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Could US abandon Israel too?
Aviel Magnezi
Published: 01.02.11, 08:36
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1. "the American public opinion is on our side "
Salma ,   Palestine   (02.01.11)
Short-sighted View ! Arabs and Muslims are living in and around "Israel", not the American people .
2. US won't abandon Israel, obumma already has.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (02.01.11)
3. Could US abandon Israel ?
DT ,   TA Israel   (02.01.11)
Without a doubt and it virtually has already. No worries we will survive well.
4. The US abandoned a dictator, not Egypt
Nour ,   One State   (02.01.11)
Reality Shock! Egypt is a nation. Mubarak was a dictator who didn't represent his nation nor his people. As to the US finally waking up and pursuing its real interests ie friendship and business relations with 300.000.000 Arabs, it's about time!
5. Ok, Pomerantz managed to get a writeup in Ynet
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (02.01.11)
Aside from that, think of it this way...how likely is it that the US would abandon its friendly relations with Canada? The natural reaction is to say "are you nuts? Why would the US do that?". Ditto for Israel. Pomerantz is trying to sell us some snake oil that the US would abandon Israel in order to chummy up with all those countries with angry masses who chant "death to America". In which case, I have a private island in a beautiful lake in the Negev that's on the market, maybe Prof Pomerantz would like to buy a timeshare option there...
6. These ARE the end of days
Shalom ,   Ashdod, Israel   (02.01.11)
that the Prophets were talking about. I hope that the US drops its support to Israel completely because that means that the Mashiah will be coming since he is not going to come for as long as we are depending on somewhere else. We have to put our full and complete trust in Hashem and not be scared to stand alone because only then will the sea part for us as it did with our forefathers. Now go and pray and stop worrying.
7. Obama hasn't learned from Carter's mistakes
Ilan ,   Ariel   (02.01.11)
Going from a bad situation to a much worse one as what happened in Iran is the likely result. Does Obama consider it back-stabbing? probably not. Does the US want the Moslem Brotherhood to take over Egypt. Doubtful. The US simply has a hard time with cause and effect. Too complex a process for naive ideologues.
8. Blame Obama Blama the US, blah blah blah
Sheik Rattle & Roll ,   USA   (02.01.11)
The US is doing the right thing. It has to support the Egyptian people publicly and it has not stabbed Mubarak in the back. Mubarak is one person out of 70 million in Egypt and only a fool would support Mubarak when millions of his fellow country men are revolting. Professor Gilboa is an idiot for making these idiotic statements. Obama hasn't stabbed any one in the back. Mubarak has stabbed his self in the back. Professor Gilboa you should really get out of the lecturing/education business because you are delusional at best. Maybe it is a good idea for Israel to severe relations with the US and look elsewhere for it's diplomatic /military support. I could see China using its UN veto to protect Israel and I could see India airlifting emergency munitions to Israel during a military conflict and placing it's warships off the coast of Israel as an extra layer missile shield. In other words professor stop talking worthless fart and look at the big picture. Mubarak is going down unless there was some type of divine intervention and Obama is not GOD.
9. Not Going To Happen
Yishai Kohen ,   YeShA, Israel   (02.01.11)
These professors need to get out sometime- leave the ivory tower. Popular support for Israel in the US is consistently very high- among the most liked countries on earth. Every Gallup poll, Pew poll, McLaughlin poll, and even Zogby (an Arab with strong pro-Pal leanings) poll indicates this. No administration will go against such strong support: Certainly not the Republicans, who are the most staunch supporters, and not the Democrats, who will lose their Jewish support if they do.
10. Loyalty
Philip ,   Afula, Israel   (02.01.11)
Its always been about interests,nothing new here.
11. Does it really matter?
withheld ,   Copenhagen, Denmark   (02.01.11)
Is it something that should concern Israel? I mean Israel defeated its greatest challenges with out the support of the US... Why this sudden dependence on their support. Actually Israel could debate more freely and arguement far stronger on its own behalf, were she not so dependant on relations to the US.
12. Anybody who knows anything...
Noodles ,   Coney Island   (02.01.11)
knows that America will abandon Israel at a moments notice. But that might not be such a bad thing, as Israel could really dig in it's heels.
13. A lesson in optometry for Salma #1
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (02.01.11)
Americans do more trade with Israel than with Israel's Arab and Muslim neighbors - Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and the Palestinian Authority. The American people watch the Arabs and Muslims who live around Israel chant "death to America". The American people have NEVER seen an Israeli protest against America, and NEVER heard Israelis say anything that comes close to the Arab and Muslim calls for genocide against America. The American people are not short-sighted at all. You Arabs should definitely get your eyes checked.
14. Any one who makes peaceful transformation impossiable will
Mark ,   USA-Turkey   (02.01.11)
make violent one inavidiable
15. Salma treatning us, is paid to post comment. part of arab PR
STEPHAN ,   YAFFO   (02.01.11)
16. The Religion of Democracy
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (02.01.11)
Americans, and not too few Israelis, are die-hard believers in the Religion of Democracy. It is a religion whose dogma is that "the will of the people" is a better system of government than any other form of government ever devised or attempted. It is a missionary religion, too. Its adherents press their friends and allies to fully accept this religion, because it is the one and only true religion. They try to spread this religion whenever and wherever they can to the unfaithful, because the ultimate Salvation of Mankind can only come through Democracy. It is a religion, they say, that works better than any other, even if it is somewhat flawed and sometimes brings to power evil regimes. That is part of the price of Democracy. This all would be acceptable, I might say, however, it is also a religion without G-d. And any religion without G-d will ultimately devolve into hedonism and immorality.
17. Russia
Matt   (02.01.11)
There has been private discussions about moving closer to Russia, before the US Israel bought French weapons. I would always tell the Israeli's not leave the alliance but how can that be argued now. The US is in fiscal dumps foreign aid will dry up anyway they are talking about that now. Russia want to out do the US and broker Mid East peace. This is a desperate move that show the US is finished in the Mid East, their word means nothing, neither does their protection. Saudi Arabia has just bought 60 billion dollar worth of problems.
18. For the first time since long
Yossef   (02.01.11)
I agree completely with Salma #1. We are not living in Canada or in Mexico, but in the middle east and our first duty is to find a agreement with our arab neighbors to live and develop in peace, on a win-win relationship with them.
19. Americans have not abandond Egypt
sasha ,   Bibao, Basque   (02.01.11)
It looks they are abandoning Mubarak. There is a difference between Egypt and Mubarak. This is the most stupid statement I have seen, as if Israel was netanyahu. Israel is democracy.
20. Crown Prince of Jordan is Palestinian (mother). Read between
Yaawqove ,   Israel   (02.01.11)
the lines..................................... Jordan is Palestine 78% of the land 80% of the population. NO transfer of populations; "Palestinians" get citizenship in Jordan and stay in Israel as residents. Game over.
21. PLAN for the WORST, HOPE for the BEST. Dont count on others
Jethro ,   Listen, Moses   (02.01.11)
be self relient. The Holocaust lesson should have brought that home, 6,000,000 times over...
22. 5 Brian - WOW, Agreement
Mark of Lewiston ,   Lewiston USA   (02.01.11)
Hard to believe, I have no disagreement with your post. I'd even go further and ask what Pomerantz thinks the US could do to prop up Mubarak. Only the far right fringe and the far left fringe in the US disagree with current US policy on Egypt. Even the Republican leadership has expressed "no disagreement" with current US policy. And Israel is not a partisan issue though some on the fringes in the US would like it to be.
23. #13 Brian Cohen , don't distort my words!
Salma ,   Palestine   (02.01.11)
"Israelis" are short-sighted , and not the American people. Incidentally, for your good luck that the American ( people ) are more good people on the earth, but certainly someday they'll wake up.
24. Mubarak≠Egypt! US has NOT abandoned Egypt
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (02.01.11)
Has Israel abandoned America because we "stabbed America in the back" by switching loyalties from Bush to Clinton to Bush2 to Obama? Don't be daft! Should America still be supporting Olmert? Or have they stabbed him in the back too? When a people expels their leader and chooses a new leader--however they achieve it--allies must accept the new leader. This demonstrates that the alliance is with the country and people, not an individual leader--particularly not in defiance of the allied country and people. Alliances are between countries and peoples. If an autocrat oppresses an allied people we have to work with him while he is in power because he represents that ally. However, when his people rise up and reject him, the alliance is with the people and country, not the individual person. That's how it works... they are not naïve men; they know it. The effect of Egypt's instability, particularly recalling the Iranian outcome, demonstrates to the Americans that there is only one stable American ally in the Mid-East: Israel. Consequently, we should be far more discerning with the power our monopoly in this region, vis-à-vis the Islamic promotion of a global Caliphate imposing sharia, should command. We should stop selling ourselves cheaply. Egyptians, apparently representing a significant segment of Egyptian society, are plainly stating their concern that Israel (and the US) not abandon them BY continuing to prop up Mubarak. It's time Israel officially announce, unconditionally, that we respect and honor the Egyptian people's struggle for freedom and representative self-governance. If Mubarak manages to satisfy his people, then we respect and honor the wishes of the Egyptian people and Mubarak is fine with us. If the people throw him out, then we respect and honor the wishes of the Egyptian people and we hope we can have good relations with whatever leader they choose. That is the best Israel can do. There are two possible outcomes in Egypt: 1. takeover by Islamic hard-liners or 2. a reasonably representative government. In the first case, nothing we do changes that. However, in the second case, if we back Mubarak or another autocratic tyrant we hope will replace him, WE MAKE Egypt--the people and country--our enemy. If we support the Egyptian people; well, maybe it can work out a little better. The idea that Israel (or America) should call for Mubarak to step down is foolish. We should stay out of it, support the Egyptian people's struggle however THEY work it out, and do our best to continue good relations with Egypt under whomever emerges as Egypt's leader. Of course, Israel must be prepared for the worst-case. Even though Prof. Gilboa's assessment of America stabbing Mubarak in the back doesn't hold water, I have advocated in the past that Israel must stop putting all of our eggs in the one--American--basket. Not only must we begin translating our monopoly as the only western ally in the Middle East, while continuing to nurture good relations with the US, we must also begin distributing economic and defense needs placing equal [!] stress not only on China and India, but also Brazil. Israel must stop being dependent on one lone ally, granting it the power to dictate what we can and cannot do. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer & Orthodox Jew: Teimani, Baladi, Dor Dai Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming all who choose to keep Torah (When questions to me go unanswered, they have refused to post it. Find our reply in our Web Café at www.netzarim.co.il)
25. T:#5 Brian: You are very naive! Canada is not Jewish!
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (02.01.11)
You seem to forget that Barrack Obama was born a son of Islam, grew up in a Muslim country and was heavily influenced by an anti-Semitic minister, the Reverend Wright. You also seem to be totally ignoring the anti Israel sentiments which are growing daily in the USA due to the power of Muslim/Arab/Palestinian propaganda. True, the hatred of Israel has not reached the disgusting levels it has in Europe and the UK but the "Settlement Issue" is adding fuel to the fire. Further, more and more countries are recognizing a Palestinian "State" and a vote in the UN General Assembly, the same one that created the State of Israel, would undoubtedly do the same for Palestine and there is nothing you or I or the Government of Israel can do about it. They are going to get their "State" and the US will support it. The USA today is not the same USA on 9/11. Americans, like Israelis, have very short memories and fear of Islam is certainty pushing the American people into a mode of appeasement. So, Brian, do not discount the Professor's observations too quickly. We, who lean to the right, both in and out of the "Green Line" have a good deal of thinking to do. Most of all, our Prime Minister has to stop buying Cabinet votes a get down to the job of doing what is bet for the country and not what is best for Bibi!
26. #18 I dont think that's what Selma had in mind.
rebecca ,   Modiin   (02.01.11)
Peace between us and our Arab neighbors, for the benefit of all? Not Selma's style.
27. America has not dumped Mubarak
rebecca ,   Modiin   (02.01.11)
Nor have they supported the protesters. They're sitting on the proverbial fence, waiting to see what happens. If they had a problem with Mubarak's gov they should have done something long ago. Now they want to see how much the Muslim brotherhood has to do with this. Much like we are doing.
28. #26 Rebecca
Yossef   (02.01.11)
I didn't judge what Salma has in mind, I judge what she said and her remark is true, our neighbors are arabs. We like it or not, and we must integrate this fact and not live on another planet. What Salma wants or what I want is not relevant, what history writes is :-)
29. Interesting the BHO doesn't want reform in Iran (Shia) just
!sraeli   (02.01.11)
in Egypt (Sunni). Why the push for democratic reform in Egypt, while giving Ahmadinijad a free pass in Iran? The Iranian protesters also wanted a democracy! It looks like BHO is trying to topple the Sunni regimes (around Israel) and replace them with Shia regimes. I wonder why?... and take a close look at El Baradai who was an accomplice to the Iranian nuke program...and who looks like a real troubleshmecker. Hillary and all the other moonbats in the west supporting Obama against Mubarak should be very careful what they wish for...
30. Israel and the US
LKS ,   Na   (02.01.11)
Great countries have interests. They do not have friends. Of course it is possible that support of Israel will no longer serve the interests of the US either for domestic US reasons or international policy reasons.
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