Abbas: Netanyahu speech not basis for talks
Elior Levy
Published: 25.05.11, 19:31
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1. Come into my parlor ....
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.25.11)
... said the spider to the fly. Netanyahu -- in a positively brilliant and inspired speech -- came across as accommodating, generous, and willing. The ersatz "Palestinians" now come across as obstinate, recalcitrant and not well grounded in geopolitical reality. Their whole "history" is now exposed as a pack of lies and delusional thinking. Talk of a third intifada will only further point up the fact that they are a violent people who have no interest in co-existing with Israel; they are interested exclusively in supplanting Israel. Twist to the left -- there's that "unity agreement" between Fatah and Hamas which may rank as the most stupid thing that Abbas has ever done (and that's saying something!). Twist to the right -- Abbas now must recognize the right of the State of Israel to exist in its ancient homeland; he now must acknowledge the essential identity of the State of Israel as a Jewish state; he must ackinowledge that a return to 1967 borders is simply not going to happen; he must agree that Jerusalem will not be divided, ever; and he must abandon any claim to a "right of return." No -- Abbas is twisting in the wind. Netanyahu is a genius and Abbas is a terrorist. We are now in the denouement of the ersatz "Palestinian" cause. They have none. It's all over, except for the passing out of sweets throughout Medinat Israel.
2. As I am a fan of Monthy Phyton, I am also
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (05.25.11)
a "fan" of Mr. Abbas....LOL
stude ham   (05.25.11)
about the last thing we need to do is to give you back, on any kind of platter, any of the lands which we have now reclaimed from your foreign arab invasions. BUILD ISRAEL BUILD!
4. Why don't you, Mr. Abbas, try Israel: accept its legitimacy,
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (05.25.11)
its right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people - a simple declarative move, that of course should be made in Arabic, Hebrew and English - and see the reaction of Jews, within and without our nation-state!! The fact that you refuse to make such a step is very telling about your true "vision", one in which the region would not have a nation-state of the Jewish people on ANY piece of land between the River and the Sea!! Prove us wrong, Sir, would you...??
5. So, Abbas thinks Congress is negative?
Terry ,   Eilat - Israel   (05.25.11)
After all, Netanyahu got 29 standing ovations according to some accounts, bi-partisan ovations, at that. So,if the US Congress, the representatives of the American people, agreed with all of Netanyahu's positions, that means Abbas is saying Congress should be viewed as ''negative'' ...... Does Abbas think that the money provided to his corrupt dictatorship which partners with a recognized terrorist organization, by US taxpayers, is also negative? If Abbas, a shnorrer, had any pride or honour, he would immediately reject American aid money. But something tells me that in the near future, Congress will be cutting that aid anyway.
6. Thank You, Netanyahu : )
Salma ,   Palestine   (05.25.11)
7. The UN will recognize the Nation of Palestine
Joseph Blough   (05.25.11)
And then will start the imposing of sanctions on Israel to end the occupation. Israel is poised to become even more of a pariah than it is already, which cannot be good from an Israeli perspective.
8. There never was
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (05.25.11)
Netanyahu imposed a racist freeze on Jewish building in Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem, and allowed Barak to set-up special police units to hunt the Jews while abandoning their security. Netanyahu gave Abbas massive help in building Arab houses in Judea and Samaria, illegally taking over land, including building Rawabi, the first Arab city not occupying the ruins of a Jewish or Samaritan village. In return, Israel was increasingly isolated and condemned. Abbas refused to negotiate and instead made public his alliance with Hamas, calling for extermination of every Jewish man woman and child in Israel. The fact is that there never was any basis for talks, and Abbas knows it.
9. Abbas: not for talks
Yonatan ,   Yerusalem   (05.25.11)
and yet another one misses the bus
Ellen ,   Israel/USA   (05.25.11)
I guess it was okay for Abbas to list all the preconditions for HIS talking with Israel. I guess Abbas thought Israel was totally stupid and incognizant of the fact that what he was asking was basic suicide--and the only thing apparently left to talk about would have been which method to utilize. Now along comes Netanyahu ( please continue to be strong) who talks to the American Congress AND corrects the American President. Congress seems to fully support Israel and now Israel is stating what she wants PRIOR to talking and indicating what won't be negotiated. Abbas is flipping out. All of a sudden someone forgot to bow and Israel has loudly and clearly told him NO!! I guess its' okay for him to demand, but not okay for his "peace partner" to also demand. Guess what--too D**n bad!
11. Let him go to UN it's actually better for Israel.
USA   (05.25.11)
Israel should also take unilateral steps and annex the territories.
12. PM's .speech no basis for talks.
DT ,   TA Israel   (05.25.11)
So PA chooses war I presume ? They will lose and lose big. Great chance to for removing "the problem "once and for all
13. Genuine peace= Arab YES to Jewish State
Menachem ,   Israel   (05.25.11)
Until the Arab leaders tell their people in Arabic to recognize the Jewish state and respect their Jewish neighbors genuine peace in the Mideast will keep shining with its absence. No whitewashing of this fundamental fact will change the reality.
14. I am always amazed when reading a
RobJohn ,   Seattle, Wash.   (05.25.11)
response from Abbas. He never disappoints me. When offered an opportunity to reply to a speech by his 'peace partners' he comes up with nothing. He makes no reponse of any kind. I don't understand why that is. I would think that most legitimate persons, intent on making progress in such endeavours would read the opposites comments and then make an effort to respond in an intellegent, constructive manner. He could have made a response as to why he wouldn't regognize Israel, or why he wouldn't accept the parameters of Netanyahu or any other based upon the context of the speech. But, no, he says nothing, "There is nothing in the speech that suggests peace. And, I'll be running to that other body of such enlightened minds, the UN, in Sept. to hopefully get someone to side with me and my minions. Surely, this body of upright minds will come alongside me and support me. Surely."
15. Indeed, Thank you Nyet & Yahoo
Nour ,   One-State   (05.25.11)
The UN shall admit Palestine. Palestine and 190 countries will exchange ambassadors. ICJ and ICC and numerous other institutions will validate and justify full economic sanctions and a boosted BDS movement. Fasten your seat belts - we have NO intention of dropping dead, or going anywhere else other than HOME!
16. Abbas is just jealous! LOL! Never spoke before congress
ZAL ,   USA   (05.25.11)
Yeah, when was the last time Abbas addressed a legitimate assembly from another non-Arab nation and got standing ovations? Not. The speech had NO hidden agenda: it was a wide open display of Americas acceptance and support of Israel and the contributions they've made.
17. OK this is whats gona happen
Oren ,   Israel/NJ   (05.25.11)
now however much I do respect and like netanyahu he really said things and set conditions that he knows damn well Abbas and palis wont go for so he obviously doesnt exactly want peace right not many really recognize how difficult a decision it is to give up the West bank and pull out and make peace and how much harm it could bring if the same thing happens as Gaza and Hamas but give whats going on in the ME and all the sweeping riots and coups if the UN recognizes the Palestinian state in September without a peace agreement and pull out by Israel there will be some kind of a intifada and i can bet it will not be like the last, i dont see it as a armed intifada besides maybe a scattered few...Israel will be the most isolated ever and inevitably they will pull out of the west bank...syria trying to take attention off itself will participate egypt as well with its new changes in policy etc...hezbollah may, probably unlikely, get involved as well from the north...this good be a huge version of what happened on Nakba day with the storming of the borders..forseeing what could happen israel must save face and work something out for her own sake
18. Has No Problem Using BHO's Speeches
Edward ,   Savnnah, USA   (05.25.11)
Seems that Abbas has NO problems using Uncle Obo's speeches as "starting points" for negotiations when the poser gives speeches slanted for the PA!!! Pharaoh said "no settlement construction for 10 months" Bibi said YES, and Abbas demanded that Israel adhere to what the poser had said. He was happy when the poser said Israel had to go BACK to the 1967 "lines" (he really meant boders but said LINES to give him wiggle room should anyone object) but NOW, he doesn't like what HE hears in the speeches so that is unacceptable to him as a "starting point"!!!??? It's WAY past time to kick him and the REST of his ilke BACK to Jordan where they belong!!!
19. #15 Country with no land exchanging ambassadors. heeheehee
Eli   (05.25.11)
20. Happy Abbas
tiki ,   belgium   (05.25.11)
Of course, now he found 'another excuse NOT to come to the table....Natanyahu's speech. If it's not B than its A, if not A its C, if not C it must be B or A, etc. etc.
21. #15 Tidal wave of Israeli innovation coming
GZLives   (05.25.11)
The more you boycott or sanction us, the more innovation you'll see as a result. Jews have historically been kept out of this or that and their response is not the usual Arab violence, the Jewish response is to build its own and often superior product. We will build our own defense weaponry, our own food supplies, our own technology and you will still be a cesspool of backwardness ... that's all that will happen. And fyi even S Africa all during the boycott days, had all the products available to it anyway often under different brand names.
22. The Palestinians are not against Israel as much as they are
John ,   USA   (05.25.11)
against the USA. They intend to encroach on the American interests and are working hard to obstruct the American position. Palestinians are helping the 22 fascist-like Arab regimes to stay in power by diverting the attention of the Arab population from the real issues to some imaginary solutions based on their sick fantasies and the make-beliefs.
23. #17 Oren
David ,   America   (05.25.11)
Have you ever considered a career in writing fairy tales? Israel will not be isolated to a point that will make any difference. Israel has the power, the will and the necessary tools to hold her land. Any two bit state in the region who wishes to try their hand at removing her will be the source of future myths.
24. #7 Joseph Blough
David ,   America   (05.25.11)
You better pray that you are wrong. Because if by some stretch of your imagination you are found to be correct, it will be advisable for you to begin your search for a cave where you can pray for the rocks to fall upon you and hide you from the Face of He, whom you will have to answer to for your war against His Land and His People. Most folks forget that it is HIS LAND! It is the place that He chose to Allow His Name to dwell forever! So, continue to Blough while you have the opportunity.
25. You don't want talks? OK.
Albrecht Klein ,   Germany   (05.25.11)
26. #15 Nour - "One state" indeed
Carl ,   USA   (05.25.11)
That is the reason Abbas is unable to reciprocate with meaningful negotiation. He has no intention of accepting Israel in any borders and hopes to supplant all of Israel with "Palestine," as you clearly agree.
27. "solutions before negotiations even started"
Carl ,   USA   (05.25.11)
Seems that's just what Abbas is proposing by going before the UN, unlike Netanyahu's offer to actually engage in negotiations. I think it is fairly typical for the parties involved in a negotiation to start with differing positions, else there isn't much to negotiate. Netanyahu expressed acceptance of a Palestinian state; can Abbas publicly accept the Jewish state of Israel?
28. To: No. 15
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.25.11)
Would you mind telling me exactly where those ambassadors and embassies will be located? Gaza? LOL!! You really have no idea what happened to the ersatz "Palestinians" yesterday, do you? Not really all that surprising -- the ersatz "Palestinians" have never had anything beyond a tenuous grip on reality at best.
29. Get ready for the one-state solution
HumHum   (05.25.11)
The only solution left is one state. Sarah B, what do u think will happen in the absence of a Palestinian state? We'll just demand the vote in the Knesset, that's what. Get over yourself, "ersatz Palestinians" lol lame. Wake up and smell the olives, one-state solution is coming your way, and no, Israel won't expel us to Jordan. It's not the 1940's anymore ;)
30. Abbas' fantasies are unsustainable and he has
Harry Wright ,   UK   (05.25.11)
finally been confronted with the fact. For too long, he has been allowed to nurture and expand on his fantasies until he and many others including the Europeans came to believe them. It must be a terrible experience for him to fall from Fantasy Land in the clouds, onto Terra Firma. The time for playing games are over.
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