Opinion
Europe’s grave failure
Manfred Gerstenfeld
Published: 21.02.11, 12:55
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1. Many Jews were celebrating Switzerland's minaret ban,
rachel ,   galut   (02.21.11)
forgetting that Switzerland has banned kosher slaughter over 100 years ago ( in attempt to prevent Jews from settling in their country ), and has never revoked the ban. Mr. Gerstenfeld is right on the spot. As much as we prefer to close our eyes to the truth, our values, religion and way of life are as alien and disliked by most Europeans as Muslims and Islam are. Only completely assimilated Jew is acceptable ( in their opinion), Jew who will not wear kippah or any religious clothing item in public, Jew who will accept treyf meat and so on.
2. Europe is a vast place with millions of happy Jews,article
Michael Goldberg ,   London   (02.21.11)
flawed. Its not all about us (Jews). Must be be made feel to live in fear even if not all of us are??! The UK Jewish population is actually growing (orthodox), and heavily undercounted in the census. As with many things in Amercia for instance, they can be bigger, as are anti semetic attacks. Such as shootings of Jews at Holocaust museums, failed bombs at synagogues,. I can go on but will not.
3. Islam's effect on anti-semitism
Uri ,   Brussels, Belgium   (02.21.11)
I must agree with Mr. Gerstenfeld on one thing - the emergence of Islam in Europe is directly connected to the rise of antisemitism. I speak so from my own experience. While I do not have a better solution in mind, I do not find that I fully agree with Mr. Gerstenfeld's article. Call it a hunch.
4. Multiculturalism
jorge el judio ,   Israel/USA/Argentina   (02.21.11)
It did not fail, what fail was giving too much power to the fanatic and aligning in the policies
5. Muslim subversion
Frank ,   Canada   (02.21.11)
Multiculturalism failed because of Muslim subversion. Multiculturalism works with Asians or South Americans. Right now, Muslims are moving forward and trying to subvert democracy.
6. The author is very right about Europe ...
berlonski ,   berlin   (02.21.11)
... but you can read the article also the other way round. "That delay in understanding embodies another crucial lesson for Europe. It took the top leaders of Israel 63 years of their own state, but they still do not understand the causes of major negative developments in their own country, which took place in their presence. It underlines that their judgment on issues of essential importance cannot be trusted. European politicians should not be shy about saying so. It is one of many strong arguments in explaining why Israel, which has followed erroneous policies for so long at home, is now doing the same regarding the situation in Europe."
7. The author forgets...
Misha ,   Tel Aviv   (02.21.11)
... that Israeli govt. policies, its continued failure to come up with a peace deal, its continued, unrelenting humiliation of the Palestinians, its arrogance etc. etc. also contributes mightily to how others see us. The writer needs to adjust his irrelevant, tired, old, conservatism in which Israel is the eternal victim. Enough already, WE create our own destiny. And, by the way, why "autochthonous" when "local" or "native" will do just fine?
8. Turkey, a model
Raphael ,   Netanya   (02.21.11)
The Turks gave us a lesson of efficient multiculturalism. Ask the Armenians, the Greeks, the Kurds. Besides, the turkish immigrants in Europe are the most aggressive supporters of (provisional) multiculturalism.
9. We are happy Jews in EU, despite Israel and Manfred
Mihai-Robert Soran ,   EU   (02.21.11)
I really can't understand why this arrogant ignorant is given so much publishing space in Ynet. He may have published lots of books, but their real value was and is derisory. Mr. Gerstenfeld lives in his own mentally distorted cocoon. Being a philosemit doesn't balance out being a fascist masquerading as an ultra-conservative democrat.
10. Words of truth rachel, #1
Ken ,   Switzerland   (02.21.11)
11. # 7 and 9
Sagi   (02.21.11)
Mr. Gerstenfeld is anything but ignorant. He happens to be a very learned person with many degrees and fluent in several languages. Autochthenous does not mean local or native, it means much more than this. It means original as in first, those who formed and created,those who built. Disagree if you will but using an ad hominem only proves your ignorance and inability to respond with a solid argument.
12. #9 Mazel Tov
nr ,   los angeles, usa   (02.22.11)
Glad you are happy, but Mr. Gerstenfeld isn't the only one saying this about Europe. What he and others have said is that those Jews who are happy in Europe are very assimilated - meaning, lack a connection to their culture.
13. To 7 and 9
Paris ,   Paris France   (02.21.11)
I am Jewish, born in Algeria, 45yo, living in what used to be France and what is slowly becoming a muslim country. You are so frikkin naive in your comments that it is desperate. I just wish you that life treats you nice, but a lot of our brother never thought (WW1 hero vet) that they would end in a gas chamber. Just wake up and see the real world, instead of hidding behind a reassuring but fake reality. If the arabs were willing to accept Israel, it would have been a long time ago that peace would have take place. And of course, the Hamas charter that plans to destroy Israel is only a naive sweet dream that can be condoned.
14. european mohammedans laughed
sweeter than honey ,   far away   (02.22.11)
when jews got the short end of the stick (the passages in the koran concerning jews have nothing to do with jewish nationalism or israel and would be the same ideology with or without israel), often aided and abetted by european vested interests as well as israeli interests wanting to make europe a place where jews come from rather than go to. should i bother to be different?, i'll probably not bother. neither will i be impressed by the sudden interest in democracy (they say and not a shia takeover bid), nor will i fail to evolve, as Rabbi Darwin has informed me is the true secret of survival (and not faith).
15. I wouldn't bash immigrants, most of you are immigrants
Dan ,   Israel   (02.22.11)
to the middle east. Zionist colonizing immigrants, but immigrants still.
16. The way Prof. Gerstenfeld
FG   (02.22.11)
ridiculus Europe and its leading countries is only to be commended. If anything, his language of criticism is only too mild. Sadly, virtually all Europe's leaders are unimaginative nincompoops, many bordering on betraying their very own peoples, nations, countries, civilization. Definitely not to be truested. The handful few trivializing the threat and bashing him are not only lacking proper arguements, but often self-haters themselves. Europe is to be rejected by Israel in its own best existential long term interests. We have a long memory...
17. Gerstenfeld is Israel Lobby at its worst.
crackerjack   (02.22.11)
...and the Israel Lobby want's Israel's conflict exported to the streets of Europe. All European right wing islamobhobe groups have strong contacts to radicl Zionists and are welcome guests in Israel. Sorry Zionism, but your "conflict" is not ours, neither do you share our values. A european.
18. Europe is reaping what it sowed and I'm laughing
Larry ,   NY/IL   (02.22.11)
19. #18 and europe laughs at the mega mosque on ground zero
Liona Hertz ,   Monaco   (02.22.11)
Hypocrite Larry
20. Overlooked is their breeding rate and 4 wives
Sid ,   London UK   (02.23.11)
Far to overlooked is that Muslims can have 4 wives, even in Europe, so their rate of reproduction is 4 times greater than the average EU family. Added to this is the high birth rate per women of about 5 live births. So a Muslim EU family can have as many as 20 children as opposed to the average EU 2.5 children per family - very frightrning - especially when the Muslims are supported by the state
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