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Jews, Muslims against circumcision ban
Associated Press
Published: 24.06.11, 07:52
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1. American circumcision rate
gp   (06.24.11)
although 80% of American men are circumcised the rate has dropped --today only 50% of babies in US are being circumcised. In other english speaking countries which had 90% rates in the 1950s the rate has dropped to near 0% since doctors stopped recommending the procedure in the second half of the 20th century. Since this drop has not been followed by health problems it is likely that the rate among non Jews and Muslims in the USA will also drop to near 0%. Since there are so few Jews/Muslims in the states it seems best not to try and ban it. Doing so creates the misleading impression that the proposed ban is an attack on Jews and Muslims. This leads to an emotional reaction which is not helpful for any sort of sane debate about the issue.
2. ban circumcision
Ramon   (06.24.11)
instead of banning it they should stop encouraging it- the Jews and Muslims could still do it, although personally I consider it mutilation. Up until now some doctors have practically brainwashed parents into letting their boys be circumcised even if they were not Jewish- this is where I would draw the line. On the other hand: why not do it at 15? Then the boy can decide if he wants to go through this painful ritual- to do it on a tiny baby is cruel- and only morons would insist that it does not hurt.
3. Evangelicals joining in different approach
observer ,   Egypt   (06.24.11)
circumcision is not better, is not worse for health. It's religious obligation no more, no less. they want it worse for Jews & Muslims, better for Evangelicals.
4. So, who're you going to listen to, G-d or gay men ?
Bad assed Jew. ,   United States   (06.24.11)
This attack on circumcision is a thinly disguised attack on religious instructions, no more, no less. Why do uneducated non medical non professionals think they can dictate religious and health practices to all ? Studies in Africa show men with circumcisions have fewer cases of aids. Do they know that, do they care that it conflicts with their mindless dictates? I knew there'd be a law suit (s) over this ignorant challenge to a practice thousands of years old. To put it simply, " if it aint broke, don't fix it ". Uncircumcised males are disgusting, unclean, repulsive and, they cover a multitude of sins. ( a planned pun )
5. # 1 and # 2 We, as Jews are instructed to have all males
Bad assed Jew. ,   United States   (06.24.11)
circumcised. ( Muslims as well ) You should pardon me but, keep your primitive non medical, non religious, anti Jewish and anti Muslim opinions to yourselves. Non circumcised males are, 1- unclean 2- carry more disease rates than the circumcised males 3- repulsive to females. For either a Jew or a Muslim, this in an attack on our faiths and our beliefs. Sees many Christians too prefer the cleanliness and good medical and good religious practices to have circumcision. Neither of you is a medical professional, or a religious expert. Neither am I, so, our opinions are worth what you paid for, nothing. Dr's on the other hand, and other experts opinions are more valid. Aids wasn't a problem way back then..
6. Circumcison at 15?
Bad assed Jew. ,   United States   (06.24.11)
it hurts as much or more at 15 years of age than 8 days. It wasn't meant to 'feel good'.
7. #1 In my house, we'll obey G-d and ignore you.
Bad assed Jew. ,   United States   (06.24.11)
you're very ignorable.
8. The circumcision ban would be an illegal law in California
Rivkah   (06.24.11)
since there are already laws on the books that forbid passing laws to ban medical procedures, The Fresno Bee reports. The San Francisco law if passed cannot be enforced since State law forbids such laws.
9. @ Ramon
Michael Davison ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (06.24.11)
"Why not do it at 15?" For the simple reason that circumcision at puberty or later becomes a far more complicated procedure. At that age, boys already have erections that tear out stitches, re-open the cut and cause great pain and high risk of infection. A person circumcised in infancy certainly doesn't remember anything about his own circumcision, whereas a person circumcised as a teenager or adult certainly does. I agree that a doctor shouldn't "sell" circumcision to undecided parents, but if asked, the same doctor is required to give the best and fullest information at his disposal as to the benefits and disadvantages of the procedure. It's called "informed consent" and is a legal requirement in the US and many other countries. You may consider circumcision "genital mutilation", but have you asked women what they think of it? Studies have shown that an overwhelming percentage of women prefer to have sex with a circumcised man for esthetic reasons. In many studies, large numbers of women claim they would refuse to have sex with an uncircumcised man. Read some of the studies and decide for yourself.
10. ban brit mila and kashrut
daniel mostrel ,   paris france   (06.24.11)
thee two bans will ensure that jews cannot live in this country and will have to flee to ...Israel ; yes it is a good thing
11. #2 You and all those idiots banning circumcision
(06.24.11)
have more mercy than G-d, the All Merciful One. Weirdos!
12. i doubt they will print this but as a female
(06.24.11)
i would look at let alone touch a man who was not circ. end of story
13. #5 and #7
gp   (06.25.11)
I was saying a ban on circumcision was unnecessary and counter-productive because Jews and Muslims would react badly and the rest of the population were giving up the practice anyway of their own accord without any need for a ban You sound like you want to make circumcision compulsory for everyone including non Jews! Good luck with that...LOL
14. speaking as a woman
sally   (06.25.11)
I think this is a mens issue which has nothing to do with us. I would be angry if men spoke up for female circumcision on the grounds that it a uncircumcised woman looks disgusting.
15. #4 Their Jew-hatred isn't even "thinly disguised"
Sue ,   Los Angeles   (06.25.11)
They distributed a comic book (you can see it on the Internet) called "Foreskin Man" featuring a blond Aryan superhero who "rescues" a Jewish baby from "Monster Mohel." The book leaves no doubt that their leader, Matthew Hess (relation to Rudolf?) is an anti-Semite.
16. #15 Sue
David   (06.25.11)
more likely the comic was designed to create a sensation for publicity purposes. Genuine antisemites would hide their motivation. Hess is a circumcised man who feels angry about what was done to him. He's on a mission to save others from the same fate.
17. circumcision ban
debbie ,   israel   (06.25.11)
It just figures; all these crazy ideas always sprout up in California. Don't those folks have anything better to do with their time?
18. circumcision ban
debbie ,   israel   (06.25.11)
Just my humble personal opinion: An uncircumcised man looks disgusting. Not that I have all that much experience, but seriously, it does look disgusting, and I'm sure it's much less clean and hygienic.
19. circumcision ban
debbie ,   israel   (06.25.11)
I do not live in the U.S. but did see a news report about this comic book. I found it disgusting, offensive, insulting, and anti semitic. There is no doubt in my mind after seeing the images in the comic book that this whole circumcision ban campaign is a sole attempt to discredit, slur and alienate the Jewish people. My personal opinion: the uncircumcised p. is disgusting, unclean, and unasthetic. I would never ever be with an uncircumcized man, nor would any other woman I know.
20. Circumcision
Kara Tyson ,   Mobile, AL   (06.25.11)
CA has a reputation for being "tolerant," but it is one of the least. My brother lives outside of Santa Cruz., an area where people have to go out in the middle of the night to trim their rose bushes. In the US, circumcision is a cleanliness issue. (Most Americans take 2+ baths/ showers a day). I live on the Gulf Coast, an area originally settled by the French and Spanish. Circumcision is widely practiced where I live and not because of a large Jewish population. In fact, most people are Catholic.
21. Ban Circumcision?
Juan Herrera ,   USA   (06.28.11)
How many more of G-ds laws will they make illegal? They approve of sodomy and now disapprove of circumcision? Small wonder they call California "the land of the fruits and nuts".
22. god aint real
fred ,   chicago   (07.01.11)
God is a made up fairy tale, don't know why anyone wants to hold on to bronze age idiocy.
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