.11)
"What is the source of the exclusive, historical right that all Jewish people have to "Judea and Samaria"? The source of our legal right to all land west of the Jordan River, i.e. including Judea and Samaria, is the agreement signed at San Remo in 1922 between the Brits, who had the Mandate, and the Arabs. Jordan (TRANS-Jordan) was created by this same agreement as a home for the Palestinian Arabs. THAT is the source of our right to the land. Of course, no Arabs removed themselves to Jordan - they could see the way the Jews were developing the land here, and bringing prosperity to the erstwhiel barren countryside, and decided to stay. The partition plan of 1947 bowed to the Arabs by dividing what was the whole of the Land of Israel into part for the Arabs and part for the Jews, but the Arabs refused to accept this and ever since, have been waging war on us. The San Remo agreement was never repealed or overridden. The fact is, that in the 1948 War of Independence, the Jordanian's occupied Judea and Samaria as well as the Old city of Jerusalem and East Jerusalem, areas which had been decreed part of Israel in the aforementioned 1922 agreement. Again, understand that the fact that the Arabs never recognized or accepted the 1947 Partition Plan, meant that it was not legally binding on either party.
20. So, dear Why-Net you didn't like my choice of words like:
tom ,   tel aviv   (01.14.11)
"trigger"," M-16", "Arab enemy" and so on. Too inflammatory, "settler-like", eh?
21. Nonsense
Tel Avivoid ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (01.14.11)
The article rightly attacks the illegitimate conflation of "Jews" and "Israel," then does the same by claiming opposition to the occupation is opposition to the Jewish state. It pretends that one cannot oppose the occupation without opposing Israel or Jews in general. It is quite similar in theory to the list Sarah B posted in #7. Ignoring the fact most protests are against things coming from the territories, not Israeli technology in general, it seemlessly moves from Israeli to generalized "Jewish" innovations, which nobody protests. Honestly, believing people who oppose the occupation should ignore all Jewish innovation is as illogical as saying Israel should ignore any technology developed by anti-semites (rockets and assembly lines come to mind).
22. # 7 Sarah, very well written. Moshe
Moshe ,   Usa   (01.14.11)
23. #17 google ''CAT scan inventor''
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24. ASHamed Jews - want Israel to disappear
Z Lando ,   Tekoa, Israel   (01.14.11)
"end the occupation" ... "stop the brutality" ... OK - so, you have shown yourselves to be educated and articulate... let me ask you a question: AFTER Israel off the map.... and after that? Has anyone asked themselves that question? Let's say.. Israel does NOT exist. No Jews. No nothing..... and then? ... That Muslims of the world will stop fighting? End their threats? No terror? Mo wars of conquest? They won't want to take over YOUR home by force and the grace of Allah?
25. #10
Cynthia ,   USA   (01.14.11)
Have yet to see anything constructive come out of this BDS movement. Israel's diverse, technologically advanced economy grows stronger while the Palestinians remain dependent on Israel for medical care, employment and tax revenues. And you World Citizen, what perfect country are you too embarrassed to identify?
26. 7 - Throw away your mobile phone. That's Israeli technology
split ,   US   (01.14.11)
Martin Cooper (born December 26, 1928 in Chicago, Illinois, USA) is a former Motorola vice president and division manager of Ukrainian ethnicity who in the 1970s led the team that developed the handheld mobile phone (as distinct from the car phone). CAT scan inventors - Godfrey Hounsfield (english) and Allan McLeod Cormack.(S. African) Also, full body CAT scan by Robert S. Ledley, an American ,... Peacemaker - The earliest known creation of an implantable pacemaker was by Åke Senning and Rune Elmquist of Sweden in 1958. Wilson Greatbatch an American(born September 6, 1919) is an engineer and inventor who advanced the development of early implantable cardiac pacemakers. He is a graduate of Cornell Univ. and the Univ. at Buffalo.
27. @17 Martin Cooper of Motorola USA invented the cellphone
Mat ,   USA   (01.14.11)
28. #17 google ''who invented MRI ''
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29. WHY USURPING FACTS, PRESTIGE? #7, 17
Michael ,   California, USA   (01.14.11)
Please, don't steal, don't cheat, don't usurp others' work? CAT was invented at Tufts University in early 1950's. MRI ideas came out of Stanford in the 1930's. And so on. How naive can you be thinking that mobile phone, or Chemotherapy, or Blue Jeans, or even a lipstick was Jewish invention when thousands worked on it around the world. Certainly, there were and are inventions of which Israel can justly be proud, without claiming racist dominance. What prestige are you seeking by bending facts to your agendas? Israel can stand on its own, with well deserved prestige. Israel has survived Arab boycotts before and BDS will not harm it now. Israel doesn't need usurpers.
30. The author rightly delineates and sums
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (01.14.11)
up how western anti-Zionism and anti-semitism have colluded with their counterparts in the Muslim world to become a forceful movement to delegitimize the Jewish state. It's enough to read these Talkbacks here on Ynet to gain a fair appreciation of how adament and delusionary are Israels' enemies. Especially compelling are the Jewish Talkbackers such as "Canadian Dude" who employ their own Jewish identities to attempt to ransack the state of Israel of all legitimacy. In the diaspora, especially, there is a kind of Stockholm Syndrome effect: Get in bed with the enemies of Jews and then hope to gain their lasting approval and acceptance. Of course, just like the Capos in the Nazi concentration camps, the world of Jew haters will eventually turn on them too. Of course, these Jews, turned against themselves as well as their fellow Jews, will indignantly deny what they are doing. The "stain" of their Jewishness will never be effaced no matter what they say or do. For anyone who wishes to understand this phenomenon better, I beseech you to read any of the works of the great Jewish writer, Franz Kafka. For the record, I reside in a "yishuv" in Gush Etzyon, referred to as a "settlement" by the western world. All the Jewish villages are built on hills off the main highway just as the Arab villages are. We don't go into the Arab villages and Arabs don't come here except to do construction work during the day. As they don't pay taxes nor do they pay for electricity and water and the cost of living in general is much cheaper on the Palestinian side, the amount of money they earn is quite sufficient. Looking at their housing, from afar, there seems to be nothing lacking. Jews who are in contact with them say that most of the Arabs in this area like things the way they are, that they are against Hamas (in this region, at least) and they distrust the Palestinian authority due to its long, ingrained state of corruption. Near Efrat (a Jewish town), is a shopping complex called Rahmy Levy (food, gasoline, clothing) which employs an equal number of Jews and Arabs. Both Jews and Arabs shop there. Of course, there are the usual inspections before entering the supermarket but this was once an area where considerable violence took place (Arab terrorism) but, in recent years, it has quieted down considerably. The shopping complex is proof that, if left alone without the influence of external (outside) influences, the two peoples could be compatible and sometimes even friendly. I bring this item up because it's apparent that few Readers are really familiar with the "yishuvs" across the Green Line and what they write and what the western world has chosen to believe (see Professor Dann's commentaries) are simply falsehoods all too readily absorbed by Jew haters and anti-Zionists alike.
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