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There will be no return
Nahum Barnea
Published: 16.05.11, 12:57
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61. To: No. 63
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.17.11)
Sixty-three years ago, five Arab armies invaded the State of Israel one day following the establishment of the modern state. They thought they'd win; they didn't. Israel has had to endure six wars, all started by the Arabs, and seven decades of unrelenting Arab terror. You cannot put toothpaste back into the tube. The ersatz "Palestinians" have been vanquished. Israel will not relinquish a centimeter of soil; any more than France will cede Alsace and Lorraine to Germany. To the victor belongs the spoil. Israel has been six times victorious. The ersatz "Palestinians" can go build their state either in Gaza or in Jordan. We've had enough of their endless whining.
62. to #4 from Beirut
EZ   (05.17.11)
Nahum is not afraid. Only confused. He thought he could make peace with neighbors by negotiating. But now that it is becoming clear that he is wrong, he will eventually catch on, as will all of the previously confused Israelis. Then...
63. well..
Common sense ,   JERUSALEM   (05.17.11)
Why cant you?? well because u started a war, in which you and your other arab friends lost. The arabs were the ones to engage a destructive war against the jews in 48. And now all of yall are being soar loosers. get over it. U lose, u snooz. Live with it. Deal with it. stop whining, the world is tired of you. instead of whining, do something useful, like giving a normal education to palestinian school children, and not teach hate which incites violence
64. Why Pali Arabs live in camps in Syria? not in cities?!
Arabs in EU aren't   (05.17.11)
Arab and Moslems from many Moslem countries who have become refugees in Europe and U.S aren't living in refugee camps. actulaly no immingrants are kept in refugee camps in U.S. we don't have Iranian refugee camp, or Pakistani refugee camps in U.S . in Israel there are no camps for jewish refugees who were forced out of Arab Moslem countries and their lands occupied by Arabs. there are no Iraqi or Yemenite or Egyptian Jewish refugee camps in Israel. but in Syria an Lebanon the so-called Palestianisn live in camps and not with other people in theos countrires. is this becuase of Arab Racism? or is this just a game Arabs are playing with the world , pretending to be oppressed people and finding a nice way of making money from Europe and U.S? If they live like other people in Syria in Syrian cities they won't be able to make money from Europeans. I wonder why isn't Saudi Arabia and other rich Arab and Moslem countries supporting Palestinian? It wasn't the fault of Europeans that Arab countries and their armies attacked Israel and wanted to destroy it and kill all the Jewish people living in Israel. all thoes Arab racists planned a genocide against Jews and the lost. they are the one who should pay for this mess.
65. Re: My post at No. 61
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.17.11)
My post should have been addressed to No. 60. Another of those pesky Mondays, putting out fires that should never have been set in the first place ..... Apologies to all.
66. there will be no return
alexx ,   usa   (05.17.11)
Some clarifications are due : 1. Palestine WAS historically the territory that has been called JORDAN over the last several decades.1.Even some of this land was your homestead for several generations, if your parents chose to abandon it in a lost war, you cannot get it back.The Arab population that chose to stay in the new State of Israel after 1948 are doing very well, thank you.3.Other than the shameless agitation and anti-Israel propaganda of hate your shallow leaders of the past 60 years,what kept you alive was generous donations of distant strangers. If your leaders set a reasonable agenda to make your people productive and emancipated, instead of plundering that generous aid (see Arafat Eorope stashed away Bilions), you wouldn't be living in this continuous pie-in-the-sky dream ! Israel is here to stay, and 4 wars you lost to us should have been enough of a message !
67. Because, Salma, the
babawawa ,   new york, usa   (05.17.11)
land was never yours. You lived here, but you never made it your country because you never got it from G-d. Think of yourself as a Caananite - you had your time and now it's up.
68. to #5, Terry - AKHBARBARISM
GURINGO   (05.17.11)
There's a clash of cultures and then the culture of clash, I call it akhbarbarism, as it's time to name and kill that beast, for no peace is possible beforehand; they must come to embrace 'live and let live', or perish under their reprehensible 'rule or be ruled'.
69. #4: how pathetic
(05.17.11)
Actually yesterday a few thousands thugs throwing stones at about 10 soldiers. "Unarmed" my foot. And I wouldn't call 10 soldiers facing such barbaric and dangerous violence cowards. Instead of appreciating the fact that the soldiers didn't massacre dozens of your brothers, you call them brothers. Have no mistake, if Israel was ever in real danger, all your brothers would have been lying dead with bullets in their head.
70. 59
birdi ,   israel   (05.17.11)
come on sweetpea, try it. i dare you to ''come and take ashkelon'' put your money where your big mouth is.
71. Re: Sarah B...
Shane Khashab ,   Beirut, USA,Lebanon   (05.17.11)
My dear Sarah... I have read you quick and short article and I am really impressed by your knowledge? But sorry to say it has come a little short a so is your memory my lady.. Remember the July, 2006, the 33day war in Lebanon? Read more about it. But read the truth from truthful writers from your own and the worlds. Read the article written on your troops state of psychology right after the war, read the reviewing committee's reports about that war. Time have REALLY changed. I bid you well S. K.. Leb.
72. Re: #36M...
Shane Khashab ,   Beirut Leb/ USA   (05.17.11)
Dear #36M.... Are you kidding???? Have you ever read anything about the Government of Palestine? Read history my friend! You say that the Arabs don't read. But what about your kind? I am shocked of your ignorance of history.. Be your own person and push the table away from you and say in a strong voice: "No more Jello For me MOM"!!! Be well.. S. K... Lebanon/ USA...
73. Re: Jalal, Gaza...
Shane Khashab ,   Beirut, Lebanon..   (05.17.11)
My dear friend... What is an ashkelon? S. K. Lebanon..
74. What does he mean: We shall return our settlers to our count
NuritG ,   Bevely Hills USA   (05.17.11)
What does he mean: We shall return our settlers to our country; the settlers are in our country!?!?!?! This is the elephant in the room: Israelis must stop relating to Judea and Samaria is if it is a freight land, it is Israel a much a Teal Aviv if not more!
75. you came back after 2000 years and so you think 63 years is
saleh ,   jerusalem   (05.17.11)
76. To N 4
Luiz Felipe Haddad ,   Brazil   (05.17.11)
I do regret your talkback. I am Christian too, from Lebanese ascendence, and I endorse, firmly, the State of Israel. I think peace is possible among Her and Arab Palestine, since honoured and secure for the both ones. It is our duty to uphold it. Remember how your country has suffered because of intolerance and radicalism. Remember the awful Holocaust. Then, respect your Jewish neighbors and don't harm our religion.
77. #71
litvac120   (05.17.11)
The 2006 war was provoked by Hizballa and Israel had no choice but to respond. The level of the response was an issue and the Israeli Government of that time headed by Ohlmert could not decide. As things developed the decision to occupy Southern Lebanon was made too late. All in all, the original decision to punish Hizballa was achieved; to totally destroy Hizballa would have required much more blood and treasury, and would have been probably counterproductive. Israel analysis its mistakes openly while the others always shout what a great victory then won. I wish they keep their delusions, it would be much harder for Israel if they did't. Litvac120
78. #75 saleh, jerusalem
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (05.17.11)
We NEVER left !!
79. to anna
chahrazed ,   barbaria .algeria   (05.17.11)
ha ha ha the jews don't want to go back there really what can we say about the algerians jews in france they chose france for israel .example enrico masias cry for visit algeria . is summer in canada? i heard that the free over mad crazy
80. #73 Shane Khashub
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (05.17.11)
Ashkelon is in Israel, it's on the map, Jalal has never been there and isn't going to go
81. civic resistance
infidel ,   Universe   (05.17.11)
Who talked about military, the Christian said civilians :)
82. #72 Shane Kashub
solomon ,   bklyn   (05.17.11)
Dear, Dear Shane...Enlighten us. What "Government of Palestine"? The only one I could find began 22 September 1948, AFTER Israel declared independence. Also the following (see especially last 14 words): "From December 1947, the mufti pleaded with the Arab League for the establishment of a Palestinian government to manage the affairs of the country and direct the struggle against the Jews, but his pleas fell on deaf ears. He and his colleagues on the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) were progressively marginalized. Thus, when the British mandate over Palestine expired and the State of Israel was proclaimed on 15 May 1948, the Arabs of Palestine had no government, no administrative regime, and no unified military command." You can find this at: http://www.answers.com/topic/all-palestine-government This is the "history"? What about the history of arabs coming from arabia only in the 600's AD, of many coming in the early 1900's only after the economy improved because of the Jews that came in the late 1800's, or the arabs who came at the behest of Jordan in 1948 after Jordan made the area under it's control judenrein?!
83. why salma
Real vision ,   usa   (05.17.11)
Because not once in 63 years have your palestinian arabs made any concessions or movement toward making peace with the jews and with israel. You have always tried violence and conflict and not peaceful coexistence, and that is why there is a wall and why there is a blockade on gaza. Lay down your weapons and recognize israel and the game changes. But keep saying that you will drive the jews into the sea keeps you in the cesspool for another generation
84. to #4
John ,   Alaska   (05.18.11)
I don't know if Christian is your name or a descriptor; this talkback assumes the latter. 63 years ago, God rebirthed the nation of Israel in fulfillment of Matthew 24:32-34 and several Old Testament prophecies. Since that time, the enemies of God's people, the Jews have surrounded Israel and tried to get rid of the Jews, and every time, God delivered His people, again in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies. The only prophecies left to fulfill are all nations turning against Israel, God bringing all nations to war against Israel, and God then destroying all the armies of these nations who are fighting against His people, the Jews. And of course, that Jesus Christ will return and bodily save national Israel in fulfillment of various prophecies in the Revelation as well as several Old Testament prophecies. As your brother in Christ (again, I'm assuming Christian is a descriptor, not just your name), I implore you: stop fighting against God's people, the Jews. Jesus Christ, who is "the light of the Gentiles and the glory of His people Israel", is coming back to save Israel. You don't want to be part of the enemies He returns to save the Jews from.
85. Right og Return
liam ,   ireland   (05.18.11)
If Israel has decided that there will be no two state solution and no right of return, fine. But tell that, not just to the Palestinians but the world. And then no whining. You will have unending wars with an unsympathetic world, including the U.S and a U.N solution. All followed by civil war with the Ultra Orthodox nuts that Israel proper is subsidizing. Good luck
86. #30 - an excellent post
thank you   (05.18.11)
87. to #85 Liam - You Are Right!
John ,   Alaska   (05.18.11)
not about the unending war threat, nor your hope that Israel will tear herself apart, and certainly not about your implication that Israel must give her heartland away to her enemies. You are very right that the time will come when literally every nation is arrayed against Israel, when God Himself draws every nation to war against Israel. So that this same God can destroy every army of every nation and save His people, the Jews. It's in the Bible - count on it. Israel doesn't need your luck; Israel belongs to God Almighty.
88. #19 stupid Talula can you answer three questions for Israel?
Deutronomy 28 ,   World   (05.21.11)
1. Who was the president/prime minister of Israel before 1948? 2. What was the currency of Israel before 1948? 3. What was the capital of Israel before 1948? You can confer with your parents and grandparents if that helps you.
89. #30 there is 22 Arab states but there is one Palestine
Deutronomy 28 ,   World   (05.21.11)
Your argument is so dumb, if two nations speak the same language it makes them one state? So I ca tell Americans England is there country because they speak the same language? My god zionists are dumber then I thought get some education dumb ass lol
90. The Myth of Return (UN Res 181.I(C)(3))
Aaron Small   (05.22.11)
UN Resolution 181 does at Part I, Section C, Ch.3 expressly and unequivocally preclude the return of any Arab to the Jewish State (and vice versa) as at the time of Recognition by each of the other. For the purpose of that section, recognition took place in 1993 (Yasser Arraffat, prior to Oslo). Anyone living outside the borders of the Jewish State, in the borders as they stood at that time, has no "Right of Return". Stop citing misread, partial (and out of context) readings of UN Resolutions. The UN Resolution specifically, unequivocally and directly prohibits Arabs who lived outside Israel's borders from "returning" to the same. The same Section (ie. I/C) expressly states that the rules given therein may not be overidden by an law/resolution.
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