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Moment of truth for leftists
Assaf Wohl
Published: 12.03.11, 23:39
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1. Doesn't matter if idiot or racist - destined for extinction
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (03.12.11)
These types of leftists are going to disappear. And it's happening faster in Israel than elsewhere. Look at the Knesset. Labor is down to fewer than 10 seats, and Meretz won't make it into the next Knesset. Barak and his splitters simply won't be elected at all, and Labor will be lucky if it holds on to 8 seats. Labor and Meretz aren't useful idiots, nor are they anti-semites. They're just plain old idiots. They have reduced themselves to one-issue only: the Palestinian cause. Since most Israelis see the Palestinian leaders for what they are (anti-Israel warmongers who refuse to negotiate peace), why would anybody vote for people whose only purpose in life is to embrass "peace partners" who murder our children and babies?
2. Idiot
AbY ,   Canada   (03.12.11)
The first idiot would be the author of this article for having the nerve to exploit this tragic mass murder to score some political debating points. He should be ashamed of himself.
3. The Answer Is Simple. Get Out Of West Bank
World Citizen ,   the world   (03.12.11)
Quit stealing Palestinian land. The Palestinians are the rightful owners. Your settlers are illegal colonists in occupied territory. Tell them to go back to pre-1967 Israel. Problem solved. And don't go telling me about what your invisible Sky Daddy told you in some "holy book". Mythical mumbo-jumbo means nothing to us.
4. They are neither of the two.
Jules   (03.13.11)
The answer to the question "who they are" will come clear after the financial sources of their activities are exposed to the nation. The law which is currently going through the Knesset is long overdue.
5. a few inconvenient truths for the author
R. Coyner ,   usa   (03.13.11)
1.Israeli soldiers and settlers routinely kill innocent Palestinians and nothing happens. Countless children and women have been killed by Israeli bombs and guns. Israeli soldiers use kids as human shields. 2. No one would condemn Israel for building the fence if it were built on Israeli land. But it is used as yet another excuse to steal land from the Palestinians. 3. The occupation is illegal and immoral. This is what your "leftists" protest against and rightfully so. If Israel had defined borders and wasn't oppressing 3 million people and stealing their land, I doubt anyone would pay attention. 4. Israel is a democratic state. However, in the occupied lands it acts more like an apartheid state with two sets of laws - one for Jews and one for the indigenous people. 5. Demonization of the people you hate - leftists, idiots, Palestinians, whatever, show you to be a fanatic and an idiot yourself.
6. aparthied
yesright   (03.13.11)
Some one broke through a barier and killed five persons! Why was the barrier there and what were the people doing behind the barrier?
7. Jew haters
Herb Glatter ,   Hood River, Oregon   (03.13.11)
8. #3 Your world means nothing to US.
Akiva   (03.13.11)
Sorry buddy, Hashem runs our World, we will keep building, flourishing, taking back OUR land. And there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
9. yes but
bob   (03.13.11)
this is all good but ultimately these arguments don't get out there 'cos only the leftist are talking and going around speaking. Zionists don't pay speakers to go around.. Zionists don't have academics with -websites- making speeches. Leftists have Finkelstein, Galloway, Chomsky.. Our right wing heros aren't activists. We have great people, like ephraim karsh.. but we organize no debates. We have mordechai kedar, but why not have him debate people and have it on youtube. And Benny Morris. there isn't much..Let's have good people debate leftists on video. We need more than articles.
10. Terrific article
Joe ,   Israel   (03.13.11)
Perfectly shows the double-tongued left.
11. What is ynetnews coming to?
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (03.13.11)
How dare they publish a perfectly truthful article. The TBers that are upset are not useful idiots, they fall into the latter category.
12. so let me get this straight
jim ,   us   (03.13.11)
The non Muslims of Brussels London Paris and Malmo are about to be massacred.......... you would think this would make news in these countries but not a peep..
13. #3#5
carlos ,   U.S.A.   (03.13.11)
Nothing justifies killing or support this murder act as you are doing. You are instruimental to these murderers. # 5 you have all you info upside down. The Arabs have killed 22,000 Israelis with their aggresive wars and terrorism that was stopped with the fence. GO AND WRITE YOUR GARBAGE DIATRIBES IN AL-JAZEERA OR DER SPIEGEL or the guardian, IT'S MORE BECOMING TO NAZOIDS ANTISEMITES LIKE YOU. JUDEA AND SAMARIA IS JEWISH LAND ROBBED BY ARABS.
14. Jew haters
Herb Glatter ,   Hood River, Oregon   (03.13.11)
Assaf congratulations for this truth telling article. all one has to do is read the comments or talkbacks on any website to see the hatred of Jews. Whatever immunity existed after Auschwitz is long gone. One day please write about our own traitors. i have tried to reason with some of them to no avail. i cannot afford to lose hope and quit due to the responsibilities i have for my children and grandchildren.
15. #3 decided it is not an idiot.
Golan ,   Modiin   (03.13.11)
the west bank is everything west of the Jordan river, that includes Tel Aviv. So by #3's argument, had the murder been committed in Tel Aviv that too would be justified. So murdering a baby, a toddler and a child is moral. That would mean #3 is no idiot, just a blood thirsty anti Semite.
16. Assaf you are a true idiot
maik ,   berlin   (03.13.11)
one doesn't need to be leftist in order to value life on the other side too. Murder is never right, no matter if in Itamar or through "war on terror". When people criticize things that are not OK in the country you cannot call them idiots or Anti-Semites! Infact one could call you an Anti-semit, because just beeing born a Jew doesn't make you be one. True Judaism is not about hatred or narrow-mindedness as you spill out in this article. Next time think before you write such non-sense!
17. totally correct
Steve ,   London   (03.13.11)
This article is spot on. These leftist Israel haters are actually both idiots and anti-semites.
18. 3 world citizen
jorge stern ,   mexico   (03.13.11)
to the jihadists all of israel is 'occupied' 'occupation' is in the minds of those who hate
19. bleeding hearts
marv   (03.13.11)
i try to avoid labels and realize that military does not solve everything. However, based on history and experience, israel- 1) must control its own borders, no nato which is gutless anyways and couldn't stop a well armed arab or US which is burned out and has no stomach. 2) It must have defensible borders and so jordan valley it is and ereckat and abbas can say no, they can go to hell and its not occupied. it is claimed through war and history-end of story. 3)the arab argument with israel is its existence and has nothing to do with 67 . it plays the 67 theme to european hearts who want to placate its restless arab citizens at israel's expense. 4) Those followers of rabin and labour and the over to kadima and meretz should explain their record of humiliiation, death and that they are really headed towards a confederation with arab sharing in all ministries. Arabs and israelis cannot share ministries and power unless arabs swear and prove allegiance to israel(excepting druse and bedouin loyal to israel). the ginsbergs, beilins, ben meirs, livnis these are the weak jews with bleeding hearts and what I read from them is subservience to the US and weakness. And if israelis should not be stupid enough to buy their prescriptions. Bibi is no picnic but is light years better than those cowards who are afraid of arabs.
20. Assaf Wohl, I know you mean well, however
Marcella   (03.13.11)
It's about time we all went beyond this Left versus Right script that the Israeli elite have put in place. The truth? Both the Left and the Fake Right are guilty of undermining Israel. THE LEFT is more open and easy to identify. Although they still use euphemisms such as Peace when they really mean Full Surrender, they generally don't moderate their language. You more or less know where they stand. THE RIGHT - with the exception of the National Union - is notorious for being spineless, fickle, and deceitful. Oh, they say all the right things. Their speeches are superb, moving, filled with the Zionist spirit. The reality behind their words? Very different. They keep giving your land away to the Arabs, depriving your country of sovereignty and self-respect, and degrading the Zionist vision that drove so many Jews to work so hard and even sacrifice their lives for the sake of a Jewish Israel. The fake right wing must be unmasked. Any further talk perpetuating the myth of Left-bad, Right-good will be fatal for Israel. Let's not fall for that act of deception formulated so that Jews won't notice how they're being fleeced of their legitimate right to the land.
21. Good column
Jake ,   USA   (03.13.11)
22. great article-Aby re-read it!!!
David ,   Canada   (03.13.11)
the author has to be commended on a great article and the great insight into the circumstaces . people especially like Aby are "useful idiots" who could learn some history,others are antisemites who will learn nothing from an article not fitting into the hateful mind
23. oi, come on !!!
jojo ,   Jerusalem   (03.13.11)
first off - slitting the throat of a baby in its sleep is unjustifiable, no matter how many checkpoints you were delayed in, and how badly you want to control the borders of your independent state. roger waters specifically is truly an idiot, which is evident when you hear him talking about the middle east, but you cannot say that any critic of the fence is an idiot/antisemite. if the fence was built on the green line OR an alternative route agreed upon by both sides, nobody would've said anything. but it goes into the west bank, for expropriation purposes and settlement expansions - not security. this kind of one-sided creation of facts in future Palestine is no act of peace, and stands against the Oslo accords, and international law. of course, you will find people that would deny the basic idea of any Israeli self defence, and they're nuts. you're pointing at a valid point, but why this timing? you are exploiting fresh blood to push your populistic, blind, nationalist agendas. there is a problem with islamistic and traditional antisemitism when it comes to Israel debate. but you can't shut off any critical discussion with your crude, rude, hysterical nonsense. europe is not on the verge of being slaughtered by islamists, although you'd love that. it would fit so nicely to your paranoid overview. some monsters in gaza are celebrating the slaugther of babies. i also remember some monsters in israel hooting at the bombers in the gaza war, when they knew civilians are inevitably dying. now you may say unintentional harming of civilians is different than terrorism, which is true - however the sheer joy from the death of innocents reflects the same rotten demon. and it exists in our society more than we would care to admit. i mean, if you're saddened by deaths of innocents in gaza but find it unavoidable and believe it to be minimal, okay - but if the thought makes you happy - you're a reflection of the most radical, sadist hamas ideologist. the bottom line is - self defence is legitimate, even in the west bank, until it becomes Palestine through a peace treaty. anything other than that (i.e. settlements, land grabs and discrimination) is illegitimate. it's that simple.
24. @3 "us"?
Fred Bloggs ,   Amsterdam   (03.13.11)
Who is your "us"? Who have you been chosen to represent? I speak for myself. I support the Geneva Accord. This is a step in the reconciliation with the Palestinians, who also have a right to their own state. However I know that this will not solve the problem of terrorism. You see in your mythical mumbo jumbo of disjointed infantile opinions you forget that most Muslims do not accept the existence of the state of Israel. The return to the pre-1967 borders is not going to change this. Are you old enough to have marched in support of the Khmer Rouge?
25. As a leftist I am as sad as you
maik ,   berlin   (03.13.11)
about this coward and bestial murder. But don't use it as a campaign against Leftist people. We'll never accept or tolerate such terror either !!! Don't mix up things in your blind rage!
26. hey assaf, read this
noam ,   Jerusalem   (03.13.11)
saying that we as the "left" encourage such murderous acts, is like saying you as the "non-left" encourages Baruch Goldsteins. watch your mouth, buddy. words can kill.
27. as if pre 67' israel got only love..
pacmen   (03.13.11)
28. Its relieving to know that some people in Ynet
American Sabrah ,   Givas Shmilkeh   (03.13.11)
have not stooped to the lowest journalistic tactics such as CNN,BBC,Al Jazeera, and those other left wing anti semitic Israel bashing, Arab terrorist sympathizing media networks which I will never read from again. It doesn't surprise me that the world is silent on this unwarranted gruesome murder because the victims were Jews and not Arabs of an IDF raid. If anything, they like to seem more atrocities committed against our people and we cannot let them prevail. Jewish lives are too precious to be wasted. Furthermore, I feel that Israel should reinstate the death penalty to Arab terrorists. That culture glorifies death while we celebrate and value life. That is what sets us apart from the rest of the world.
29. # 23 Jojo, it's even more simple.
Jules   (03.13.11)
There are NO green (or any other) lines on the maps of "palestine" published by the PA and taught at their schools. If you still have any doubts, read the PLO and HAMAS political charters.
30. Leave the West Bank
Sérgio ,   Brazil   (03.13.11)
Exactly, only that you prick got it wrong: palestinians should leave the WB and move to their real country, Jordan. There they can plan their next defeat against Israel.
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