Peace with our enemies
Eitan Haber
Published: 17.03.11, 18:04
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1. Don't let a little baby stabbing
Rachel ,   US   (03.17.11)
get in the way of a peace signing ceremony.
2. Peace with our enemies
Jack ,   LA, USA   (03.17.11)
I can't believe that Eitan Haber has never learned from history. And the lesson is that peace with enemies is only possible after an overwhelming defeat. Israeli leftist government has never allowed the IDF to completely defeat it's enemies. Either by naivety or purposely, which is worse. Bibi, despite his rhetoric turned out to be a wimp and must be replaced by a real leader. Unfortunately, I can't name one. Obviously, people have the government they deserve. I hope that Israeli people wake up before it's too late.
3. A platitude whose basis is an illogical fallacy.
JMK ,   NYC   (03.17.11)
4. "a year of truce" What year ? What truce ?
Amihai ,   Yesha   (03.17.11)
Can't belive this. So quick to forget for instance the attacks on cars only 6 months ago, where four people (the parents of 6 children, a pregnant woman and another man) were murdered. And obviously he ignores all the missed terror attacks. Without speaking of the attacks froms gaza... I this guy really living here, on the planet Earth ???
5. those smolanim
mme ,   il   (03.17.11)
those smolanim they never learn... it's amazing. I think he should move to Gaza and try to make peace there by himself - ByeBye!
6. "the lull in terrorism was a Palestinian decision"
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (03.17.11)
Uh, no. It was the security fence.
7. Peace
MG ,   New Jersey, USA   (03.17.11)
Peace with an enemy is a difficult choice. The same Japan that attacked Pearl Harbor made peace with the same USA that dropped 2 atomic bombs. Although, I do agree with # 2; peace with an enemy is much easier after a decissive military victory. That is why Israel should have listened to Wetzman and made peace in 1967.
8. haber needs help and fast
mohson   (03.17.11)
Yes the arabs have reduced their rocket fire cause bibi hits them right back, the fence reduces some would be's and so on. Arabs reduced their onslaught because they are fearful of liberman,yaalon and peled and rightly so. No one ever said there would be 0 casualties in life. What happens from time to time is gruesomebut tolerable. Haber's argument extends to hitler-he's bad but we must make peace with him cause as olmert (who never fought along with haber)said, we are tired of fightting- I can't take it anymore. if haber was rabin's advisor, frankly, it doesn't reflect well on rabin cause haber is sick. israel may have to gone on for 1000 years with low level pain but survive as shamir said. Haber and olmert who never did any of the heavy lifting cannot take the pressure so make concessions, beg them for peace. No no no-if its not real forget it . All you can have is armistice arrangements like cold war. After 6 millioin wwere killed, the message was never again and that jews have to fight for their survival and not just pray to god in shul. Yet here comes one of our weakest who says please make peace with us. Aside from all the politics- this is a from of humilation-begging your neighbour to make peace.. No, you get ready and the messge to itamar and all other places is self defense, police your own village, spend less time in shul praying and more on self defence and all haredi need martial arts training and now. Haber, barak, livni they are all sick.
9. Be thankful Haber isn't asking Germany for forgivness
Ilan ,   Ariel   (03.17.11)
That is just beyond his red lines.
10. The same way Allies made peace with Nazis.
Chaim ,   Israel   (03.17.11)
Many Britons advised Churchill to make peace with Hitler. They feared Germany's power and felt, as Haber does, that appeasement is the answer. Happily, Churchill had the wisdom and courage to refuse. Churchill knew the Nazis were mortal enemies. As "Palestinians" are to Israel. Churchill knew the Nazis had to be pummelled into unconditional surrender to have peace. Same with the "Palestinians". Israel must make peace with "Palestinians" the same way the Allies made peace with the Nazis. Through total victory and no concessions.
11. Pursue peace? Certainly!! Peace for Peace, Now!!
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (03.17.11)
12. Let *me* respond with the same term: Bullsh**
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (03.17.11)
Jack (#2), you shouldn't be surprised that Haber has never learned from history. People like Haber *never* learn from history. Many decades ago asked, as he does, "What alternative do we have if we shun the pursuit of piece?" So they gave us Oslo, Arafat, almost 2,000 dead and many more injured. Such moves toward peace earned Israel no additional respect, no international support. Withdrawing from Gaza failed in similar fashion. What is the alternative? Standing fast - for your rights, your national interests, and for your very existence. Recognize that there are people who want you dead and strive daily for your destruction. When *they* are ready for peace, I'm sure Israel will respond appropriately. But we're not there yet. So stop acting like a loser; the world doesn't respect a loser.
13. Peace does not exist with Israel's enemies
Brod ,   USA   (03.17.11)
Peace does not exist with the PA Islamist-Jihadists. Their 'peace' is just a tactic to trick Israel so they can usurp Israel's liberated historic homeland of Judea and Samaria-Land of Israel by deceiving and manipulating the world to do their dirty work. It is their tactic to reduce Israel into an tiny indefensible enclave which they could easilty destroy in the future with their rockets and other heavy weaponry. Peace with Israel does not exist in the soul of the Islamist-Jihadist world. They teach their kids to hate and kill Jews. When they grow up, they become haters and killers hellbent on the destruction of Israel. Their school textbooks and maps do not show Israel. They preach the destruction of Israel to their people. Their Charters call for the destruction of Israel. Those who think that they can have peace with the PA Islamist-Jihadists do not know what they are talking about. Or, they are living in fantasyland. Or, they are so naive they do not know the nature and ideology of their enemies. As such they are detrimental to Israel's national security. Prominent Islamist-Jihadist scholar, Omar Abdel Rahman, former Professor of Quranic Interpretations at Al-Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt, tells the world that "There is no surah called 'Peace.' Jihad and killing are the head of Islam. If you take them out, you cut off the head of Islam." (p.24, "Islam and Terrorism" [2002] by Mark A. Gabriel, PhD).
14. UN recognition, so what?
eddie ,   london UK   (03.17.11)
Cyprus is being occupied by Turkey, but is not recognized by UN. But Turkey is doing very well, and everyone wants to trade with them; and the Turks are not giving up. So israel should not give up.
15. Peace in our time(TM)
Albrecht Klein ,   Germany   (03.17.11)
The Palestinians want to kill you because you are "you". It does not matter what you do (perhaps except if you decide to go voluntarily into the Mediterranean Sea).
16. First let them WANT peace.
JC ,   Israel   (03.17.11)
Start by reeducating their children and stoppinhg their hatred education. Until they want peace there can not and won't be peace, no matter what we do.
17. Makes more sense to seek out unicorns.
Terry ,   Eilat - Israel   (03.17.11)
How do you make peace with those who don't want to make peace with you? How do you make peace with those whose goal is your elimination? No matter what we do, no matter what concessions, their goal will not change. It doesn't matter what we do, our very existence is the problem. Would it have been possible to make peace with Hitler? Maybe we should have been looking for ''moderate'' Nazis. Haber, you represent exactly the kind of thinking that has led us into this mess we're in. Did Hamas become ''moderate'' because we left Gaza? Did Hezbollah become ''moderate'' because we left S. Lebanon? Did the Oslo disaster make Fatah in any way ''moderate'' ???? All of our babbling about peace has done nothing except undermine our security. All of our concessions has only brought demands for even more concessions (unreciprocated, of course). You're hopeless, Mr Haber, unable to get past BS rhetoric, incapable of seeing reality.
18. Mr. Haber
Abraham Nachmias ,   Petach Tikva IL   (03.17.11)
And the people his age, like Mr. Peres refuse to understand that the world changes. They have been praying the same through 20 years with failure after failure! Why should we think they know what they are talking about? Please, let them sit in Shenkin to drink espresso and play chess, they at least would be decorative!
19. Everybody wants peace
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (03.17.11)
It's just that we know further one-sided concessions and retreats won't achieve peace.
20. The need to achieve "peace"
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.17.11)
The need to achieve "peace" must be on Israel's terms -- not the United Nations', not the United States's, not the European Union's and most DEFINITELY not the ersatz "Palestinians.'" First things first -- annex Judea and Samaria and repatriate its Arab residents to Jordan, country of their citizenship. Secondly, allow the inevitable to take place in Jordan -- an Iraqi royal family governing a population that is nearly 80% "Palestinian" is doomed -- and then worry about achieving "peace" with a newly-constituted Jordan. If they choose to rename the country "Palestine," fine. A second ersatz "Palestinian" state in the West Bank is the last thing Israel needs. In order to achieve peace, Mr. Haber, you have to have a willing peace partner. Israel does not. And the massacre of the Fogel family was the act of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, a wing of Fatah. Either Abbas was complicit, which renders him unsuitable as a "peace" partner, or Abbas cannot keep order in his own organization, which renders him unsuitable as a "peace" partner. You choose.
21. Missed this little gem the first time ...
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.17.11)
"the lull in terrorism was the result of a Palestinian decision" No, it was the result of building the security fence, Israeli vigilance and swift reprisals. And even so -- we know that terrorist attacks are thwarted nearly every day. Haber is an ostrich with his head in the sand.
22. To: No. 7
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.17.11)
No, Japan did not make "peace" with the United States. It surrendered unconditionally to the United States and did not, in fact, recover all its territory until long after the war. The U.S. returned Iwo Jima in 1968 and a portion of Okinawa in 1972. The U.S. continues to hold on to a significant portion of Okinawa in the form of Fort Buckner and Camp Foster. The Japanese aren't happy about that, but -- too bad. They lost the war. The U.S. won. The U.S. gets to call the shots. That's just how it works. Since the Arabs have started all six wars and Israel has won all of them, don't you realize that Israel -- following international protocol -- gets to call the shots, too? Weizmann was wrong. Israel should have annexed Judea and Samaria immediately, and repatriated all the Arabs in the West Bank to Jordan, country of their citizenship. By the way -- have you ever stopped to wonder why the U.S. had to drop two atomic weapons? Shouldn't one have been enough? Why wasn't one enough? Depends on the degree of implacability of your enemy, doesn't it? The same rules of warfare should prevail as the U.S. imposed upon Japan and the allies imposed upon Germany, viz., complete, total and unconditional surrender. Germany lost fully 25% of its pre-war land mass. There is no compelling reason that Israel should give up land it acquired in the course of fighting a defensive war, and no reason not to repatriate Arabs to the country of their citizenship. You don't reward aggressors for their aggression.
23. Know your enemies!
marlene ,   Philadelphia, USA   (03.17.11)
Elton Haber: STOP BEATING THE DEAD HORSE. You're NOT going to have peace - period. Wake up. Smell the coffee. Read the Bible. Read the koran. Read the arabic news. Listen to the words of your enemies who tell you they just killed your children, they will kill you, they hate you, etc. And you want to say "let's discuss peace"???? You're in serious dangerous denial. Slay your enemies like G-d told you to.
24. Haber the brochure-shraiber
Michael ,   Moscow, USA   (03.17.11)
Haber, stop writing messianic-cult brochures. You’re 71 y.o . At this age you should concentrate on business at hand - managing Rabin’s family estate. Instead you’re pushing us to become members of a cult that requires human sacrifice. Enough with your bloody cult of shalom-god! We’ll stay with the faith of our fathers.
25. Eitan Haber, read #10 - What have you got to say to that
Jake   (03.17.11)
26. Haber
Michaelpielet ,   Boca raton, usa   (03.17.11)
haber tells us the same thing over and over, we have no choice. Of course he is wrong. Haber is a depressed pessimist. In the end Israel will grow and prosper and our enemies will wither and die.
27. Palestinians, Israelis and Nazis
Bertram ,   London, UK   (03.17.11)
It seems everyone is now entitled to use the term Nazi when describing one side or the other in the Middle East conflict. It makes life so simple. No need to examine the justice of claims by Jews, Arabs or anyone else. Invoke Hitler and you have won the argument. Easy.
28. the irony is Oslo weakened us
Golan ,   Modiin   (03.17.11)
the peace process was suppose to show the world that Israel was serious about bending over backwards for peace. What happened instead was the more terror attacks the Arabs made the more pressure came on Israel to give up more. Soon facts and fiction mixed as Journalists stuck to a fiction that was easy to sell on the nightly news. Terror could not be allowed to end a peace process which was as untenable as a virgin prostitute with experience. And the cycle of a myth began to twirl. Arab terror led to pressure on Israel to appease the Arabs who to get more sent more terror. Now today the fiction had gotten so confused that Israel is blamed for Arab refusal to return to the negotiation table, something the Israeli government wants but will not pay an irresponsible price to achieve.
29. Ya, right. Let's try that again.
Ben Yisrael ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (03.17.11)
30. Perplexed
Gabe Yakmore ,   Canada   (03.17.11)
How could enemies live in peace ? There should be some sort of mutual respect (if not friendship) before talking about a peace treaty. It is just wishful thinking until this happens.
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