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Restoring historical memory
Martin Sherman
Published: 19.01.11, 18:11
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1. Interesting article but does not coincide with ground realit
john ,   cardiff   (01.19.11)
The author may be able to persuade the World opinion if the whole Worl read this article. The ground reality has changed and it is time that the Israeli's should drop the old stereo type slogan that arabs are determined to destroy the Israel. Self-pity is never helpful for any nation.
2. Amen, Selah. Only Jordan is Palestine. 80% of population
Yaawqove ,   Israel   (01.19.11)
and 78% of the palestine mandate land (Israel being on 22% of the P. Mandate Land)
3. #1 Arabs are still determined to destroy Israel
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (01.19.11)
It is still part of the PLO charter. Didn't you bother to read the article?
4. Three clear facts ignored by current Israeli leaders.
Chaim ,   Israel   (01.19.11)
The author is absollutely correct. The blindness of Two State Final Solution supporters is breathtaking. It is not as though our enemies are hiding their genocidal intentions towards us. They are on PA TV every day, in their school texts, on their covenants...throughout their entire society. The second clear fact ignored by current Israeli leaders is that allowing a "Palestine'" state in Judea and Samaria would render Israel absolutely defenseless and doom Israel to extinction within a decade.There is no possible way Israel can survive with an 8 mile border. The third clear fact is that Judea and Samaria rightfully belong to Israel. No nation has a stronger claim on their land than Israel has to Judea and Samaria.
5. Never means never
Warren ,   Dallas, USA   (01.19.11)
Will there ever be a time when the events of Jewish and Arab history will represent themselves with no bias from the reader or writer? I suspect not. We Jews have been blamed for everything including just being born. Plus ca change, plus c'est le meme chose.
6. Thanks for this important reminder
rivkah f. ,   jerusalem   (01.19.11)
I remember those weeks before the six day war in May-June 1967 with the threats of annihilation of Israel & its people, emanating daily from the Arab media. And I remember the announcement that the U.S. will remain "neutral in thought, word & deed." We are told to remember the Holocaust & we should, but we must also remember the Holocaust that did not happen because of the Israel Defense Forces. If we continue with appeasement and delusions about "peace", we will find ourselves facing the same situation as we did before the Six Day War. Thank you, Prof. Sherman.
7. Interesting article but a waste of time, because
tiki ,   belgium   (01.19.11)
Those who 'know the truth, don't need to be convinced, and those who 'don't wan't to know, will NEVER be convinced.
8. #1
Shmuel ,   Anaheim, CA, USA   (01.19.11)
Where has "ground reality" changed? The PA boasts that they have not budged from their positions and do not intend to compromise. Their children are taught that Jews are "occupiers" that must be killed and driven out of "Palestine". Both PLO and Hamas charters call for the extermination of Israel and any Jewish presence in "Palestine", all the land west of the Jordan river. Lastly, this is not self pity, it's facing reality. You, on the other hand, prefer to live in your alternate universe where Israel is always wrong and the Arabs are always right.
9. Dear Mr. Sherman, you should be talking to your government
Schreiber   (01.19.11)
The legal and historical facts as you present them have always been clear and available to anyone who can read. If you were to face your government and present them with these facts, what would they say? What's their excuse for ignoring them and pursuing an agenda at odds with international law, history and the interest of the Jews of Israel? Can anyone at all answer that?
10. There was no anticipatory self defense
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (01.19.11)
We had been attacked by ALL of the Arab countries numerous times, ALL of them declared that they were at war with us. We merely responded to their acts of aggression. What I find interesting is the fact that the 'Palestinians' have NO legal claims whatsoever to any of the land west of the Jordan and the entire world ignores that fact.
11. Good grief, John (#1)
Howard Immanuelson ,   US   (01.19.11)
You seem to be blind to the world that you live in. Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood, Saudia Arabia and much of the Arab world including the majority of Palestinians actively declare and demonstrate their desire to destroy Israel. I have no clue as to how any person even remotely familiar with the subject could utter such complete nonsense.
12. #1 I hardly think we fall into the category of self-pity.
noa ,   israel   (01.19.11)
Israel has been attacked again and again and won against impossible odds, and only held back at the request of the allied powers in favor of the poor Arabs. Now, that's self-pity. Who really is the victim here? But the problem is, this article will get shelved with thousands of articles. It is too little, too late. I would love to have a peaceful Palestinian state next to us. But Muslims as a whole clearly do not think they have a hold on the truth unless they occupy the whole world. They are the occupiers, not us.
13. historical memory
berenhausbob@aol.com   (01.19.11)
A ) Clinton was an idiot, still is. B )Read Preamble,article 28 and 7 C )The brit,john Cardiff is an imbecile.see comment # 1
14. where's the Arab indignation in chat?
david ,   jerusalem   (01.19.11)
There's normally a few retorting Arab protests when articles like this are published. A telling sign there's none today.
15. Ground Reality
Joan ,   New Zealand   (01.19.11)
#1 John - The ground reality has not changed. The thoughts of the Muslim Arabs are unchanged and while we have people like you with no knowledge of the truth aiding and abetting their hate why should they change. Do not believe what you read from the media or extreme leftists, try reading 'From Time Immemorial' by Joan Peters, it will shock you.
16. fatah/plo should speedily remove article 12, 19, 22 from...
eporue ,   europe   (01.19.11)
their constitution... asap... ok, then mr sherman, with the two state solution ?
17. John at #1
John Phee ,   Sydney AUSTRALIA   (01.19.11)
It somewhat agree with you but less be really honest the world has given up on the Arabs. The world thought that they would see reason & make peace with Israel, they didn't despite many opportunities. The Arabs made sure that peace could not occur by abandoning the Arabs that call themselves Palestinians as a cancerous festering sore. Now the world will pressure Israel hoping that they will see "world reason". The countries that have "recognised" Palestine have agreed to the Palestinian Charter that calls for the extermination of Israel. Support for the Arabs sadly will only create more problems. Remember they launched two wars (48 & 67) that were to exterminate every Jew & a third (73) that would have the same result if they won. They advertised & announced their intent before these wars. Do you think that they have ever changed their ultimate goal which is the extermination of the Jews & other non-Muslim Israelis.
18. John#1 Islamist Terros from CARDIFF were arrested this month
Alan ,   SA   (01.19.11)
19. # 1John
Madeleine ,   Israel   (01.19.11)
Sitting over there in sunny Cardiff (which by the way is my home town) I don't suppose you hear what the Arabs spew forth in Arabic for the Arab population> They claim Palestine from the "river to the sea" meaning from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. They raise their children, from babes in arms upwards, to revere war, bloodshed, martyrdom, suicide bombings. Ever heard little kindergarteners being interviewed in Arabic, asserting that jews are pig, monkeys, talking of bloodshed and killing.? No, you in the west don't hear sucj things because what the Arabs say in English is what the West wants to hear; what they spew out in Arabic are their true intentions. As for self-pity, believe me, we don't wallow in sel-pity. We look to protect our nation and defend ourselves.
20. Superb Article - Right on the Point.
Orao. ,   Srbia.   (01.20.11)
Why is there then Usefull Idiots of Jews holding another wiev. It is almost unbelievable that there is such Foolish idiotic Jews. Orao.Srbia.
21. To no. 17
john ,   cardiff   (01.20.11)
as far as I rember, President Clinton himself went to Ramallah to get removed the clauses from the charter of PLO regarding destruction of Israel. There is no point to repeat the stereo type slogans that Arabs want to destroy the Israel. Israel is a reality and a nation. Israel will remain there forever and all Arab states has recognised this fact on the condition that Israel should solve the Palestinian issue and get recognition from all muslim and Arab countries. These slogans of self-pity are not appreciated in the World reality of today.
22. To no. 19
john ,   cardiff   (01.20.11)
The Arab slogans is similar to GREATER Israel. This is politics. The World knows that Israel and Palestninans are there to stay togather either as a Binational country or two nations with two states - the State of israel and the state of palestine.
23. Great article
Jeff ,   Chicago   (01.20.11)
The problem is that Israel is constantly on the defensive. The Israelis especially Netanyahu need to drive home these points in his talks and to the media. The world and many Israelis particularly the leftists want to change the history of the conflict. The arabs have learned as the nazis before them. how to manipulate opinion through repeating the same lies over and over until the truth is forgotten.
24. #14. They make no attempt to hide their genocidal intent.
Chaim ,   Israel   (01.20.11)
#14 David. The most mind boggling thing about the phony "peace process" is that our "Palestinian" enemies don't even try to hide their genocidal intent. As you noted, no "Palestinians" are rebutting this article. More tellingly are the constant genocidal incitement carried every day on P.A. TV and throughout the P.A. media, in P.A. school texts and throughout their entire society. The "peace process" exists solely in the heads of deluded Israeli leftists. Everyone else knows it's a complete fraud.
25. Israel & Arabs
Abu Yussef al Yahudi ,   Bue.Aires_Argentina   (01.20.11)
Sherman gave us a very clear vision of the reality in the M.E. and the World in general regarding the Muslims. As a matter of fact, The West is doing the same mistake that did Chamberlain trying to appease Hitler before the WWII. If the Western Nations sucumbs to the Propaganda of the Arabs / Muslims, in the immediate future it will be too late to stop the "Muslim Wave" - Their goal is to conquest all the World and convert all the infidels to the Islam by the force of the sword. Besides, they are the Champions of the deception and lies (The TAKKYAH in Arabic, as is written in the Koran) They also have an intrinsic venomous hatred against the Jewish People, and one of their main goals is the TOTAL EXTERMINATION of the Jews, i.e. the destruction of the State of Israel, and all the jews of the World, in the second and definitive HOLOCAUST. Take a look at the contents of their Charts and Constitutions, it is the clear proof of this evil goal. For the people of good will (Jewish or Non-Jewish) that believes in a peaceful coexistense of Two States in the M.E., saddly it won´t be possible, because the profound hatred of the Muslims against all the "Infidels", including the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddist etc. The most sad example of this religious intolerance is the partition of the people of Indian ancestry between Muslims (Pakistan) and Non-Muslims (India), after the independence of their country from the UK. To the Western People, give up the hope of peace with the Arabs / Muslims, because the only language that the Muslims understand is the deterrence by BRUTAL FORCE. GOD HELP THE WESTERN WORLD, if the governments do not wake up right now and fight this threat.
26. Jewish American dribble
Avi ,   NYC, USA   (01.20.11)
Every week or two the readers of YNET have to endure another article by a legal luminary, usually an American Jew who works as a lawyer, accountant or just a lifeguard in the local Jewish Community Center, who tries to explain to us all the complicated facts about the world that we cannot comprehend by ourselves. Usually, the article centers around thec claim that because the '67 war had been a war of self defense we are entitled to keep the land, and show the local Arabs the door. Nobody in the world accept these claims beside Allen Dershowitz and several Orthodox Rabbis. If Israel wants to keep the land it will have to annex the territories and grant the Arabs full rights. The land will cease to have a Jewish majority, unless the Dershowitzes of the world immigrate to Israel in multitudes. Do not hold your breath, they are not going to come. I wonder why.
27. John Cardiff is a moron
Gino G ,   USA   (01.20.11)
those in favor say Aye
28. I fully agree with Mr. Sherman
Jarda ,   Czech Republic   (01.20.11)
Palestinians hate you. And I guess that they have a pretty good reason.
29. #19 What exactly is 'world' opinion?
David ,   Shiloh Israel   (01.20.11)
John, you sound sincere in your ignorance. In particular you use the words 'the WORLD' as if that is the almighty body representing truth. Tell me, better still tell yourself, what do you mean by 'the WORLD'? Who or what is this divine authority? If you look deep enough, I think you'll find that it is no more than a PR excercise that has span blatant lies into a fool's truth. The lie is to suggest that Jews have no right to our promised land, and even worse that those who really don't have a real claim...the palestinians...are the righful owners. Sadly, you're not alone in this state of falsehood. Even many lost Jews like to be in step with 'world' opinion, instead of fully realizing what they stand to lose. Cardiff is a great place with many nice people. You & I know that it's not the true Jewish homeland. The Welsh have a far better feel for the Black Hills then any outsider will ever get. Israelites also have a better connection with the Holy Land then any other foreign souls will ever get remotely close to possessing, and that includes the so called 'occupied' territories talked about in this article. Well the record will be set straight and truth will prevail, this 'world' will recognize that the G-d of Israel exists...count on it...the 'world' also depends upon it!
30. great article Mr Sherman - kol ha cavod!
Daniela   (01.20.11)
yes exactly: "Clearly then, Arab Palestinian enmity towards the Jews is not about borders but about being; not about Israel's "occupation" but about Israel's existence; not about what the Jewish people do but about what the Jewish people are; not about the Jewish state's policy but about the Jewish state per se".
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