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A nation of martyrs
Alex Joffe
Published: 30.04.11, 14:06
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1. Summary.
Jules   (04.30.11)
There is no "Palestinian nation". There is a terroristic organization (consisting of differently named divisions) whose only purpose is the destruction of the State of Israel. Full stop.
2. no chance ...
n.d   (04.30.11)
1956, Ben-Gurion stated: "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country ... ... They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. (homes & lifes) Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance
3. A nation on terrorists is synonimous
Gabriel ,   Canada   (04.30.11)
4. Doublespeak. "Resistance" = war
Al Levy ,   Toronto   (04.30.11)
There is no mistaking that Palestinian official policy is for war, not peace. The Palestinians always use the words that western leaders like to hear, and fools us into thinking that the Palestinians believe in the 2-state solution. However, the reality is that they most certainly do not. Even the PLO leaders keep using the term "resistance", and there is more than ample evidence and proof that they do not teach their children about peace, only about "resistance."
5. #2 Ben gurion would have never said this. Yr a liar
Ari ,   Romania Israel   (04.30.11)
And.." if you repeat the lie many times maybe some people will star believing in it as the real truth"(Joseph Göebles) What ever part of the land the Jews lived when they return to the Holy Land, it was legally bought to the local owners, mostly living comfortable in Damascus and Constantinople (istanbul)
6. Also proves that Fatah is no moderate
Jay3 ,   Israel   (04.30.11)
Their intentions are as clear as water....destroy Israel. using whatever method at hand Time for the good terrorist/ bad terrorist farce to cease.
7. A Nation of Paranoics?
stone ,   jerusalem   (04.30.11)
After many many years of Israelis ignoring peace opportunities (like the 2002 Arab League offer), topped with 2 years of virulent settlement construction and other baldface "Greater Israel" policies, how do you expect the Palestinians to respond? If Abu Mazen can show his people NOTHING but disappointment for the years of willing negotiations with Israel, at LEAST he can show them some reconciliation with the Palestinians brethren in Gaza.
8. A nation of Occupiers needs a nation of 'Muqaween'
Salma ,   Palestine   (04.30.11)
Al Muqawama is a means to an end, not an end by itself. We love life whenever we can......We cherish life a lot more than you think, Alex Joffe.
9. Israeli Initiative
Jason, Ph.D. ,   Charlotte, USA   (04.30.11)
Now that the 'Palestinians' have made clear again their true nature, Israel should seize the opportunity to keep her enemies on the defensive. Specifically, Israel should announce that it is now painfully obvious that the two-state solution is dead. Furthermore, Israel should announce its readiness to return most of the W. Bank to the country from which this territory was taken: Jordan, in accordance with U.N. resolution 242. Now, of course Jordan will say it does not want it, etc. Israel can then counter, saying that this is the only game it town. Furthermore, Israel can say that if Jordan wants to create a Palestinian state on West Bank land returned to Jordan, that is up to Jordan. Israel can also make clear that it simply will not tolerate any rockets being fired at it from vacated territority, and that Israel will return to any land used as a launching site, and annex that land. Announcing this in advance puts her enemies on the defensive. In the final analysis, Jordan will be very embarrased to say that it refuses the territory.
10. A Nation of Martyrs!!!???
Edward ,   Savannah, USA   (04.30.11)
Either I'm confused by this article or the whole Israeli government is confused because this article clearly disses Bibi's "peace partners"!!! We ALL know what this article is stating and have been giving the SAME opinions in these "talkbacks" and in other articles. But it doesn't matter how loudly this information is shouted at the Lukid government, Bibi will be standing in front of the U.S. Congress conceding what little left Israel has to give away, and all the while, the silence in the National Camp is deafening!!! Better hope there's a coup while he's in the U.S. because there will NOT be an "Israel" left for him to come back too once he gives it away!!!
11. no, a nation of idiots
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (04.30.11)
any people who teach their children to hate and teach their children that killing and/or sacrificing themselves is a nation that doesn't deserve anything but defeat.
12. To Salma
Rafi ,   Montreal, Canada   (04.30.11)
Some of you do cherish life...I know that..but how many?...you can find those within the Israeli Arabs who have come to understand that the Jewish monster is actually very human and less threatening that the Arab brothers....but surely the majority of youth and kids are indoctrinated on how to glorify death and martyrdom. Corrupt Arab leaders and dictators have made the life of many so miserable that death became less scary than life....with the promises to a perfect after life, martyrdom is less heroic that perceived...and a sad solution to a painful life on earth.
13. Humanity Haters call it Resistance. G-D calls it MURDER
Linda Rivera ,   New York, USA   (04.30.11)
Everyone knows when the Islamics use the word, "resistance" it is a euphemism for MURDER. G-D commanded: YOU SHALL NOT MURDER Islam instructs Muslims to conquer all nations and all peoples and subjugate them under excessively cruel Islamic sharia law where defensive non-Muslims have NO human rights. Jihad is an obligation in the Koran.
14. To #8
Beary White ,   Norway   (04.30.11)
You have to understand the fiction of martyrdom is just an islamic gimmic of putting something glorious onto killings, with some kind of backing from religious words. So, do not let your hatred mind defend the bad side of islam, like the fiction of martyrdom, used as an inspiration to kill non-muslims (or muslims). It is very sad that islamic schools actually branwashes kids to actually be terrorists.
15. it is a nation mmmfullstop
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16. #8 Self-destructive and nothing more
Cynthia ,   USA   (04.30.11)
Pictures of dead martyrs line the streets of Gaza and the same mental illness is responsible for innocent lives lost at cafes in Morocco. Shame on you Salma for supporting these cowardly acts of terror and violence.
17. dear alex,
boris ,   nyc, us   (05.01.11)
first of all use of word nation in this context is wrong, there is no palestinian nation, only palestinian arabs( like palestinian jews), secondli these people not martyrs, they are only cannon fodder, used by their leaders, who payed by different muslim countries with only goal to destroy israel. Having "palestinian" state would complicate their goal, in terms of pr campaign and conducting terror, while not having a state give them many advantages to represent their terror as war against occupaition. Unless israel resolve problem of transfering palestinian arabs from Judea and Samaria (not so called w. bank) peace with arabs is not possible.
18. to Salma 8
john Darren ,   cairns-Australia   (05.01.11)
You are a terrorist supporter Salma-therefore a terrorist.How Ynet can post your lies etc is beyond me.I know that there is freedom of press etc but your stuff is treason against Israel.You should be locked up .
19. #5 Ari
Alan ,   New York USA   (05.01.11)
Dear Ari, Prime Minister Ben-Gurion did indeed say that. The quote by #2 is paraphrased, but the actual quote appears in Nahum Goldmann's biography. But you must read it in its entirety to understand the context.
20. #5 About the Ben Gurion quote
Ben Alofs ,   Bangor, UK   (05.01.11)
You don't seem very familiar with Zionist history. You are quite wrong calling n.d. (#2) a liar. This Ben Gurion quote is actually from a book "The Jewish Paradox" by Nahum Goldmann, an important Zionist leader. On page 99 of the book Goldmann describes a conversation he had with Ben Gurion in 1956, during which he made this remark.
21. Resistance isn t terrorism . Occupation is terrorism
Abdalla   (05.01.11)
We not give up till we are free
22. the "crips" and the "bloods" are
Barney ,   USA   (05.01.11)
a nation of martyrs also. they have a lot in common with the "palis". Israel should face the facts. build out the rest of the land. transfer the hostile arab population. allow the peaceful arabs to remain and the hell with world opinion. look at the arab world. it is up in flames. no redeeming features at all. face the facts it is the source of a lot of the world's ills today. they hate each other as much at they hate everyone else. hate is their sustenance.
23. Let them. As far as they leave us in peace.
Daniel ,   Israel   (05.01.11)
24. #21 Abdalla
Albrecht Klein ,   Germany   (05.01.11)
Occupation of what?!? There has never been an Arab state or nation called "Palestine" in the Middle East. Or do you have different information? In this case, it would be nice if you could share it with us.
25. # 11 - exactly and coz of that israel will defeat
Jalal ,   Gaza   (05.01.11)
please feel free to watch israeli kids have their lessons of hating an killing other palestinian kids and guess what > it's easy to find just google it "israeli kids"
26. Terrorists,kidnappers, suicidal assassins?
Martyrs? ,   WORLD   (05.01.11)
you call these garbage martyrs- ohhhhhhhhh pulissssssse - play the violins and bring the tissues
27. #20; Ben,So what does that prove
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (05.01.11)
Yes he said it, you have one quote, if you want a battle of quotes try this: There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today... No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough". - Joseph Farah, "Myths of the Middle East" - here is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it". - Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 - "There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not". - Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 - BTW Hitti testified at the UN against Israel.. "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria". - Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 - SAME year, Ben Gurion made his remarks. Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated: "The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years". I'm just getting started, when it comes to quotes if that's the proof, you lose hands down!!
28. 2, 15, 19 - it's a distorted version of what Ben Gurion said
Added a link inside   (05.01.11)
In the same conversatin, Ben Gurion said that the Jews were originated in the land of Israel, but the Arabs don't care about it. You can found the full original quote from Goldman's book here: http://www.emuna.info/ARDetile.asp?id=339&Catogory=17&SubID=300
29. Wagamama.....
Anna M Sedda ,   Rome-italy   (05.01.11)
Is the core of palestinian life...
30. Salma - "Muqaween" = war crimes.
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (05.01.11)
No, Salma, you Palestinians don't love life. What you call "Muqaween" is a cheap Arabic word to try and disguise war crimes as "resistance". You Palestinians have lied about this for decades, claiming that bus bombings, rockets, shootings, and fire bombings all aimed at Israeli civilians are your "legitimate right to resist the occupation." You means to an end is illegitimate. It is illegal. You commit crimes against humanity and pretend that it is "resistance". It's easy to see how much you Palestinians cherish life and teach your children about peace. Any person can go to Google images, and plug in the words "Palestinian child bomber" and see what the real meaning of "muqaween" is. It is an end it itself, that should be in the international court of justice.
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