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Peace with our enemies
Eitan Haber
Published: 17.03.11, 18:04
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31. Haber talk to a wider group
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (03.17.11)
Most of say just the exact opposite. Attempting to make peace with your enemies is the exact same as appeasement. Neither works. You can only make peace with former enemies. The Arabs aren't former enemies, they are active enemies. So the short answer is no do not talk to them.
32. good article title but bad article content, nothing new
christianpalestinian ,   las vegas   (03.17.11)
Haber is correct that Israelis need to sit down and make peace with the Palestinian people, however Haber seems to selectively reference Palestinian attacks on Israelis. Haber fails to mention the many israeli attacks against Palestinian civilians.
33. To: No. 27
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.17.11)
Okay. Then no more stiff-upper-lip nonsense and the Battle of London from the Brits, okay? Practice what you preach, please.
34. The left know no shame
Steve   (03.17.11)
King Solomon penned the following proverb: "Like a dog that returns to its vomit Is a fool who repeats his folly." The left never quits; never tires of repeating its folly; it is never ashamed of its bad behavior; it never learns from history or experience; it never gives up. Exhibit A: Peace with our enemies Op-ed: Even if we think Palestinians are terrible, we have no choice but to pursue peace by: Eitan Haber Paraphrasing one of our ancient Jewish prophets: "Were they (the left) ashamed because of the Oslo abomination they have done? They were not even ashamed at all; They did not even know how to blush...."
35. Chamberlain
Sidney ,   USA   (03.17.11)
Isn't this exactly the reasoning of Neville Chamberlain? And he brought Europe "Peace in our time". You do not make peace with an enemy determined to destroy you.
36. Peace
Marianne ,   US   (03.17.11)
The only 'True Peace' comes from God.. turning Israel's land over to it's enemies.. is wrong and should never ever be considered. Never mind what Obama wants.. you do what God wants and that is to live in your own land and let the Arabs move with their own kind. There are many Arab countries they can move to.. God bless Israel
37. Islamic 'Peace' is the Complete Opposite of TRUE Peace!
Linda Rivera ,   New York, USA   (03.17.11)
The survival of Israel and all Western civilization depends on non-Muslims understanding the political/religious totalitarian system of Islam! In Islam, a peace treaty is a TEMPORARY cease fire signed and kept until such time Muslims become strong enough to attack, mass murder, and conquer a hated infidel nation. And why Israel should declare null and void every 'peace' agreement Israel has made with the Palestinian Authority - the Muslim terrorist organization that glorifies and adores barbaric Muslim terrorist killers of Jewish innocents. Since 9/11, there have been more than 16,950 deadly Islamic terror attacks. Terror attacks by other religions: NONE. Any nation that ignores this fact, is committing national suicide! See: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ In Islam, the Koran commands that all nations and peoples are conquered and subjugated under excessively cruel Islamic sharia law where women are treated as inferior and non-Muslims have no human rights. From 56 nations already conquered by Islam, millions of Islam's foot soldiers colonize our countries. Non-Muslim nations are known as Dar al-Harb - the House of War, nations that must conquered by Islam. Muslims see Israel's surrender of land as an indication that Israel is as "weak as a spider's web." The fact that Israel surrendered Gaza and under continual, never-ending intense U.S. pressure, Israel has agreed to surrender Judea and Samaria and a large portion of Jerusalem, deceives people that Israel does NOT belong to Jews. A HUGE victory for global jihad.
38. Mental Disorder + lack of common sense = Israeli Leftist
Jordan ,   Is, Palestine   (03.17.11)
Ignorant tool, please look to Aza to see how that pullout went down. Please notice Israel is 8 miles wide without Judea/Samaria. You cant come up with more nonsensical chatter than this numbing spew.
39. Does this guy pay Ynet to write or does he get paid?
Rubbish ,   World   (03.17.11)
Dear goodness. I feel dirty having read such horse fecal matter.
40. Idiotic
Paul ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (03.17.11)
41. Peace?
Ron ,   Tawas City, MI - USA   (03.17.11)
There will NEVER be peace in Israel unless and until all Pals in Judea/Samaria and Gaza are sent HOME to Jordan. Give them 72 hours to leave or declare WAR. That is all they will understand...
42. Enemy must be crushed decisively
Trumpeldor   (03.17.11)
and peace talks may then begin That was the European paradigm But not with islamists who dream to kill us and transmit that legacy to their kids
43. to nr. 20.
universe-citizen ,   the universe   (03.18.11)
the need to achieve peace must be on substitute "israel"s" terms. substitute "israel" is not alone in this world and has also reckoned with the rest of the world. the jews, the substitute "israelis" and the zionists are not the only people(s) on this planet (about 13 million jews in this world). there are about 7 billion other peoples/human beings in this world. your comparison with world war 2 is ridiculous. it deals with 2 diffirent situations and with diffirent circumstances. substitute "israel" has also to adapt to the rest of the world/worldpopulation/mankind. we all have to adapt/tounderstand/torespect to eachother. you cannot be the boss of the world/mankind on your terms because you are not alone in this world. otherwise you have to go to an uninhabitant island or to the moon etc. same goes for me and for everyone. you cannot generalize an entire people, saying that all palestinians/arabs etc. are wrong/bad/evil/criminal and all the substitute "israelis", zionists, jews etc. are saints, angels, good, without mistakes, always right, perfect (certainly there is crime/criminals and prisons etc. also in substitute "israel" as there is in any other country and all over the world). perfect people are in fairy tales and perhaps in heaven. think, dream and believe what you want. the thoughts are free for everybody.
44. To No.36
Bertram ,   London, UK   (03.18.11)
So, now we invoke God to legitimise our claims. Thank goodness our enemies have not thought of doing that, otherwise it might put God in an awkward position.
45. #44 All Land Stolen from Jews in 1948 Must be Returned!
Linda Rivera ,   New York, USA   (03.18.11)
There Never was an Arab country of Palestine. Jerusalem was Never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Jewish Bible, not once in the Koran. The inalienable rights of Jews to the Biblical heartland must not be violated! No one is demanding Muslims surrender THEIR top religious areas of Mecca and Medina! In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza, ethnically cleansing all Jews and in 1948, Jordan invaded Judea, Samaria and east Jerusalem, ethnically cleansing all Jews. In violent opposition to G-D, Muslim Jordan destroyed 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. The jihad is against the Holy One. When Israel won the Arab war of aggression in 1967, Jews returned to the areas of their ancestral homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Anti-Israel propaganda deceitfully calls Jews' legitimate return "occupation". Jews have had a continuous presence in physical and spiritual homeland Israel for 4,000 years. All Land and Property Stolen from Jews in the 1948 Islamic Invasion Must be Returned!
46. NO!!!!!! NO PEACE is the BEST solution!!!
Israeli 2   (03.18.11)
Peace Now destroys everything whereas NO PEACE EVER will make Israel safe and strong. I NEVER thought I would write something like this...but you know what? With these animals, it is necessary and my pleasure to write this. Haber is left (wrong!) Not right.
47. A VERY REASONED ARTICLE & ANALYSIS...
Rafi ,   US   (03.18.11)
... which is why the zealots will immedately dismiss it and continue to driive Israel right over the cliff... How about that episode today @ Shiloh by the Israeli KKK, masks and all...! You can really be proud of that!
48. CORRECTION #46!
Israeli 2   (03.18.11)
My point is that peace is not necessary with people who do not know what peace means. Their definition of peace makes no sense for us to have "peace." I love posts #20 & #21
49. At last a rational and wise opinion piece!
Ben Alofs ,   Bangor, UK   (03.18.11)
Thank you, Eitan Haber! Your fellow younger Op-ed writers here on Ynet still have a lot to learn. It would not harm them at all if they would start by reading your articles. Amidst all the mayhem and whipped up emotions your calm and wise words are very much appreciated.
50. #49 It's a pity there's nobody in Gaza to say the same as...
Phil ,   Ireland   (03.18.11)
Eitan Haber, that is we have no choice but to pursue peace.
51. We need to denounce all violence
Ray Hanania ,   Chicago   (03.18.11)
We need to denounce all violence, not just when it is against our own. We need speak out against the murders of Israelis in Itamar and the murders of Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. If we only show outrage when it is one of our own, the outrage is unprincipled and not moral. It is political and exploitive. Palestinians need to speak out loudly against the killings in Itamar and Israelis need to do the same against killings of Palestinians. Sadly, that does not happen. Ray Hanania
52. To Israeli 2 at No. 48
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.18.11)
I think it is more "peace is not possible." The ersatz "Palestinian" dream of peace in the Middle East is a Middle East that does not include Israel. And that is never going to happen. They have rejected very generous offers of a two-state solution on three occasions. No more offers will be forthcoming. They've exhausted all the available opportunities. Thank you for your kind words; Shabat Shalom.
53. 51 - israelis don't celebrate the murders of children
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (03.18.11)
that's a cozy false moral equivalence you got going there. the israeli government doesn't target civilians, and apologizes when civilians are killed. palestinians target civilians (women, children, elderly, etc) for cold-blooded murder and hand out sweets while ululating with joy. one on purpose with regret, one happily and purposely targets - am i missing something that makes this remotely equivalent?? i'm tired of this "both sides" talk when you still won't preach these things to your own crowd, which needs to hear it more and has much further to go in the realm of human decency.
54. sane and realistic: but give the palestinians some nausea...
eporue ,   europe   (03.18.11)
pills too... europe and the US will take care, that everyone really swallows them...
55. #15 - albrecht klein: AND ? if it is so, then occupation..
eporue ,   europe   (03.18.11)
...stealing land, and all the "injustice" done, which comes along with an occupation, DOESNT MAKE IT ANY BETTER... read the article.
56. To: No. 51
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.18.11)
And when an ersatz "Palestinian" mother celebrates and rejoices that her son (whom she sold to terrorists for cash) blew up a busload of innocent civilians, am I supposed to regard her son's death in the same light as I regard the death of those innocent passengers on the bus? Or, better still, if an ersatz "Palestinian" suicide bomber attempts to infiltrate the border and is killed by alert Israeli troops, is that a "murder?" Or is it merely taking out the trash? You have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about. That's not going to happen.
57. STIPIDEST article I have ever read
PhD ,   Israel   (03.18.11)
"They're going to kill us anyway so we might as well sign a peace treaty"... Helloooooooo
58. eporue #55 what stealing?
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (03.18.11)
Come on, at least make the attempt. Show us ONE LEGAL CLAIM for the Arabs. I bet you won't even attempt anything more than your moronic chants about occupation. The fact is that the Arabs are the illegal occupation of JEWISH lands and that is international law.
59. Peace with baby killers? Never !!
Don Rosenberg ,   Palatine USA   (03.18.11)
Jews, like haber, encourage the arab muslim terrorist, PA and Hama's that there is hope. Israel needs to act like it won 5 wars with these fakestinians, not like losers. Better to have no peace and live, then to have peace and be killed. Jews unite to fight the muslim arabs colonialists !!!!
60. Survey says: Israel does not want peace
Jon ,   Baltimore US   (03.18.11)
Look at the overwhelming replies to this article. Jewish people in Israel or other countries do not want peace. They want their biblical kingdom restored. Of course once that is done it is time for Armageddon, but they have armed themselves for that already with their nuclear arsenal. Maybe they are trying to push God towards the rapture. It's hard to say but peace is obviously in none of the options they now contemplate.
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