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New bill takes aim at leftist groups
Roni Sofer
Published: 28.03.11, 09:28
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1. The Israeli Supreme Court
Abba ,   Modi'in, Israel   (03.28.11)
Since the Supreme Court is leftist itself, it is doubtful that even if the bill passes in the Knesset, it will be held to conform to the Basic Law.
2. But what do we do about the High Court?
Terry ,   Eilat - Israel   (03.28.11)
A self-selecting collection of Leftist ideologues who ignore reality in favour of ivory-tower abstractions.
3. excellent - this of course applies also to rightwing groups
Bruno   (03.28.11)
and we will see very soon how they wish they had never made this move - which will blow up in their faces
4. "Israel's" right wing starts its own dictatorship!
Salma ,   Palestine   (03.28.11)
good luck.
5. Lawfare: The misuse of legitimate
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (03.28.11)
means of guiding a principle or of exacting justice through legal channels will now be prevented from occurring in Israel if this bill goes through. It appears to me to be a very sound effort in balancing the judicial system within the country, economizing as well as freeing up the law courts from constant political maneuvres of the NGOs.
6. Salma - we know why you are so jealous of us
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (03.28.11)
There is no "dictatorship" in Israel. We leave that to all of our Arab neighbors including you, Salma. You, however, have a two-headed dictatorship with one head in Hamastan and the other head in Fatahstan. Israel will indeed have elections sometime within the next 3 years, and a peaceful transition of power and it doesn't matter if it is right or left. You, on the other hand, are doomed to remain in perpetual misery unless you decide to negotiate for peace and reject your own corrupt Arab leaders in favor of constitutional law and order. There's no dictatorship in Israel. There is no "apartheid". There are, however, a lot of jealous Arabs who wish they could live under a government system like Israel's (including our 1 million Arab citizens who repeatedly say they do NOT want to live in a future "Palestine").
7. The reprobate Leftists must be shown their places
American Sabrah ,   Givas Shmilkeh   (03.28.11)
They are clearly unhinged and more easily prone to violence thus rendering them a threat to society with their destructive behaviors. For one, Peace Now should be disbanded for their treacherous anti Israel activities. The rightists may have extremist leanings but you won't see any of them riot with the Arabs and undermine Israel's political agenda.Some of these organizations aide and embed Islamic terrorist networks. The Leftists tend to be more menacing and openly hostile towards those who disagree with their political views.
8. This is not an attack against; it is a form of protection of
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (03.28.11)
the nation-state of the Jewish people and by extension of the people whose nation-state Israel is: the Jewish people.
9. The only democracy in the middle east?????
Robert ,   Brisbane Australia   (03.28.11)
Israel's claim to be the only democracy in the middle east is about to be shattered.
10. Terry
Smith ,   TA, Israel   (03.28.11)
You don't understand democracy either because you're a dolt or because you're a fascist. I can't decide which. A healthy separation of powers is the hallmark of a healthy democracy. The fact that these two MK's serially try to undermine these separations in favour of the executive make them suspect. You rant long and hard about freedom but clearly your idea of freedom is theocracy and tyranny for everyone else. Now go soak your head in the shark pool.
11. Perfect! MEGA Like! Democracy also means TRANSPARENCY!
(03.28.11)
The so-called "Human Rights" and Leftist groups, should rejoice at this development. They will finally be able to unmask those who manipulate them.
12. #9 Australians claim to intelligence has already been shatte
(03.28.11)
red. With posts like these, nobody will take you seriously - not here anyway. Why don't you try more guillable freaks at Al Jazeera or Haarets.
13. #3 Bruno - time for that pot smoking again, pal.
(03.28.11)
14. To Smith #10
David M.   (03.28.11)
Your response is typical for the Left. You don't provide counter-arguments when you disagree with someone. You just label them fascists, Nazis as if that were a proof that your opinion is correct. Terry is one of the few people whose postings are worth reading. His comments, unlike yours, are always well written and documented.
15. I am confused? Don't they do this in Iran?
David ,   The Galilee, Israel   (03.28.11)
Certainly, the left are very busy attacking Israel and endangering our security but surely this sort of legislation is the same sort of thing that we see in the dictatorships in Africa, the Middle East and, to a certain extent, the Russian Federation? We won't even look at the situation in China, North Korea and Myanmar! Some also fee that the extreme rightists are just a big a danger to Israel as the extreme left so will they fall foul of this new law and our "Brave New World" too? The last time I looked Israel was a democracy with freedom of speech and thought guaranteed. The right wing is going to far and even the Speaker of the Knesset, Ruby Rivlin, pointed out his objection to the "majority forcing its opinions on minorities" (Israel Reshet Bet this morning) and he not a lefty! Those who criticize the Supreme Court and the High Court of Justice, myself included on some occasions, must remember that this sort of legislation will prove that Israel is or becoming an Apartheid State. This is exactly the kind of legislation that the National Party introduced in South Africa. I know! I Lived there! If this legislation becomes law then how long will it take before criticism of the Government or the Prime Minister will become an "Offense Against the State"? Those who think like MK Danon should also remember that laws like this will add to Israel's "Pariah Nation" status, fuel the fire of hatred against Israel, and can also come round to bite the right wing in the butt!
16. Terry: Think it out again!
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (03.28.11)
I know you are not an idiot nor a fascist and, like you, I think that some of the decisions of the High Court Of Justice, are very "Leftist" and anti-Zionist but isn't this what separates Israel from totalitarianism? There is nothing more important that an independent judiciary and a law like this will only alienate the few friends that Israel has left. Also, I am sure that you realize that if the "Left" must make these declarations so must the "Right"? If not, then we should invite the Grand Ayatollah of Shas to choose the next Prime Minister and we can call our country the Sephardi Orthodox Republic of Israel! We will then all live by Halacha, women will stay home, shave or cover their heads and make babies, and those who are not prepared to live by the rules can go back into the Diaspora and wait for the next Holocaust. Gays and other "dissidents" will go to MK Nissim Ze'ev;s "Rehabilitation Camps".
17. What are you affraid of little lefties?
M. Gadaffi ,   Isratina   (03.28.11)
Why is the left ansd tha arabs (I'm one of them) scared of showing who their donors are????????? If my donor is Legit. no problemo, right?, if my donor is not an Israel enemy entity or a money laundery operator-no problemo- ireally would like to see who these human loving and peace promotors donors are. See ya in exile soo M.G.
18. Purpose of the bill
Abba ,   Modi'in, Israel   (03.28.11)
The headline is somewhat misleading. The bill doesn't target leftists. It applies equally to any NGO, regardless of political affiliation. It makes sense that the Court should know who the real parties in interest are when deciding matters of public concern.
19. David #16: The judiciary in Israel
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (03.28.11)
is not independent. The Supreme Court appoints their own and, as a result, their cast of judges remains leftwing in its thinking and, of course, this carries over into their decision making. In Canada, the Supreme Court judges are appointed by the Prime Minister. The party and political sensibilities of the Canadian Prime Ministers varies as a result of elections. This does not occur in Israel. In the USA, the President may appoint a Supreme Court judge but the nomination must be approved by Congress and, of course, the President's terms are limited to two four-year stints. In view of what I have written, don't you think there is something solidly unjust about the Israeli method of Supreme Court selection?
20. David #15: Apartheid?
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (03.28.11)
What is your definition of "apartheid", David? For instance, are any part of our own population refused entrance to any other part with exception made for security reasons, i.e., no Muslims under the age of forty attending worship in the Dome of the Rock in the Old City. Do we enforce Arabs to remain in their own enclaves within the country? Do we enforce blackouts and force Arabs to remain behind barriers? In actuality, it is the Jewish population which won't go into Arab quarters and villages for (realistic) fear of danger. In such cities as Jerusalem, for instance, the Arab presence is very evident. As to those Arabs who reside east of the Green Line, they are free to move about as they wish and to utilize the same highways as Jews in many cases although checkpoints have been established, and rightly so, to secure us from Arab terrorists. Those of us who reside on the east side of the Green Line in Yishuvs do not go into Arab villages for fear for our safety. Neither are we officially allowed into their cities such as Ramallah by our government because we cannot expect protection. Many Arabs enter the Yeshuvim for work and leave at night. There must be an Israeli guard present with a weapon but that is hardly "apartheid". The term is bandied about with propagandistic effect, David, but no genuine substance in reality. There is certainly no comparison to the bantustans of South Africa in the past.
21. if u don´t let us go to the court...
Ivan ,   Haifa   (03.28.11)
So you wanna let us as only way to fight you the violence?,that´s what you want, right?.
22. @4 Salma
Beauchard   (03.28.11)
You write that "Israel's" right is starting its own dictatorship. Why the inverted commas? Rhetorical question, I know the answer. However. you have often saId that this evil entity (just trying to be polite) has been a fascist dictatorship since its existence. So, why does the new law make any difference?
23. Sof Sof !!!!!!!!!
Amim Chai ,   Israel   (03.28.11)
Israel loving Israelis should run Israel. NOT leftist anti- Israel organizations or people
24. Great going, guys!
Dovid ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (03.28.11)
We're not isolated and marginalized enough. It will be decades before Israel recovers from this government and is again accepted in the family of nations. Danon should be required to take a loyalty oath. He and Lieberman do more damage to our beloved country than any Arab.
25. well-stated #'s 10, 15
Rafi ,   US   (03.28.11)
This bill is an embarassment for Israel as a democracy (a "shanda" as they say in Arabic...). As they are forever in the minority, this is yet another attempt by right-wing zealots to forcibly impose their will on the majority. And what they cannot succeed in doing via politics & legislation, they will typically revert to violence to achieve. All indicative of their fundamental anti-democratic, intolerent nature.
26. Whats the big deal it will effect Right leaning groups
Rod ,   Fargo N.Dakota   (03.28.11)
So all it will doing is where both sides of the spectrum get their donors.Whats the Left fear
27. In the U.S. non U.S. Groups register as foreign agents
Rod ,   Fargo N.Dakota   (03.28.11)
28. Bill
Joe ,   Israel   (03.28.11)
It's about time that something is in place that will combat one of Israel's greatest enemies - The "Left." They think that they are propagating peace. The only thing that they are accomlishing is to weaken Israel. What I can't understand is if they love the Arabs so much why don't the go and live with them?
29. To #20: Robert: Mine definition?
David ,   The Galilee, Israel   (03.28.11)
My definition is that I was born in South Africa, lived there for forty years and saw how right wing Nationalists manipulated the law in a discriminatory instrument of government. I saw how every criticism of the government and State became an offense against the state and all oposition to government "policy" was called propagating the rise of Communism. This is exactly what these MK's are trying to do. This is called the Fear Factor. Do we Israelis want to have a regime that removes our rights because they may damage what they call the security of the State? This, Robert, is what these MK's are trying to do. I am no left winger but I think, and I am still entitled to think, that an independent judiciary is essential to democracy. Stonewall the courts and you have state in control of everything. Regarding forcing Arabs to live in enclaves. A few years ago an Arab family was denied the right to buy an apartment in Naharia. Now some are trying to prevent and others (immigrants from the former Soviet Union who are not Jewish but serve in the IDF) from joing small communities. So you were saying about Apartheid? Regarding the appoint of Judges in Israel, please check your facts. "Supreme Court Justices, as well as all other judges, are appointed by the President of the State upon the nomination of "the Judges' Nominations Committee". The Nominations Committee is composed of nine members: three Justices of the Supreme Court (including the President of the Court among them), two Ministers (one of them being the Minister of Justice), two Members of the Knesset and two representatives of the Israel Bar Association. The Minister of Justice is the chairperson of the Committee. In other words, a modified Missouri Plan." Wikipedia. You will notice that there are only three judges on the committee of nine! So Robert, I have first hand knowledge of Apartheid unlike others like Arab MK's, Left Wingers, UK Jews, Canadian Jews, American Jews and Palestinians who use the word without knowing what it means. So what is your knowledge of Apartheid based on?
30. David #29: Re Apartheid: It's hardly a
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (03.28.11)
point when you cite one or two instances in which one racial group is disallowed a living space in another community. Your case for Apartheid is pretty weak if that's your basis. Of course, there are laws which you may cite which make difficulties for one racial, ethnic or religious group. That is hardly Apartheid, David, and you would be better off using another term if you wish to critique the state. You're really stretching your imagination when you call it Apartheid in Israel and making the case for forty years of living in South Africa really doesn't add to your credibility or, in this case, your lack of it. Referring to the appointment of judges to the Supreme Court, I bow to your greater knowledge of the process and thank you for educating me. Now, the question I have for you is: Why does the Supreme Court always appear to be leftist in its orientation? Could there be something about the appointment process which determines that the lawyers with a leftist orientation in both philosophy and practice always win out?
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