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SF may vote on circumcision ban
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Published: 28.04.11, 15:15
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1. Cancer of the foreskin is a serious problem
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (04.28.11)
Proactive foreskin removal will prevent cancer of the foreskin!
2. Hypocrites
Moishe ,   Golutsk   (04.28.11)
I wander if these sodomites will outlaw partial birth abortion as well.
3. so are there going to be backalley circumcisions?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (04.28.11)
this would never be happen if we were talking about abortions.
4. Also for tattoos,clipping finger nails,hair cuts,& piercings
Josh   (04.28.11)
After all it is not a voluntary choice of the child either. In fact no optional surgery what so ever. Cleft palate, deal with it till your 18. San Fran I hope you realize how absurd this pettion is. Government saying how to raise a child? Let Uncle Sam raise them all in government camps?
5. Circumcision is a gift
withheld ,   Copenhagen, Denmark   (04.28.11)
It's funny... Those who got used to circumcision are challenging the logic and benefit that circumcision has, now are questioning if not circumcising would pay back the same hand... Just with out the blood being spilled... How is that logical to even think that? Circumcision is a luxury, and now some folks want to ban it, so that others may not experience that luxury?! Be my guest...
6. If Passed, Will Probably Be Overturned
emanon ,   USA   (04.28.11)
Such a ruling will probably be found unconstitutional under US law as it will interfere with Religion. After witnessing my own son's circumcision, albeit many years ago, I admit am am having second thoughts in the event of male grandchildren. Rather I would like to see a more ethical version adopted where a local topical anesthetic is used. I still believe in the religious practice, but let's face it, medicine has advanced a lot since the time of Abraham and our religion is against suffering. Use of an anesthetic is not unreasonable and does not interfere with the ritual practice.
7. 'Religions don't get a free pass'?
leo ,   usa   (04.28.11)
OK, then pull wig off Haredy woman, burka off Muslim woman, shave all bears, ban all religious books. Oh, wait a minute, then only non-religious types will get a free pass. Not good. What to do? What to do? What to do? ...
8. Jim Crow laws against Jews
BH ,   Iowa   (04.28.11)
California is dead weight.
9. Thanks to Israel's "elite" Left for world anti-Semitism.
Ari   (04.28.11)
These self-hating Jewish Leftists are the cause of the increased anti-Semitism worldwide.
10. in all honesy..
yaniv ,   tel-aviv   (04.28.11)
..they should ban this practice in Israel as well. hope this passes.
11. wow, should they then ban piercing baby girl's ears?
michel ,   Texas   (04.28.11)
many parents get there babies ears pierced so they don't have to go through it when they are older. This isn't a "religious" practice. Should this be banned as well??? This is ridiculous.
12. the problem is how will it affect Europe
zionist forever   (04.28.11)
Forgetting all other issues like health or religious reasons San Francisco is one city in the state of California and the state does not ban circumcision. If the state doesn't ban it on what legal grounds does the city have to ban something like this? Its not exactly a local issue like do you have to recycle your garbage. What worries me if this bill passes is Europe. The Europeans are trying to ban any religious ritual practices, especially Jewish ones. They have already managed to get meat labeled the animal hasn't been stunned. The reason of course is they are hoping to drive the price of kosher meat out of the reach of the average Jew and so banning Kashrut by the back door. With the circumcision there are alot of people in the liberal anti religion EU states who would love nothing more than to see circumcision banned, Its a human right because the baby can't object, its child abuse or it unhealthy .. just any excuse not because they are worried about the child but because they see all religious rituals as archaic and should be banned. If they see San Francisco ban it even if its overturned by the courts, which is almost certainly will be they will be invigorated and they will use it as a precedent to base their arguments over.
13. Tsunami
moriah ,   sacto calif   (04.28.11)
14. Liberal Jews supporting such a ban already suffering
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (04.28.11)
The issue was discussed several years ago in the very liberal Jewish Forward. A physician (from California, if I recall) wrote in to report cases of urinary and penile disorders among Jewish male infants he'd rarely seen before. Their parents had elected not to circumcise the boys. And its long been suspected that lower rates of certain cancers among Jewish women (uterine in particular) was linked to their partners being circumcised. The WHO has also confirmed that transmission rates of AIDS in Africa was reduced if the male was circumcised. As a result there's now an extensive program, with the assistance of Israeli professionals (mostly Jews but Muslims too), promoting adult male circumcision there. Jewish tradition holds that we are partners in the ongoing process of Creation. Perhaps those fighting circumcision should stop seeing the procedure as a disfiguration of the body and more as a corrective.
15. Non circumcised men ,jaleous...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (04.28.11)
of the circumcised one s, (because women prefer the latter) are most probably the instigaters of the anti circumcision law.
16. Let's see what the Muslims do
Maurice ,   Los Angeles   (04.28.11)
I believe Muslims male are circumcised at the age of 13. Let's see the leftists impose a ban on Muslims. They know that Jews are not violent but Muslims is another story. I'm so tired of elitist left wings giving away our money and trying to rule our lives.
17. Cut yr korbans/tools at home or backyard !!!
Musti ,   TURKEY   (04.28.11)
18.  In the steps of Antiochus and Hadrian
rivkah f. ,   jerusalem   (04.29.11)
In ancient times, Antiochus IV and Hadrian banned circumcision as part of outlawing Judaism in their attempts to destroy the Jewish people. Today in Holland they are banning kosher slaughter of animals for food; in San Francisco, anti-circumcision has been proposed. But we will continue, thrive and the intentions of those who seek to delegitimize Israel, the Jews & Judaism through these measures will be exposed & defeated.
19. Is female circumsion also banned in
jason white ,   afula, israel   (04.29.11)
san fran? Or are they only going after Jewish rituals? Will they next ban Bar/Bat Mitzvahs, because of the pressure it puts on youngsters to learn their Haftorah and repeat it in public out loud? This is a way to spiritually destroy Jews. If they cannot physically destroy us, then they will ban our religious rites. I bet there are some creeps there in Ca trying to figure out how to destroy our Torahs and Talmuds the green way.
20. SF is like granola: fruits, nuts and flakes.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (04.29.11)
21. #7 Leo, you're such a fool !
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (04.29.11)
Circumcision is common medical practice in many hospitals since it's considered to healtlhier for the child not to have an accumulation of crap under his foreskin Our ancestors knew that thousands of years ago, modern medicine discovered it fairly recently In your case, you should have been circumsiized where your Adams apple is, it would have prevented you from spouting endless nonsense What to do?, what to do ? I have a suggestion, shut up !
22. Easy solution
Ish Kabible ,   Delancey   (04.29.11)
Have the Bris in the next town, along with the party that accompanies it Let a friendly town benefit financially This will show what a bunch of shmucks run San Francisco It's no wonder that California's economy is in the toilet, idiots are running the Asylum
23. circumsion
DANNY TAWIL ,   MANCHESTER ENGLAND   (04.29.11)
to those stupid ignorant 12.000 people. common sense tells you its much cleaner.lots of christian people are circumcision also as well as millions upon millions of moslems.
24. more fishing?
Ramon   (04.30.11)
Perhaps those fighting circumcision should stop seeing the procedure as a disfiguration of the body and more as a corrective. so now, after- circumcision is good for better sex, it looks better on a penis, you don't get AIDS- now we are into correcting G-ds creation- meaning, he did a lousy job and we are improving? Come on- circumcision should be done on a 16 year old who can decide if he wants it- doing it on a tiny baby is like rape- and don't give me the 'they don't feel it' - how do you know?
25. #11 ear piercing-
Tal   (04.30.11)
ear piercing is not exactly the same as doing surgery by a non- medic on a penis. Do it when the boy is 16 or 18- let him decide. I have always been suspicious of religions that single out a gender for barbaric practices. male circumcision, female circumcision- improving on G-ds work?
26. #15 beauty?
Rahel   (04.30.11)
now you circumcise because it looks better? Women tell you it looks good? Great reason. There has not been ONE argument that makes sense.
27. 24,25,26 how ABOUT it is the covenant between
(04.30.11)
us Jews and HaShem? or doesnt that count anymore? Or the fact that we Jews have been doing this for thousands of years for our male population. The FACt that it is done without the consent of a 8 day old infant is all the more of a mitzvah because that baby can not consent to it and is made a Jewish child by matter of fact of birth and genes, having a Jewish mother. It is sad that he who attends the event of a Bris has all of their sins forgiven just from going and eating from a Bris. Most of the EU does not do this and has not ever. It seems the usa and the developed countries want to keep their males healthy if they can by doing this for most male children whether or not they are Jewish but I touch a male down there if he was not circ.
28. The practice of circumcision
Sagi   (04.30.11)
was to bring us into the Covenant of Abraham, to make us different from all the others. It had nothing to do with cleanliness or with greater sexual satisfaction. That was thousands of years ago. Today it definately has to do with cleanliness and sexual satisfaction. It is also aesthetically much more beautiful ( I am not the beholder ). I do not regard this as mutilation or as a cruel practice and in no way must it be compared to burkas and wigs, ear piercing or tattoos or animal slaughter.
29. @ 19
Sheik Rattle & Roll ,   USA   (04.30.11)
Who cares what they vote for in San Fran. All you have to do is cross City limits. Stop your conspiracy theories against Jews. The people have a right to vote what ever they want to vote for or against. As a Jew I would vote against it and if it is passed oh well so be it and it wouldn't be the first time i voted for or against something that didn't go my way.
30. Cabbage is perfect for a healthy..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (04.30.11)
soup,roses for a beautiful decoration, and circumcision for becoming a Jew.
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