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Obama and the truth
Ophir Falk
Published: 26.05.11, 11:51
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31. Obummer conveniently doesn't get a lot of things......
Wise Saba ,   Ma'agalim, Israel   (05.26.11)
Especially when it come to Israel.
32. Truth or Lies?
Sameer ,   Qatar   (05.26.11)
I feel sorry for people who are so desperate to twist facts by spreading lies. Jews history in Jerusalem is so insignificant comparing to the Romans, Islamic rulers and Cannanites before Israel kingdom. And did the author read the whole Quran to put this claim? Obviously not.
33. #26 1.5 Billion ARE Wrong
Dallas ,   Canada   (05.26.11)
That Jerusalem was contrived to be an Islamic holy site was out of convenience. Unless others can own Mecca in return, please stop pounding on the tired concept of Islamic supremacy because its idea of supremacy is offensive and plain wrong. So what if 1.5 billion are misguided - all that is is a testament to man's gullibility.
34. #1, how do you work that one out?
Danny   (05.26.11)
You honestly saying if the Jews hadn't fought in 1948 there would have been no bloodshed? Seriously?
35. Another anti-Obama piece - What about Netanyahu?
Marcella   (05.26.11)
Writing against Obama helps deflect the fact that the real danger lies with Israel's own leaders, who are too generous with land that is not theirs to give away. The Quartet is violating international law. They are violating the terms of the Legue of Nations Agreement, to which the UN is bound by law. ------------- Israelis should be outraged at the fact that their own leaders remain so silent about the country's under international law.
36. Mark Jeffery Koch should learn to read
Reader   (05.26.11)
The Statement as you noted: "The United States believes that through good-faith negotiations, the parties can mutually agree on an outcome which ends the conflict and reconciles the Palestinian goal of an independent and viable state, based on the 1967 lines, with agreed swaps, and the Israeli goal of a Jewish state with secure and recognized borders that reflect subsequent developments and meet Israeli security requirements.” Reads the first four words of the statement again. It say "The United States believes...." not Netanyahu, not Israel but the United States under President Obama. Is there something you did not understand ?
37. Obama truth
H. Avi Joshua ,   Yel Aviv Israel   (05.26.11)
cold not agree with it mte/ How true
38. To #30
Stan ,   Israel   (05.26.11)
Dear Susan I wish to G-d you are right, but as I understand things its a lot more complicated than that. MIGHT IS RIGHT unless it goes against Nato or the UN. SERBIA could have continued to control all of YUGOSLAVIA, but was forced by the UN to give independence to BOSNIA, CROATIA etc. SOUTH AFRICA where the Afrikaaners were told in their churches that G-d gave them the country was stronger than the ANC and all the African States on their borders, but were forced to give control to the BLACK MAJORITY by an ECONOMIC BOYCOTT which lasted for decades. Israel cannot be defeated in a war, but Israel cannot withstand an extended boycott and will cease to exist if we refuse to understand that without a serious withdrawal (including withdrawal from ARIEL) there will no longer be a JEWISH STATE in Israel
39. Obama flees from truth every chance he gets.
Chaim ,   Israel   (05.26.11)
Obama speaks of "truth" frequently in his teleprompted speeches. However, he flees from it every chance he gets. Which goes a long way to explain his wholesale destruction of the U.S. economy. Under Obama, America is suffering the highest sustained unemployment since the Great Depression. Obama's policy towards Israel is founded on hostility and total disregard for truth. Thus he pretends Israel is the aggressor and our foes the victims. A complete reversal of truth.
40. Telling it like it is
Graham ,   Calgary, Canada   (05.26.11)
Another well structured and well argued piece from from Ophir Falk.
41. Peace HAS to start with the TRUTH
Reality 101 ,   Jerusalem   (05.26.11)
That means MANDATORY history lessons to Arab children explaining the TRUE history of Israel and the Jews (not nakba day, hate education and complete fabrications). If this never happens, you will NEVER see peace. And even with it, it would take a generation or two before anyone can expect real results. Look at Obama himself. He got this hate Jews education. We see how it effected even him, and his was mild compared to what's taught here.
42. #6 barka, #26 yaakov
solomon ,   bklyn   (05.26.11)
#6- "Continuity of residence matters"- There were always Jews and Arabs living there since each community's arrival. Some always remained behind even when most were kicked out. The Jews arrived in 1000 BCE. The arabs arrived (ie Caliph Umar) in 637 AD. 1,637 years later. The ethnic cleansing you should be addressing is the fact that there is not one Jew in "Palestine" but many arabs in Israel, including judges and members of the Knesset. #26- Muhammed went to heaven from "the far place". NOWHERE does the Koran say this was Jerusalem. The only time all religions can pray freely in Jerusalem is now, when it is under Israeli control.
43. to 6 Barka
john Darren ,   cairns-Australia   (05.27.11)
Your post is utter nonsense-read post 16.You Arabs are your own worst enemies and that is why you are in such a miserable position.When you post lies on this site,do you think that anyone will agree with you?
44. #32 sameer
solomon ,   bklyn   (05.27.11)
Maybe YOU should read the entire Quran, where Jerusalem is not once mentioned; where it tells of the arab conquest from arabia in the early 600's AD. Also: Jewish kingdoms; approx. 1500 yrs Persia and Greece: approx. 400 yrs Rome: approx. 400 yrs. Byzantine: approx. 320 yrs. Arab: approx. 460 yrs. Crusader: approx. 190 yrs. Mamluk: approx. 200 yrs. Ottoman: approx. 400 yrs. British: approx 30 yrs. http://contenderministries.org/middleeast/timeline.php You were saying...?
45. Solomon
Sameer ,   Qatar   (05.27.11)
1500 years? Why dont you use a reliable source to add these years instead of using this racist anti muslim site? Wiki Jerusalem Also Ottoman+Mamluk+Arabs= Islamic rule. What about the Cannanites? Dont try to eliminate history like Israel is trying to eliminate the Palestinians, the original native people of this land.
46. not a matter of logic
smither ,   TA   (05.27.11)
Dear Smith, while Israel has many faults has and will likely continue to err, it appears that you're either naive beyond repair, or have little knowledge of modern history of the region.
47. Truth: Obama represented in coming Gaza Flotilla
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (05.27.11)
according to Commentary Magazine (see article in our Web Cafe) Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-observant Jew: Teimani, Baladi, Dor Dai Advocate for Discrete Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming all who choose to keep Torah (When questions to me go unanswered, they have refused to post it. Find our reply in our Web Café at www.netzarim.co.il)
48. Some history
Smither ,   TA, Israel   (05.27.11)
Dear Simon, It appears you forgot to do your history homework. There never was a Palestinian state, hence the term Palestinians is a misnomer. Yes, during the Ottoman period there were Muslims living in the area, but overall the land was very sparsely populated (read e.g. H. B Tristram's The Land of Israel, published in 1866). Only after the British conquered the land had the population thickened - with immigration of both Muslims and Jews. The entire foundation of your comment is unsubstantiated. Half truths may turn things topsyturvy...
49. #26...gay Muslim?
Dovid ,   Israel   (05.27.11)
Do you go on pilgrimages to Saudi Arabia? Or are you scared that you will be stoned? So much for devout...
50. #45 sameer
solomon ,   bklyn   (05.27.11)
1. Just because you don't agree with a site doesn't make it racist. The 1500 years begins at the time of the Judges. 2. "Palestinian" was a political construct invented in 1967. Read on: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism... Zuheir Mohsen, leader of the PLO. 3. Ottoman+Mamluk+Arabs= Islamic rule is still LESS than the Jewish kingdom. 4. Don't try to INVENT history. See paragraph 2 above. Arabs came from ARABia with the Muslim conquest in the 600's AD. And stop trying to make the Canaanites into Moslems as Muhammad wasn't even born at that time.
51. OBAMA WOULDN'T KNOW THE TRUTH IF IT BIT HIM IN THE ASS.
Bless Israel ,   USA   (05.27.11)
Only G-d knows what evil this pro muslim Prez holds in his black heart. We know for certain, Obama is an enemy of Israel and a bowing friend to the Saudis. ( maybe someone can educate him re: polite society and some real truth soon before he makes an ass of himself again?)
52. Israel's national decisions are not Obama's or the USA's or
Bless Israel ,   USA   (05.27.11)
the EU or anyone for that matter. The Dr's out on the Obama muslim thing as certainly, his 'rev. J. Wright in Chicago is about as christian as a pig. Israel will still be whole with ALL of Jerusalem as her capitol and the USA can take it or leave it. Obama just gifted the pals with 900 million. We see who he prefers and it is terrorists, not Israel. He'll most likely not win the next election. Good riddance to the worst US prez next to Jimmy peanuts for brains carter.
53. Sit on it.
Bless Israel ,   USA   (05.27.11)
54. Israel never belonged to arabs
Bless Israel ,   USA   (05.27.11)
they are squatters who infested Israel like lice. All of Israel belongs to the Jews. Don't like it? Move to Mecca Jack. Israel's s taken by her rightful owners, the Jews. There will never be a pal state.
55. HOW DARE YOU
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (05.28.11)
PUT OBAMA'S NAME & TRUTH IN THE SAME SENTENCE THEY DON'T EQUATE
56. #3 - Simon,put your money where your
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (05.28.11)
mouth is, back up your statement with some facts, anythign less is verbal flatulence I am so fed up about your lot claiming Israel as your "Ancient Homeland", without any of your lot able or willing to prove it Here are some rather simple questions, you be the genius and answer some of them, which, will of course prove your claim Name just three of its kings or rulers. What are their achievements? With which other peoples did the Palestinians interact? Where can one find any records where in the name of the country of Palestine or its people are mentioned? What Archaeological sites can one name? Where can one find the recorded history of these people? Whom did they conquer or were conquered by? Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or even now, leaves no room for misunderstanding? Can anyone name at least Five Palestinian leaders before Arafat? Since there is no such recognized country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur? Those who are lamenting the 'low sinking' of a 'once proud' nation, please tell us, when exactly was this proud nation brought down? By whom was it brought down? Also, what was it so proud of? And here are some very important historical facts and further relevant questions: Not even under the Ottoman Empire's 500 years occupation was the name of Palestine used for any part or section of the Holy Land for administrative purposes. If there were an entity called Palestine and its people Palestinians, it would beggar logic and belief that the Muslim Ottomans would not denote the area with their name. Simon, the ball is in your court, return it with the answers
57. #5 Samy, Canan hasn't existed for
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (05.28.11)
thousands of years, Palestine is a farily recent invention, no thanks to the Romans Arabs came from Arabia, as the name indicates Be a sport, give me some information about your lot living in the old days, in what you call Palestine Who ruled, what were your borders, where are there some afritfacts, what types of coins did you use ? I want proof, not mere verbiage One more minor matter, how come Palestine O Jerusalem aren't mentioned in the Koran if, as you claim, they're so holy to you ?
58. #26 Yaakov Sullivan
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (05.28.11)
After I reminded you, you added "Christian" to your pedigree Youshould recall that I suggested that if and when you ever make the Haj, as every True Muslim is obligated to do, that upon arrival you advise the authorities as to your sexual preferences, and be dealt with in accordance with Islamic custom, a barrage of rocks directed to your head, your Burkha won’t be of much help , try a helmet Your "Husband", as you call him, accompanies you, he too will be subject to a similar welcoming ceremony Instead of the multitude flinging rocks at the Kaba, the Kaba for the day will be a whack job that goes by the name of Yaakov Sullivan & his Husband One more small detail, when you brag about how good your marriage is, it just indicates that it’s probably in a lot of trouble, happy people are modest
59. #29 Stan
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (05.28.11)
Once a Muslim, always a Muslim, otherwise other Muslims are obligated to terminate him I believe that he's concealing and refusing to reveal his educational records because they indicate which clubs & societies he belonged to, which may reveal his true Muslim affiliations Valerie Jarret has most emphatically states that Obama will NEVER release his school records Don’t be so gullible, a Rose is a Rose, and Obama isn’t a rose by a long shot If you want a list of his broken promises and false claims, just ask, you’ll need plenty of time to read and digest it
60. barka #6
Abie Dee ,   New York, U.S   (05.28.11)
Ethnic cleansing ? we all know you have zero proof because that's not what happened. The Arabs refused to accept the partition of the Palestinian Mandate and 5 Arab armies invaded the new state of Israel. As a result of that stupid mistake, Arabs fled and created the refugee problem...NOT Israel, the Arabs created that problem. But fools like you never let facts get in the way of their hateful agenda.
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