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Poland slammed for halting restitution plans
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Published: 16.03.11, 07:54
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1. Poland should model their property restitution
seadog1946 ,   ArthurKill, NJ   (03.16.11)
plan on the exemplary plan that Israel has implemented to resolve property issues with the displaced Palestinians.
2. about time
jay ,   kiryat shmoni   (03.16.11)
look the second world war was bad for everyone, its about time the european powers stopped paying its been approx. 66 years now how much longer do u think they are going to continue paying. Plus now you know how the palestinians feel after their lands were taken from them in 48
3. restitution
A Shvitzer ,   Israel   (03.16.11)
What do you expect from these people.They were as bad as the Nazis and greedy for what their neighbours the Jews had.They were responsible for murdering many Jews many who had lived and grown up with them.Basically they were a bunch of animals.Why does anyone think they will compensate anyone?
4. Restitution is needed
Jo ,   Warsaw   (03.16.11)
About 3#... Strange thing... I thought the rules of this page are: "Comments containing incitement, slander, racist slurs and inappropriate language deemed to violate our terms of use won't be published." Isn't calling a whole nation "a bunch of animals" exactly that? People like you are the reason why many people here get nervous when somebody says about what SOME people in Poland have done. You know nothing about the situation in Poland. BTW, restitution is a completely different matter, it's about everything that communists stole, mostly to Poles. Our government is a very bad one, indeed, it's a shame they don't want to solve the problem once and for all. Our prime minister and his people made an enormous debt and the whole budget is collapsing, but they still have enough money to enlarge their own expenses.
5. A. Shvitzer , Israel... you are a low life!
Jay ,   Boston, MA - US   (03.16.11)
@A. Shvitzer , Israel What a racist comment that was!!! It really shows how malevolent the jews really are. Poland should NOT pay a cent... the same way Israel is not compensating the Palestinians for their losses in 1948. Poles saved so many jews from the Nazis, and risked their lives to do so, and this is the thanks they get. Why don't you look at Yad Vashem Memorial, most of the honored there are Poles!!! .
6. Jews and Arabs vis-a-vis Poland
solomon ,   bklyn   (03.16.11)
1. The Jews did not attack Poland. The arabs DID attack Israel. Israel acknowledges Poland's right to exist. The arabs do NOT acknowledge Israel's right to exist. The Jews do not teach children hatred of all Poles and that they should be killed. The arabs DO teach children hatred of all Jews and that they should be killed. The Jews are not at war with Poland. The arabs ARE at war with Israel and call for it's annihilation. 2. Poles were the second worst anti-semites to the nazis. Many of them saved Jewish lives (Thank G-d) but most helped the nazis.
7. Poles should compensate
Frits ,   Netherlands   (03.16.11)
This goes without saying, what was stolen from jews should be returned or compensated for. The poles are blaming the communists apparently, but with hundreds of millions of euros of EU money going to Poland they SHOULD find a way to come up with the money. Or they are complete bastards. I could not care less about palestinians, those here that think their situation is the same as the jews are wrong. Israel is the original homeland of the jews and if they cannot live elsewhere on this planet as is clear the palestinians should move over. This again shows why a european with half a brain should be anti-EU, it is ruled by incompetent people who are fascist in their behaviour. Their motto seems to be "we waste your tax money like no one else".
8. restitution #4
Shayna Gezunt ,   UK   (03.16.11)
You need to understand your past maybe your people don't want you to know the truth.Your people killed in cold blood many Jews for no reason and then took valuable and property .Dont blame the communists much misery was caused by Poles.Even after the war my father went back to Poland to his home town having survived the holocaust and was threatened with murder by POLES.So he came to the UK.
9. Restitution could be a moral obligation
Michael ,   California, USA   (03.16.11)
If Poland will feel morally obligated to pay restitution money to Israel, I am sure they will do so and Israel will be grateful. But Israel cannot and should not lower itself to demanding restitution payments. Poland has saved Jews many times in its history for over one thousand years. When Western Europe was kicking Jews out, Poland gave them a shelter. It was a win-win situation for Jews and the Polish nation, but still, the doomed people were the Jews and Poland saved them, not the other way around. While Jews have a lot to be grateful for to Poland, including for the clarifications Pope John Paul II provided that led to ending antisemitic dogmas of the Catholic church, there certainly were many instances when Polish citizens killed Jews or betrayed them to the Nazis, for instance. Certainly, sixty five years after the end of W.W.II Poland's first concern correctly lies with protecting its citizens who now own or reside on disputed properties of former Jewish owners. This is how Israel is acting also when it disallows clams by former Arab owners to lands within Israel. It will be best to continue the good relations between Poland and Israel on a mutually respectful basis as in the past twenty years. It can continue to be on the basis of honorable behavior and with moral compatibility.
10. 4 - ??? ,...
split   (03.16.11)
"it's a shame they don't want to solve the problem once and for all" - They just did it and I'm glad to hear that sucking sound going away, to tell you the truth tonight I'll pop a bottle of wine that I was saving for this day. Communal properties were given back or paid off, (sometimes twice like the yeshiva in Lublin). The courts are still open for private claims and if you have a case supported by documents you'll get your property back without holocaust industry stealing "their" share as a middle man. Note that this move as a one more sign that Jewish influence and grip by US proxy beyond US borders is deteriorating and hopefully soon in between too,...
11. To A Shvitzer
filips ,   Krakow   (03.17.11)
In my opinion you live in a former palestinian not restitiued home. Thats becouse you ara so disturbed, furios and..... Lern, reed and try to understand the world
12. restitution
rita   (03.17.11)
There was no Polish government after th war. All top government officials were Jews with the premier who 'served' for 20 years. A Holokaust survivor Mr.Cyrankiewicz- Cymerman was a Jew, and people responsible for 'parcelations' and taking properties from the 'bourgoise' were all Jews.
13. #11
Janice Levy ,   US   (03.17.11)
What is there to understand?The Polish people benefited greatly from the death of the Jews . Many towns where Jews lived including my family were cleared of Jews'. they were sometimes the majority population and who took their property and possessions?So don't you try to tell Jewish people that we need to understand the world. You and your people feel guilty because your prosperity came on the blood of Jews.Also Jews were always living in Israel for thousands of years the Palestinians came from Arabia much later .So you need to learn how to spell, read history and learn the real facts in the world.
14. 13 - including my family were cleared of Jews' ,...
split ,   US   (03.17.11)
Have a case ? Get yourself a lawyer and prove it in the court of law or shut up if you don't or can't ,...
15. Leave it alone
Southern Man ,   North Carolina, USA   (03.17.11)
The Polish people's punishment is that they have to live in Poland. A dark, cultureless, and souless grave yard.
16. #14
Janice Levy ,   US   (03.18.11)
You are an anti-semite and holocaust denier especially the way you say" prove it".I dont want the Poles to give me a penny . I just want them to accept the fact that many towns full of Jews were killed enabling the Poles to move in and grab what they could.Understand?
17. no to payouts...
tod ,   US   (03.18.11)
If some jews do have a valid claim then let'm get a lawyer and prove it in court. Not through some holocaust industry group.
18. Get over it.
Get over it. ,   Cambridge, MA ... US   (03.18.11)
@ Janice Levy , US it's not that anyone is a holocaust denier... is that most people don't care including me... Get over it. I did not see jews try to save any Rwandans or recognize the Armenian Genocide.
19. To the one who said Poland has no culture...
DC   (03.18.11)
You have abviously never been to Poland to say it's dark, cultureless. Idiot. Stay in you redneck Carolinas and keep dreaming of the culture you have
20. Fritz
USA   (03.18.11)
That's a very German name... Did Holland give any restitution money to the Jews that were killed during WW2?
21. To J. Levy
USA   (03.18.11)
I don't think the person is a denier. I think he meant to say that if the family has evidence of owning a property they can go to local court to receive it. Please don't manipulate and make it to that issue, no one who lives in Poland or has been to Poland denies WW2 and concentration camps existed. But there have been a lot of cases of forged documents claiming that property were owned. I just think Poles are not malicious enough to publicize that.
22. No pay out
(03.18.11)
Most survivors are gone now. Remeber Poland was attacked by Germany and Russia. Concentration camps were run by Nazis, people were killed by Nazis. West then sold not just Poland but the whole east bolck to Stalin. For those who say Poles got rich by deaths of Jews, you have no idea. First came Germans who stole from Poland and Poles, then came the Russian. Sorry Poles did not prosper from the war, they lost a lot, just like all in the time of war. Get over it. It's history!
23. #16, American Indians forgave, relax on their territory now.
Michael ,   California, USA   (03.18.11)
24. to frits @7
saszka ,   boston us   (03.19.11)
I have to remind you, that your country was occupied by Germany like Poland but your people formed two SS Divisions /25 thousands/ people, which combat against my people, Russian Army on the East Front, is mean that Nederland also participated in Holocaust. I never heard this same about polish.
25. To All
April ,   Melbourne   (03.19.11)
For all the American Jews whinging about Poles not willing to pay I copied in the link to the agreeement between Poland and USA where Poland is obligated to pay US$ 2,000,000 for 20 years to the US government. It was up to US to distribute the money to those who had rights to make valid claims. http://www.msz.gov.pl/index.php?document=2 . The link has been made publik by the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Similar agreements were signed with other western countires at that time. Apart from that West Germany also paid large amount of money to US and Israel for lost Jewish properties during WWII. I am aware that most of the victims did not receive a penny as all went to the Government agencies etc, but they should claim the money from the US or Israeli gvnts now.
26. Ynet editor agenda...
Todd ,   Boston, MA - US   (03.22.11)
Why is entry 4. "Restitution is Needed" highlighted... can't you editors at Ynet just post theses comment's without a personal agenda!!!???
27. Not so fast, mates!
Tadeusz ,   Poland   (03.22.11)
I am not an anti-Semite but I have to write some critical words to Jewish people. You think only the Jews lost their property (real estates, houses, businesses) in Poland? Then you are wrong. A lot of Poles lost it too. My non-Jewish ancestors lost a ground and a house after World War 2 as many other Poles because of communist “Bierut’s decree”. And there is little chance for restitution. Bolesław Bierut (Polish), Hilary Minc (Jewish), Jakub Berman (Jewish) were the leadership-trio of Poland in dreadful 1940s and 50s and obedient servants of Stalin. They were responsible for red terror, murders of AK-members (AK - Home Army, Polish patriotic military resistance that fought against Germans during WW2) etc. There were also many other Jewish VIPs in Polish post-war establishment e.g.: Roman Romkowski, Józef Światło, Anatol Fejgin, general Wacław Komar, Józef Różański, Julia Brystiger, Helena Wolińska, Mieczysław Mietkowski. All responsible for communist brutal terror. The communists wanted to eliminate private property but at the same time it was no problem for them to live in luxury, bourgeois villas and apartments robbed from rightful owners, drive Western cars, import caviar and French champagnes in hard times when many Poles suffered from starvation. Do I blame Jewish people for communist slavery over Poland? Of course not. So Jewish people from Israel, US and other countries, stop accusing Poles and other nations of anti-Semitism. In Poland, we mind our own business, we have our own everyday-troubles, and we have more interesting things to do than being anti-Semites. You have to understand that the world doesn’t revolve only around you and accept the fact that many times in the world history Jews were not "good guys" or "angels".
28. Ynet editior agenda...
Todd ,   Boston, MA - US   (03.28.11)
Thanks, for proving my point that some Ynet editors are manipulating the comments. As I noted earlier you highlighted comment # 4, but after my earlier post in which I called you out on that it was changed, and now comment # 3 is highlighted in red. You guys are just to smart for us goym... oh, not very smart when you highlight a comment with racist overtones made by a jewish Israeli!!!
29. an explanation, please
Joan   (03.31.11)
I would like to discuss it in detail. Explain whay you mean by " souless graveyeard" and please tell me what should be polish people punished for? Were you hurt by polish nation? I guess so otherwise its throwing accusations in the air. i am able to give a full expalnation of polish- jewish relationship. greetings
30. God bless you
joan   (03.31.11)
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