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'Obama knows Israel won't retreat to '67 lines'
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Published: 21.05.11, 13:32
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1. HEY OBAMA, DUH!! BIBI IS PROTECTING JEWISH NATIVE LAND IN
GLENN ,   YUCAIPA,USA   (05.21.11)
ISRAEL!
2. Laugh Out Loud
NadMan ,   Palestine   (05.21.11)
He clearly said a palestinian state should be live according to 67 line, with little swaps, where did you get this news from? oh maybe he was drunk while he's making his speech.. .
3. Why 1967?
Deebo_ ,   Holon   (05.21.11)
In an article in the WSJ written by FM Danny Ayalon back in 2009 he nicely summarizes some history on the 1967 lines: - Land was never governed by any country prior to 1948. - Annexed by Jordan in 1949 after the War of Independence in which 5 Arab countries simultaneously invaded Israel seeking to destroy it minutes after it declared independence. - Jordan insisted that the area not be an internationally recognized border, rather an armistice line and had military purposes only. - The armistice line was arbitrarily drawn with a green pen. - The often misquoted UN Resolution 242 states only mentions peace within secure and recognized borders but never mentions where those borders are. The "Green Line" was never meant to be anything permanent. - The drafters of the resolution knew that the 1967 lines were "undesirable and artificial". - A quote by Eugene Rostow, drafter of resolution 242: "(Based on the original British mandate of Palestine, the Jewish right of settlement in Palestine west of the Jordan River, that is, in Israel, the West Bank, Jerusalem, was made unassailable. That right has never been terminated and cannot be terminated except by a recognized peace between Israel and its neighbors." So... why 1967? Why leave Israel with an indefensible 14 km bottleneck where most of its population lives? Why are these questions being ignored by most of the world?
4. Obama
Leon ,   Grand Rapids, USA   (05.21.11)
American Jews voted for this loser to show that they're not racists. Now they have to vote against him to show they're not idiots.
5. Obama the trouble maker
Marcel ,   Florida   (05.21.11)
Instead of demanding that Israel retreat to the Auschwitz lines why didn't he tell the Palestinian's to retreat to Jordan or move to Syria ? Israel is too easy to push around and this must end. Get tough to survive.
6. What a load of b's, Obuma knew what he was saying
Vicky ,   Ashkelon Israel   (05.21.11)
Knew it would cause a ruckus, and showed his true colours. Now what are the US Jews going to do about it? They are so up their own arses that they would probably still vote for him, regardless of the fact that they would be next. Have we not learnt anything from the holocaust that we want to kill ourselves again! IF I FORGET THEE OH JERSUALEM! They have forgoten, and therefore they are not Jews. And all their hypocritical dovening will not save their souls.
7. IS BO against right of return too????
(05.21.11)
no ritght of return for palis.
8. Right, Mr Zuhari
John ,   Herzliya, Israel   (05.21.11)
You are right, Mr Zuhari, negotiations are absurd. So, the only thing that remains is war, I guess. But then, don't run to UN five minutes after IDF starts kicking your ass...
9. Obama is a joke
(05.21.11)
He should have gone to Hollywood, not to White House. The guy has no principles and keeps changing his statements and views. He promised to close down Guantanamo, but he did nothing. He promised peace, environmentally-friendly politics, employment, properity etc...but could achieve none of those. Tomorrow, he might change again, Obama is Mr U-Turn.
10. Damage control.
Terry ,   Eilat - Israel   (05.21.11)
He stepped in sh*t & now he's trying to clean it off his shoes. But, enough of it sticks & still smells. Amateur-hour at the White House.
11. Israel will last...Hussein Obama will not !
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (05.21.11)
12. Obama cant go against...
petr vojta ,   prag   (05.21.11)
We all know Obama cant go against US knesset and AIPAC - nothing new. Just the game derail promissing peace process again and speed up occupation, build more illegal setlements and continue oppress palestine people - native population of the land.Til bitter end for all...petr czech
13. Obama Agenda
AlbertoGA ,   St. George, USA   (05.21.11)
To dispose of others properties as if it was his own. In this particular case Israel is not for SALE, Now or in the future. During the WHouse interview. Obama turned green. Good for him. HE deserved the moment. It was an insult to invite Natanyahu and then 24 hours before to impose a solution that is equal to Suicide. No other US president did this. Shame on him and his Leftist Admin.
14. MORE LIES FROM PALLYWOOD
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (05.21.11)
Again we see the how the Pals and their leaders distort the truth. We Have Abu Zuhar, complaining that BiBi remarks somehow "prove" that he's not serious about peace talks, Really? What about Hamas statements saying they will 1) never recognize Israel, 2) will NOT negotiate with Israel; 3) that want to preserve the future right to destroy Israel. Now compare those three remarks by Hamas to BiBi stating that the 67 borders are indefensible, that Israel will not agree to those lines as borders. When will the Arabs ever state the truth?
15. Well Bunky,...
Gideon Reader ,   USA   (05.21.11)
...he sure as sh-t, knows now. It's a little early for it, but, I would opine that ZerObama has had his first Summer School Seminar in Geopolitics and Middle East history, courtesy of Israel PM Netanyahu. Considering as how ZerObama is alleged to be so freaking smart, I'm kinda surprised and shocked, that he was so weak and wishy washy on these subjects./s Oh well. When ALL of your staffers are spring loaded to the anti-Israel/anti-JOOO; pro Muslim, pro-Arab position, poor staff briefs are sure to follow, as leftist corruption. Hell! There must be sosmeone he can blame. WAIT!! I have it,......The JOOOOOOOOOS.
16. Obama Erred Typically.So What Else is New
Noah Lev ,   HollywoodUSA   (05.21.11)
Look, Obama made a mistake in bringing up the subject, certainly before his meeting. But he is not exctly known for his smartness, in most everything. He screwed the country with Obamacare prior to the economy, and may lose the election in 1.5years, better for the country. Any Republican, including Palin, would be better for US. He has no policy in the M.E. (see Syria), except to wait it out..and see whose winning. No country has any respect for US..either support dictators (Arabia), or let them die and abandom them when the heat gets too hot ( The Arabs are playing this to a hilt, typically). Israel offered them a country several times..to the 3 nos. Nothing has changed. They want everything, including Tel Aviv. and the area ethnically cleansed of Jews, secular to ultra.No Jew can live in the new Pales..yet 1.4m Arabs live in Israel. Wowowo. Talk about fairness, love and cooperation. Okay, so Obama blundered, lets move on to Sept..and the UNSC and GA.Then watch the fur to Israel: call up your reserves..guard your newly annexed W. Bk areas. If the UN impliments a boycott...let it hurt your Arab population the most. If anyone attacks you ( UN forces) use your 500 F15s and 16s,. I mean come on. Even NATO cannot defeat Libya. Knowing my fellow Jews, he will still get money and 85% of our Jewish vote. Oy vey!
17. Speech
Jorge ,   Israel/USA/Argentina   (05.21.11)
There is a problem with all speech of Obama: He always says things that he does not mean, another example the State of Union speech. This mistake is going to to end in 610 days. Do not waste tiem and money in re-elections
18. #4 Leon, Grand Rapids, USA
Terry ,   Eilat - Israel   (05.21.11)
That was very good. Right to the point.
19. #3 built post 67
(05.21.11)
them settlements were built post 1967 and the government knew they were breaking international law building them. so it is wrong to reward those who break the law. one state solution is the only solution, start a civil rights movement and an anti-apartheid movement. then get arab leaders to give 5000 dollars to all muslim new born children to grow the population and get an overall majority and take power back from oppressors
20. HYPOCRISY!
Josh ,   U.S.   (05.21.11)
Did anyone read the full text of his speech? This waste of space is sooooo worried about his puppetmaster ISRAEL, and giving billions of dollars to countries in exchange for compliance with the U.S. agenda. When will repression in the U.S. fail? When will the tyrants HERE fall? Why are WE treated like criminals when WE rebel against fascist oppression? HAARP, FEMA, and BP destroy our lives, then we're illegally abused, searched, and detained by cops and soldiers for defending OUR human rights! Why not give BILLIONS of dollars to U.S. victims of HAARP, FEMA and BP? AMERICANS ARE SUFFERING TOO!!! Screw ISRAEL, screw OBAMA and screw UNCLE SAM.
21. There it is #19, you just created world peace...
d   (05.21.11)
(rolls eyes)
22. #3 Wrong to reward Lawbreakers
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (05.21.11)
then why should the so-called Palestinian's receive anything at all, they broke the Law when they attacked Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967 & 1973 Anti-Apartheid, you have to start with the Koran, which refers to all non-Muslims as Dhimmis to be considered as of a lesser value than Muslims How about naming the last 3 rulers of your Fictional Palestine ? What were it's borders ? Explain why there is no mention of Palestine in the Koran, since you claim i't's yours ? Don't be bashful, fess up !!
23. The land grab will not work
Tomek ,   Poland   (05.21.11)
Post 1967 Israel wanted to create a new reality and then force the world to accept it. That's why the massive settlement program in the occupied territories has been undertaken. Of course, this gamble is not going to work because Israel does not have enough leverage to force the world to accept the new reality it has created. But I think nothing will go to waste because at least Palestinians will have houses waiting for them. Providing accommodation for Palestinians is the least Israel can do as a way of compensation for years and years of abuse.
24. To # 23 Tomek ,Poland - WILL U GIVE SLAZK & POMORZE BACK TO
Avinu ,   USA   (05.21.11)
German ? Will you give ? Your country Poland is MOST ANTISEMITIC COUNTRY IN WORLD .
25. Obama's Idiocy
Joe K ,   Silicon Valley, USA   (05.21.11)
Get real. If Obama is 'against' the 67 lines, why has he stated them as a 'starting point' for negotiations, reinforcing his earlier anti Israel blunders in hardening Arab negotiating positions? Methinks someone is overly desperate in supporting this Moron who is destroying US foreign policy and international standing. Wake up and smell the coffee...Obama is an enemy of the Jewish People, using Jewish self doubt and liberal attitudes against us. Get him out of power fast. While you are at it, get the Israeli Left to own up to the peril they have created for Jewish Life with their weakening of Israeli deterrence.
26. Terry, Eilat - Israel
Steve ,   USA   (05.21.11)
LOL! Hey buddy, you stole my thunder with the "Amateur-hour at the White House." statement! Right on the mark Terry. Bibi made him look like an amateur at their meeting. The radio shows that evening (here in the US) gave him, (Bibi) much praise for his response to this bull. I think that if BN would run for President in the US, he'd win right now. I've not heard any of this 'back-stepping' that this article talks about today on TV at all. Must have been on MSNBC or CNN as I watch Fox when I want to listen to news. The other stations must have had to step in (it) again to defend him. The 'Obama blunder' was the talk of the day (and yesterday) on Fox. Glenn Beck has been talking about 'event' this for a couple of days also (almost exclusively). He is a true friend of Israel and the Jewish people. At a time that we really need some friends.
27. To #24
vd ,   Poland   (05.21.11)
Slask and Pomorze are in recognized borders of Poland. After WW2 there was international conference which decided about that. There was no international recognition of incorporation of occupied territories into Israel. Even 1967 borders are not really borders. Only ceasfire lines. Israel was invaded in 1948, but survived and expanded territory. Original borders were indeed indefensible and Arabs gambled, and lost. Almost whole world de facto accepted this. Six Days War was technically israeli aggression, and land grabs, and occupation abuses are not accepted. Israel an Arabs must find peaceful solution or sooner or later something terrible will happen. I don't want to read news about Tel-Aviv, or Cairo, or Teheran crater, or new all-out war. Main problem is israeli policy in occupied territories. New land grabs and abuses only generate more violence. Arab terror is only pretext to harsh treatment. They are so ineffective, that statistically they are less dangerous than road accidents. Rumours about founding of Hamas with israeli help may be true. Divide et impera. Arabs are stupid enough to fight each other and to give pretext to more israeli violence. But one day they will start to think, and unite themselves, abandon terror, recognise right of Israel to exists, and it will be end of occupation. What about your shout about antisemitism? You try to insult Tomek, or Poles?
28. #24 Slask and Pomorze
Tomek ,   Poland   (05.21.11)
were given to Poland as a compensation for the land lost to the Soviets in the East. You cannot draw any parallel between Poland and Israel in this respect. First of all, the united Germany accepted the new Polish-German border (none of the Israel's neighbors accepted the post-1967 reality). Secondly, this was not a land grab as, overall, the Polish territory got smaller as a result of all the border shifts post-1945. Moreover, Poland is not an anit-semitic country, let alone the most anit-semitic country in the world. I thought that the current mantra was that Iran was the most anti-semitic country. When did it change?
29. To # 27 & # 28 POLAND INDEED IS MOST ANTISEMITIC
Avinu ,   USA   (05.21.11)
country . There are documents exist , everywhere in cities on walls etc. Just read COMMENTS on polish onet.pl forum full of insults to Jews & Israel.
30. To 27 - 1967 war Israel was on defense
Kenny ,   USA   (05.21.11)
You are incorrect when you claim Israel was the aggressor in 1967. The war was started by Egypt when it put a naval blockade on Israeli shipping in the Straits of Tiran. Even the UN accepted that Israel acted in self defense in 1967 and legally Israel is justified in keeping all territories it captured. That may not be the smart thing to do, but it would be legal. Please do not comment on matters of which you are totally uninformed.
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