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Lieberman: Iranian warships a provocation
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Published: 16.02.11, 19:09
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31. Ultimately Suez Canal more reliable under Israeli control.
Jerry ,   The Netherlands   (02.16.11)
32. # 28
(02.16.11)
Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness.
33. # 29
(02.16.11)
Dont speak for everyone.
34. Israel Must Target Irans Navy and Ports
Noah Lev ,   HollywoodUSA   (02.16.11)
To Zionist Forever: yes, I am opposed to Iron Dome as worthless and expensive besides. Unlike basketball, a good offense is better than a good defense. 50.00 Kassams, or more expensive Grads, built by the thousands..should be countered with massive IDF artillery..hitting the launch site and area adjacent (ncluding populated areas). Look whats happening: rockets are built cheaply, draining Israel. Now, Ron Paul wants to cut all funding to Israel, as does his son. Perhaps Israel could find new funders, but I doubt it? Re; warshps: with Mubarak out, and Muslims at the door, I doubt it will stop the warships? In the finality, Israeli missiles should be targeting Iranian and other warships through satellite guided bombs and missiles (cruise). Its easy to destroy a warship..just ask Argentina and No, Korea. I would then hit Iranian ports which house the ships. A tactical nuke will devestate Iranian assets...as well as ports, plants and navy installations. Bibi should send a message to Ahmad and his thugs.
35. Does anyone remember May 67?
Al   (02.16.11)
The signs are clearly there. Watch the nothern border as well as Egypt... Egypt can and will open a front against Israel as Israel was and is the boogy man as far as the Arab street is concerned. Also it would deflect attention from the MB and shore up the military in Egypt.. Egypt has cut off gas...They are not about to turn it on any time soon. Iran is in the wings,,,they are not showboating. They mean business Get ready...a healthy dose of paranoia is needed in order to survive in the ME. The winds of war is about to blow a storm.
36. Only enemy of Israel thinks Lieberman's concern unreasonable
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (02.16.11)
What I wrote earlier (#20) is only one aspect of the Iranian threat. What munitions and weaponry are the warships carrying to Syria--and Khizb-Allah? Israel took significant measures to discourage overland transport of weaponry to Khizb-Allah. Now, should Israel allow direct transport by sea? Soon the question will be transport of nukes to Syria and Khizb-Allah by sea! Further, infringing Israeli waters is only the beginning of a Salami Tactic. Will we sink the ships for infringing 10 meters? For 100 meters? For half a km? A km? When will we decide enough? If Iran is allowed to infringe at all they will begin the Salami Tactic like N. Korea does... until the same result occurs. Why do you think Iran is gathering intelligence about our ability and resolve to defend Israel and our waters? They're planning an eventual concerted attack and the world should be well apprised of their intentions every step. Video and document. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer & Orthodox Jew: Teimani, Baladi, Dor Dai Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming all who choose to keep Torah (When questions to me go unanswered, they have refused to post it. Find our reply in our Web Café at www.netzarim.co.il)
37. To Sarah: And if Iran Protects the Flotillas
Noah Lev ,   HollywoodUSA   (02.16.11)
To Sarah: w/o Egypt, Syria/Hez/Hamasa cannot make realistic war on Israel. But a nuke Iran, with Syria, Lebanon, Hez, Hamas..and a docile Egypt?), can create havoc. Israel's generals have said that the next war may be total. Wowowo AND Hez has rockets that can hit every part of Israel (nu?), The warships could be idverted to protect more flotillas, now that Turkey is in the Islamic camp ( they are demanding Israel apologize for mudering their 9 people-they claim within close range). And if Iran does protect, then what? Will Israel bomb their ships and start a war? Israel's avoidance of attacking Iran..is not unusual. But if a war, it can use satellites, rockets, cruise missiles, and 1megaton nukes.
38. We know her by her middle name
Ypip ,   Canada   (02.16.11)
39. The mad mullahs and the little bearded monkey
Brazen   (02.16.11)
tested the waters with their proxy turkey, but they failed tride and true.Now their actually going to test the IDF on the water again. I'll tell you the outcome, and it's not what your going to wanna hear but? iran will be put in their place for the world to SEE who made the first move?Most importantly who is going to make the last !!!
40. Let's be realistic
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (02.16.11)
The Iranian boats are not as well equipped as Sa'ar 3s, let alone anything better. They have no air defense system at all, just a couple of guns. These are floating targets nothing more
41. US lost mojo, and Iran/Russia prove it!
David Turner ,   Richmond, USA   (02.16.11)
Is Iran challenging Israel, yes. But peek behind the curtain and the real challenge Iran’s arms supplier and diplomatic protector, Russia. So the game afoot is not Iran/Israel, but Russia/America. While the Russian challenge cannot yet be called a “juggernaut,” and the US can still, at least for the moment, recoup the initiative, that is not how things are evolving. America’s limitations are not necessarily military, although since Viet Nam, via American support of the “democracy” movement that ousted our long-time strategic ally the shah of Iran in 1979 and continuing to mindlessly removing the only obstacle to Iranian ambitions in the Arabian Peninsula, Iraq (in service again of creating a “democracy”) to the recent support shown the Egyptian “democracy” protesters and the disposal of America’s long-time ally, President Mubarak ideology, not real world considerations, has driven US policy. And the result is that America’s long-time rival for Middle East control, Russia, is about to replace the more moral, but naïve United States. How can the US recoup its position in the region? After all, the region includes important global oil reserves; the Suez Canal which Iranian warships are now transiting for the first time; and just happens to be the geographic center of Europe, Asia and Africa. A heck of a strategic loss/gain to take into consideration. So what options are available to recoup the loss? I suppose taking leadership of previous allies in confronting the Iranian threat might just be a start point. Turkey would not be pulling out of the US orbit if they had faith in the US Defense Shield (which Bush tattered); the Saudis, who in WikiLeaks are described as advocating decapitating the Iranian snake, would not have allowed that Iranian flotilla to dock had they any faith in the US contra Iran. But Bush had no heart for war with Iran, not even to stop the nuclear threat. And his successor apparently has even less heart for that. And the reasons are obvious:two lost wars are enough. Enter the Russians. Three days ago, “Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said … that the US and Western allies should not stir up pro-democracy protests in the Middle East following the uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia… Lavrov warned against any attempts by other nations to fuel public dissent.” Of course Lavrov means, “Iran” and, taken in context to the Iranian navy visiting the Saudis, the Egyptians and Lebanon/Syria, the challenge to the US could not be more diplomatically blatant. Short of ordering the US out. Since Israel cannot order the US to take on its responsibilities to its own interests, to say nothing of its obligations to the region and the world as “the only remaining superpower,” Israel should be rethinking its own place in the American non-world view, and perhaps seeking out another alliance; perhaps with the emerging superpower?
42. Dear talkbackers, don't oversimplify.
Jules   (02.16.11)
What matters: it is Lieberman who has issued THE warning. No-one should be naive to think that in such matters the PM has his own opinion, but the FM has a different one. Since Lieberman is best known for his plain and straightforward expressions and actions, the meaning is simple: Israel is not going to show any "restraint" in dealing with the mortal threat.
43. This is provocation, but there is nothing
leo ,   usa   (02.16.11)
to be done unless those two ships will decide to become belligerent in any way however small. The best solution would be to intern those ships and exchange crews for Shalit and two US prisoners still in Iran.
44. on #5, moise
joel ,   usa   (02.16.11)
you don't keep yourself updated of the events, egypt has a peace treaty & military agreement with israel, ok; well, israel has submarines to "torpedo" those antique warships of iran/khamenei, so what's the big deal and israel has "nukes" it can erase Iran from the face of the planet, just in case!
45. 35 Does anyone remember May 67
JUDAH THE LION   (02.16.11)
Yes I do remember very well when Nasser was making threats to Israel and the EGYPTIANS army is ready for war. Yes he was ready for war and lost it in few hours.
46. To: Noah at No. 37
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (02.17.11)
Perhaps the best thing, then, would be for Israel to send several commercial cargo vessels that are nearing their scrap date through the Canal, with another vessel behind to collect the crews, and then scuttle the ships in the Canal. If done properly, it will take months to get the Canal operational again (remember 1973, when Egypt did precisely that once Israel had crossed the Canal?). If the object of the exercise is for Iran to make a big show of transiting the Suez Canal, they'll have to put off their plans for several months, by which time there may have been a sea change in the Middle East, in Egypt, or in Iran (or all three). If the object of the exercise is to sail warships to Syria, they're going to have to tack on several more months for the time it will take to round Cape Horn, sail up the African coastline and transit into the Med. Embarrassing, to say the least, and here, too, events may have changed drastically in the several months it will take to do that. Hezbollah is a terrorist proxy of Iran, and is most likely to follow Iran's directives, but Teheran did cut their funding significantly, so while Hezbollah may be willing to issue forth with stupid rhetoric, they may not be willing to launch physically against Israel, knowing full well what will happen (Israel gets a new northern border -- the Litani and Hezbollah and much of southern Lebanon gets destroyed). Turkey is trying to straddle both worlds -- improving ties with Iran and Syria while wanting to remain in NATO -- and that is not a situation likely to be tolerated for long; Turkey will be removed from NATO, and all those lucrative NATO bases will be closed and re-opened in strategic points in the Greek Aegean or further east in the equally strategic steppes. Turkey has not been tested militarily in any meaningful way since Galipoli. That was a very long time ago. Invading a defenseless Cyprus and killing Kurds is not a credible military test. I don't see Turkey as a player -- unless they are extraordinarily stupid, they will realize that it is in their very best interests to sit this one out. Which leaves Iran. Iran talks a great game, but their military is not that good, and it is not entirely clear how much the regular military supports the regime. I have noted with interest that whenever Iran needs to put down a protest, they do not use their regular military; they use the Revolutionary Guard only. And the protests in Iran are growing, and will continue to grow, and if most of the Revolutionary Guard is taxed with keeping those protests down (especially if Iran's leadership doesn't particularly trust the Iranian military), it is in Iran's best interests to maintain an extremely low profile. The overarching fact to always keep in mind is that Israel is a nuclear power with an impressive array of delivery systems at its disposal. That is the one constant, no matter what the scenario. The Chinese have a curse: "May you live in interesting times." We do.
47. 40
zionist forever   (02.17.11)
Two boats I agree are not a threat but while this is a stunt next time it could be for real and with more ships. Iran has a much bigger and better equipped navy than Israel does.
48. 25- what exactly did the israeli submarines do
Dave   (02.17.11)
in iranian waters? sightseeing? are you saying iran needs to wait for israel to launch first? and, take the pills honey, quick.
49. it's just a claim
david   (02.17.11)
all i read is a claim that two ships "*planned" to send ships. where's the proof? spoof is readily explained from both perspectives: the arab spring 2011.
50. Another blockade breach?
Dan ,   Canada   (02.17.11)
This time it will be more difficult to stop em
51. #4 - you are the idiot
izzie irgun ,   zion   (02.17.11)
anyone who thinks that israel s let 2 iranian ships dock in syria is a true idiot. what do you think they are birnging , wine and cheese. i am constantly amazed how blind to realtiy and unwilling to confront it the left can be, Liebermans only fault is that he speaks the truth all the time instead of some of the time as most politiicans do. the irans are looking for a fight to stop the protests at home and if it requires a confrontation with Israel they will go for it. they keep thinking that hezbollah is really going to beat the IDF ... the syrians will stay on the sidelines being as dupicitous as they are.
52. And exaclty what R U going to do about it cowboy?
IRAN#1   (02.17.11)
Let's hear it buddy!!!!! Just stay quite and nobody will be hurt. I am liking this new Egypt alread :)
53. Liberman go home no ones laughing anymore
Avi ,   Israel   (02.17.11)
Yes lets leave Liberman in charge the former night club bouncer with any luck he will start world war 3 !
54. gregg from haifa #28, et al
David Frank ,   Haifa, Israel   (02.17.11)
get out of haifa and go live in gaza with your friends... the thug terrorsits who kidnap and kill pregnant women... you idiot
55. To Sarah B at 46 / 2nd try
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (02.17.11)
A book that would interest you on the Revolutionary Guard is...A Time To Betray: The Astonishing Double Life Of A CIA Agent In the Revolutionary Guards Of Iran, by Reza Kahlili. Your library may have it, mine did. It was published fairly recently. My apologies if this got posted twice, I lost my internet connection just as I was sending the first one.
56. to #54
Gregg ,   Haifa, IL   (02.17.11)
Well, catch me if you can.... meanwhile I stay here...
57. #52
Iranian Jew ,   LA   (02.17.11)
Read the news again, B.S. boy! The ships will not go through. All talk and no back bone. We all know each other too well, my Iranian friend. We Iranians are just full of hot air and BS.
58. To: Eaglebeak at No. 55
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (02.17.11)
Thank you for the suggestion. I am an avid reader, and this will be a perfect addition to my new Kindle (it took a while, but I caved in. I've been known to walk around with two or three books -- something tactile about turning pages -- but the prospect of walking around with a thousand books or more in a one-pound thing was just too seductive to resist!) Thanks again.
59. To: No. 48 - Second Attempt
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (02.17.11)
Scoping out the port of Bandar Abbas, darling. Two Iranian vessels carrying arms intended for Hezbollah met with a big accident, and sank shortly after leaving Bandar Abbas. Oh dear. Maritime "accidents" are truly tragic. But so frequent.
60. Obama will not help Israel
JUDAH THE LION   (02.17.11)
If the Iranian warship anchor at the International water in front of Gaza, surely Israel will do something about it. Surely Israel have a plan for these monster
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