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The Iron Dome mentality
Hagai Segal
Published: 15.04.11, 14:11
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31. #30 - applause, applause, applause.
seadog1946 ,   ArthurKill, NY   (04.16.11)
32. Obviously Hagai Segal doesn't live in Sderot or Karmiel!
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (04.16.11)
He obviously doesn't know the feeling when the air raid siren goes off and you think is my home going to be hit! In the 2nd Lebanon War a Grad rocket fell 50 meters from where I live in Karmiel. We were lucky. It hit a bus stop. Other buildings very nearby suffered direct hits. Our war in Karmiel only lasted for 32 days. In Sderot its being going on for more than a decade! Now we have a system that has a very good chance of stopping the killer missiles. Yes, we need to go on the offensive but we must also defend ourselves and, especially, our children! Hagai Segal, please tell us how many Israeli soldiers would you like to send into Gaza? Just make sure that members of your family are among them! Will you go and look bereaved families in the eye when our soldiers come home in coffins?
33. #30 nilus; correct
solomon ,   bklyn   (04.16.11)
100% correct! Problem however; substitute "the arabs" for "the state". The number of sources that show the arab "narrative" to be false are overwhelming. As a start, read #25 William; the Ottoman sources he cites are decidedly not Jewish nor Israeli. (You will also note they are not arab.) Also read the Bible as a history book, confirmed by archeology in the area. Even more: read the Koran as a history book. Islam began in arabia. (ARABs, ARABia; get it?) with NO mention of Jerusalem. Better yet, the PLO itself admitted that "Palestinian" was a fictitious construct invented for political reasons. And look around you; do you notice that those others who refuse to see reality because it's not the reality they prefer, are with you...on Mars?
34. @25
Nilus ,   Mars   (04.16.11)
Do you own your apartment or house you are living in? Let's assume you are with the majority who doesn't and your apartment-building is owned by a rich Jew in, let's say, New York. Now someone comes along, throws you out of your apartment violently, loots everything of value and finally destroys the house so you have no place to come back to. Would you still agree he hasn't been stealing (or didn't commit any crime whatsoever), after all you don't own the place. Common, if you really live in Israel you know that almost every now Jewish town or village has been an Arab one before 48. You know that some 500 villages were completely uprooted and destroyed. If you don't trust anybody but your own leaders, no problem, just open your ears and listen to them: "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist." Moshe Dayan
35. #30, #34 there is one problem with your theory
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (04.16.11)
That it is wrong. Everyone (including the Arabs) knows that the Jews are the indigenous people of Israel. Read the Koran. Everyone knows that most of the Arabs called "Palestinians" are illegal immigrants brought in during the British occupation of Israel. Learn about the census made by the Turks and British occupiers. Everyone knows that the only reason there is a war is because international organizations pay a fortune to the Arabs to keep their war with Israel. Find out how much money UNHCR and Red Cross (later various NGOs and the Saudis) paid to perpetuate the "Arab refugee" problem since 1948. I must applaud you. To support your fantasies, you concentrate a war that took a place since 1920 to the results of the battles of 2 years 1947-1948 and geographically in the whole Middle-east to just Israel.
36. #34 nilius, Mars
solomon ,   bklyn   (04.17.11)
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. " He did not say all, or even almost all. Yes, it happened, although these Jewish villages were usually built next to the arab ones. The Jews didn't want to use the old hovels they found. The forest was allowed to reposess them. And your example is twisted as well. The run down apartments were bought by the Jews at exhorbitant prices from the rich arab landlord. These are only two small examples of your twisted, gross exaggerations.
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after 67 Dayan said what it was in 48 will never be in 67 .. now i say what it was said in 48 is not correct geography will never changed but houses may be destroyed the books rewtite again .. there are maps of all the palastinian villiges and there are kids know the names of their villiges even there are not any houses in these places . it is not so far history and it will not be so far . it is a living history in a permenent geography
38. It is all those losers fault: instead of buying property in
tom ,   tel aviv   (04.17.11)
North-Tel Aviv (like I have done) they went for the cheapo apartments in Sderot/Ashqelon/Ashdod.....what a bunch of morons! Now they expect my government to pay for their protection or G-d forbid send soldiers to risk their lives in Gaza! It's LOCATION, stupid... ha-ha-ha !!!
39. #38 - Because it's all about you.
Melissa Star ,   Modiin, Israel   (04.17.11)
So as long as you can live in your beautiful North Tel Aviv apartment, who cares if other people are in danger? Of course, if the missiles started to hit Tel Aviv, or the busses in your area start to get blown up by suicide bombers, then you'll just run off to whatever English-speaking country you have a passport to, and leave the rest of us behind. I don't know everything having made Aliyah just three months ago, but I know this - it's only by working TOGETHER and CARING ABOUT each other that we have any chance to be strong and to defend ourselves from those who want to use "religious" hate as an excuse to kill us all...
40. Just a thought but so true...
Herbert H. Kitchener ,   Co. Kerry   (04.17.11)
"Little minds try to defend everything at once, but sensible people look at the main point only; they parry the worst blows and stand a little hurt if thereby they avoid a greater one. If you try to hold everything, you hold nothing." Frederick the Great
41. #40 Herbert
solomon ,   bklyn   (04.18.11)
Excellent reminder, thank you! The supporters of the "Pals"find this easier as they do not have too many, if any, points to raise. And there are way too may points to raise when refuting their 'imaginative' false arguments. A good reminder to ignore those "facts" that occured only in their minds.
42. Until the revolutions in in the Arab world are settled, wait
Ayatollah Ghilmeini ,   US   (04.18.11)
What if democracies or non fascist governments came to power in Syria, Libya, Iran and Egypt? The change would alter the strategic picture tremendously. While I am pessimistic about Egypt, if Syria's Assad goes down, anything other than an al Qaeda regime is an improvement. Meanwhile the Saudis are reaching out to Israel as the ONLY force in the region they can count on against Iran. A war now will gain Israel nothing but might forfeit regional political opportunities of a lifetime. Hold fire and pray as many terror sponsoring fascist regimes fall.
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