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2 more suspects arrested over killing of Palestinian
Yair Altman
Published: 30.01.11, 16:24
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1. the police should be arrested
Avi Steinson ,   Tel Aviv   (01.30.11)
How can we proclaim on the one hand that Israel has the right to defend itself and at the same time revoke that right from Jewish Israelis
2. Boring Series Continues !
Salma ,   Palestine   (01.30.11)
Settlers broad imagination..Episode 9999999, and I'm sorry to tell you that this series has no end : (
3. what makes more sense
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (01.30.11)
What makes more sense: a group of Jewish hikers including women and children attack some innocent Arabs, or a group of Arab young men attack the Jewish hikers? Clearly the latter. It is interesting that Ehud Barak's police have arrested Jews because they dared defend themselves but are too clumsy and clueless to find any of the Arab rioters. Can someone tell me, who pays Barak's salary?
4. Purse Hasbara B.S.
Doug ,   Rochester, USA   (01.30.11)
If the Pals had weapons and fired at them, how come none of them were hit by bullets? If the hikers truely did not anticipate any problems, why were they armed to the teeth for just an innocent hike?
5. Interesting Case
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (01.30.11)
This will be exploited for the PR, hopefully there will be some video of the incident. As we saw, even with overwhelming video evidence that clearly proved the IDF were attacked in the flotilla incident, many still blame Israel. Even though the video's exonerate them. So without video it will be he said/she said type of case. As we all know, nobody wants to believe Israel or Israeli's. The hatemongers look for any opportunity to vilify Israel. As we see with "Peace Now" the self hate group was quick to jump on the bandwagon against the settler's. As if a group of hikers that included 12 year old kids, women and seniors was there to start a fight? You would think "Peace Now" with one of the founder's Ron Levy was murdered (shot in the head) by Arabs while walking in the woods should know better. But some are hard pressed to learn anything.
6. Peace Now will have their "On the spot" report soon.
rebecca ,   Modiin   (01.30.11)
This is a regular hike, with people of all ages and backgrounds. Easy to ambush. Harder for the hikers to arrange Palestinians on the way to shoot at. and BTW it is required for tours in this region to have some sort of security just for these situations. It's Efrat. They carry guns. BH they did.
7. #5 - mark from georgia... interesting case...
eporue ,   europe   (01.30.11)
when you - in the US - would shoot someone to death, because "he threw stones at you"... what would you be most likely/usually indicted of ? nothing ? would the court rule "self-defense", no punishment ?
8. #4; Doug, Gets it wrong, not surprising
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (01.30.11)
First if you read the article it started as an ambush with stone throwing by the Pals only later in the attack did they use weapons. As I said earlier they didn't come there with 12 year old kids, women and senior citizens to start a fight. As to your silly remark: "why were they armed to the teeth", they were not or many more Pals would have been killed. As Prazot stated in the article: "I asked anyone in our group who had a weapon to cover the seniors' and children's escape. I cocked my personal weapon and hid behind a boulder." Apparently you read, see, hear and comprehend very selectively. I'm sure that's due to your personal hidden agenda. Save it. We enough liars here already.
9. #6
(01.30.11)
Armed guards are required for all non-Muslim hikes in Israel. Remember 44-year old Kristine Luken murdered by a gang of 13 rapists from Tzurif (just 8 km from Efrat) less than a month ago including Iyad Patpata, Kifach Ghanimat and Muhammad Ghanimat?
10. #7; eporue, That's An Easy Question
Mark from Georgia   (01.30.11)
If 19 guys surrounded me and started throwing rocks the size of golf ball and baseballs, and shot 1 or 2 of them, nothing would happen to me whatsoever. It would called self defense, if one guy throws one rock, that's one thing if 19 guys start throwing rocks at you, to kill you, it's called self defense. If you doubt me, come over, and I'll hire 20 guys to throw rocks at you, and give you gun, we'll see what you do? You people make me laugh, always with the excuses.
11. self-defense
meir ,   TA   (01.30.11)
"The general criminal law allows for the use of deadly force anytime a faultless victim reasonably believes that unlawful force which will cause death or grievous bodily harm is about to be used on him."
12. Why no arabs arrested?
adam eliyahu   (01.30.11)
I would think throwing rocks at another person is some sort of crime. Whether or not it is right or wrong, Arabs who didn't seve in the IDF do not get gun lienses therefore there are unlicensed weapons that are being used for criminal purposes in those villages. No Arab arrests!!?? I find that to be disurbing and bizzarre.
13. You dont arrest the victim but the perpetrators! Arrest the
12yroldhiker ,   arrested4selfdefense   (01.30.11)
Arabs who attacked the 60 year old and 12 year old and 30 year old Jews on the community hike!!!! Arrest those male Arabs in their late teens and 20s who sought to murder Jews for merely being Jewish !
14. #11, Tell that to Daniel Pinner
Yonatan Koss   (01.30.11)
The problem is the severely left leaning courts side with less than credible witnesses a lot of the time.
15. throwing stones is attempted murder ?
eporue ,   europe   (01.30.11)
16. Eporue #15
Sarah ,   Jerusalem Israel   (01.30.11)
Yes, Eporue, throwing stones is attempted murder. We're not talking little pebbles but rocks the size of baseballs and cinder blocks, thrown with the intent to inflict great bodily harm or death. That's attempted murder. Please recall David and Goliath--the latter was killed by a stone to the forehead.
17. Yes Eporue, throwing rocks is attempted murder
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (01.30.11)
A neighbor of mine here in Judea had her skull shattered by a rock thrown through her car window. She spent two weeks in intensive care and to this day (roughly 2 years later) has permanent disabilities and severe scarring and disfigurement. The Palestinian teen who was encouraged to throw the rock by bit just his society, but by morally bankrupt Europeans as well, was arrested. He was tried and convicted of attempted murder, and is spending his next 25 years in prison. Yes, his goal was indeed to "kill a settler" and he didn't care that it was a middle-aged mother. Yes, we do indeed have the right to shoot these Arabs in self-defense. Are you also one of those fools who pushes Palestinian propaganda that these Arabs throw harmless "pebbles" and kassam rockets are mere "firecrackers" that do no damage? As Mark suggested above, let's see you volunteer to have one of my teenage neighbors throw a brick at your head, or we'll arrange for you to hold a kassam warhead while we detonate it. Either way, you'll get the message the the goal of the Palestinians is to kill. Bring your own health insurance, since I'm tired of my tax money paying for the dead and wounded Israelis that you Europeans encourage the Palestinians to kill and maim. Take your silly notion of rights and wrongs and keep them to yourself in Europe. In another 100 years it will mean nothing when Europe becomes Islamic. Your kind will either be converted or subjugated.
18. #16, 17: self-defense
eporue ,   europe   (01.30.11)
ok, its attempted murder. but what when you are on land, what is not yours...? if you build a hut in your neighbours backyard and he comes and throws stones at you. you shoot him. question (1): would the neighbour have the right to throw rocks ? question (2): why dont have the palestinians have the right to throw rocks at settlers ? question (3, in case, they dont have the right to throw rocks at settlers): will they have the right to throw rocks at settlers (as self-defense), when their state is recognized by the UN ? and if not, why not. tia.
19. #15
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (01.30.11)
October 27, 2010 John Nagle, a single drunk (no intent) teenager who threw a single rock (not many) at bullet proof glass in a police station (not at children on a hike) in Newburyport MA, USA was charged for assault with a deadly weapon. In 2004, Matthew Joseph Carter and friends set out for some "redneck fund" and threw rocks at vehicles, killing Barbara Weimer. Carter was found guilty of murder
20. Eporue, Europe
nr ,   los angeles, usa   (01.31.11)
The Jewish people have a 4,000 year history on the land you claim is not ours. which the Arabs categorically do not. Not just living there, but governments (kingdoms), rule of law, invasion by other nations, etc. Far longer than European history, so I obviously you can't understand us. But you will when the muslims claim your land as theirs - which will be sooner than later. Good luck. You're gonna need it.
21. Typical European ignorance
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (01.31.11)
On land "what is not yours"?!?!? I live in Gush Etzion, where Jews legally owned land in 1948 before the Arabs overran it in a war, captured the surrendering defenders, then massacred them. Even before then, this land was my land when you Europeans invaded 2000 years ago, threw us Jews out, and then for the next 2000 years denied us citizenship, persecuted us, and slaughtered us across Europe whenever you felt like it....culminating of course in the biggest genocide of all time in ww2. If this is not my homeland, then tell me when the statute of limitations ran out....and I'll wait the same length of time so that you can tell those Arab squatters that they have no rights to their homeland and I can throw rocks at their heads and try to kill them. Just like in 1948 we Jews are willing to share the land. You Europeans are helping the Arabs with every cheap excuse why not to negotiate with us and sign a peace treaty. You're telling me that I have the right to throw rocks at Europeans who killed my fellow Jews in Poland and Germany and Czeck and Hungary and Romania and Greece and Italy and France and Holland and Belgium and all other places where you murdered Jews and then occupied their homes. Ok Eporue....line up and give me a profile pose while I throw a rock at your head. Crikey, you Europeans have gone totally nuts. You preach human rights up and down, and then say that Arabs have the "right" to throw a rock at my head?!?!? Are you totally stupid? Go back and read the UN declaration on human rights, you moron. NOBODY has the "right" to try and kill me, especially when my neighbor came by and started cultivating my grandfather's land. And you, buddy boy, do not have the "right" to declare that "settlers" are not human beings and have no protection under universal human rights - to which you are a signatory. No wonder Europe is crumbling and being overrun.
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