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Lior: Rabbis must be able to speak freely
Yair Altman
Published: 04.07.11, 20:17
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1. taliban
shmuel ,   au   (07.04.11)
the Taliban have moved to Israel. Lior the Taliban
2. SINCE WHEN IS ADVOCATING THE KILLING OF NON-JEWS HALACHIC?
stude ham   (07.04.11)
how the extremists have perverted judaism.
3. Thousands of hipocrits...
LebanonPride ,   Canada   (07.04.11)
All these protesters should be condemn like Hamas is for their charter. These Rabbi's are terrorists for the same reason Hamas or Iran are considered terrorists.
4. So, you should kill yourself instead of the enemy?
Robert ,   NY USA   (07.04.11)
What is all the athiest talk about collateral damage, then? Or just killing for fun. Who you trying to fool? Judaism, when not under threat, is for helping and saving others. It's isn't extremism to kill others just so you can dominate. All the rest of you are for killing 'non-like you' for any reason, no reason, or just for fun. You don't fool so many any more with your propaganda.
5. DISGUSTING!
nana ,   Tel Aviv   (07.04.11)
You disgusting Ultra Orthodox,Right wing so called 'holy men' are no better then hamas or any other despot out there in the world twisting religion to further your hatred,racism and violence against others. You are what is wrong with the world,you are religious extremists,you are sick and deserve to be arrested! You are the reason more and more people are turning their backs on religion.Stop hiding behind religion to further your hatred.. I will never never understand your way of thinking..you are the reason the world has so much hatred towards Israel and The Jews as a whole!!!
6. Stupid, stupid, stupid...
Sarah B. ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.04.11)
Rabbis must understand that their lazy a$$es must be under, not over the law.... As a proud attorney with more than 50 years of experience working for a prestigious firm in New York, I say that freedom of speech has its limits. One cannot yell "FIRE' in a crowded theater...
7. #3
Aicha ,   Quebec, Canada   (07.04.11)
You really don't know what you're talking about comparing these Honorable Rabbis to hamas and Iran. Maybe your should investigate how many innocent people hamas and Iran killed in their thirst for blood and fight. These Honorable Rabbis are sharing their knowledge or Torah which is light . You really are a fool..
8. #5
Aicha ,   Quebec, Canada   (07.04.11)
In 1939 Israel didn't exist, still, the whole word hated the Jews. I think it's a big privilege to be an observant Jew.
9. Supreme Court of Injustice should detain G-d for such laws
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10. Rabbis may not speak freely.
(07.04.11)
Free speech is not meant for Rabbis or for that matter religious Jews in general. It's only for professors. This is Communist Israel after all.
11. dont arrest the rabbis!!!!
Ester   (07.04.11)
12. rabbis arrested
yankel ,   kfar zaba israel   (07.04.11)
reply to no 5 you apparently are all confused because you cannot understand the positives of the jewish religion & probably no nothing about it does not give you the right to criticise it
13. Rabbis should shut their mouths
Haim ,   Tel aviv   (07.04.11)
Whose next on their hit list? This has nothing to do with religious freedom or freedom of speach. Incitment to violence and murder is an offense. Their behvior leads to antisemitism. They should learn to keep their vile mouths shut or face prosecution. Israel is not a state run according to Jewish law and for the sake of freedom and democracy it never will be. They will not impose religious law on non belivers, the "thought police"can go to hell
14. Rabbis must speak responsibly'
Eric ,   Tel Aviv & NY   (07.04.11)
Rabbis must speak responsibly' otherwise we get people shooting Prime Ministers or other crazy things. But they are right Lectures and Professors also must speak responsibly'
15. The fact of the matter is...
Jed ,   Egypt   (07.04.11)
There should be no difference in any act of engagement or conduct between one another when it comes to Zion. Zion is the name that's been given an interpretted meaning that has come to be looked at with spite. And that is an abomination. For every inch of land that's confiscated, for every demolished home, for every olive tree cut down, for every report of human rights and prisoner abuse and for every death of a Palestinian, the image of Zion is desecrated more and more. Zion needs some very serious "damage control". The day when rabbi's and the good and decent people rise for true Zion will be a glorious day. The rabbi's have yet to discuss some issues openly. And it may have to do with practices, of the East or of the West, that are not representative of Mosaic Law.
16. Our religion is not of hate, we only generate hate
Sid   (07.04.11)
The role of superfluous rabbis is to shut -up and let real jews live their lives as they see fit. You and your gang distort the the torah every Monday and Tuesday...The world at large hate Jews because of you, your worthlessness, your hypocrisy, and like the taliban, forcing your religion on Israel as well as others
17. Oh yeah? Then don't complain when Islamofascist imams...
Michael Steiner ,   Bahrain   (07.04.11)
...call for the slaughter of Jews. These Jewish Taliban are a far greater danger to the survival of Israel as the homeland of Jews than Arabs ever were, will be or could be. If anything, they've been treated far too leniently up to now.
18. Modern Israel or Ancient Poland?
Arik Silverman ,   Milwaukee USA   (07.04.11)
In Poland, before the 18th Century Partitions, rabbis ruled supremely in their towns, and were allowed absolute freedom to rule as long as the taxes were collected and there was no rebellion against the Polish crown. This pattern often applied also in Muslim countries. It seems the rabbis just can't come to terms with the modern world (we see these ativistic attitudes also in the US, for example "settlements" in New York).
19. #2 and #13
Matityahu ,   Jeursalem, Israel   (07.04.11)
With all due respect, Yediot Ahronot is not an accurate source of what is or is not written in a book that the reporter obviously never read and is misquoting. without getting into whether or not "The King's Torah" is good or poor Torah scholarship, it dealt with the issue of what is called by the world's military as "collateral damage" or killing of presumed innocent civilians during wartime battles. According to the book's authors, they maintain that faced with the choice of one's own IDF soldiers being killed or killing presumed innocent civilians being used as shields etc. by the terrorist enemy (e.g. Gaza in Cast Lead etc.), one kills the terrorist enemy even if while doing so one kills innocent civilians ("the goyim"), if it saves your own soldiers ("the Jews"). This conclusion is quite like that of Prof. Asa Kasher, author of the IDF's Code of Ethics, as expressed in a recent interview with the editor of The Jerusalem Post. No one suggests Prof. Kasher is inciting when he maintains that our own troops come before others - including innocent civilians being used by the terrorists as shields. I can only wonder if the authors of the book in question have a deal going with the State Prosecutors Office to promote what would otherwise be an esoteric book read by a mere handful of people.
20. 16/17
Aicha ,   Quebec, Canada   (07.04.11)
16/17 It's only cowards like you who bring hate to the Jewish People. Remember, Hithler didn't make the difference between Secular enlightened Jews ..... and Religious Jews ! Aicha
21. #6
pius ,   pol   (07.04.11)
50 years experience. ......
22. #2, #13 answer this
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (07.04.11)
What do you prefer, your son, an IDF soldier, dead or 5 Arab civilians who are shielding a Hamas fighter dead? The 4th Geneva Convention, Nobel Prize Winner Obama and Torat Hamelech all say kill the civilians and keep the soldier alive.
23. Reporter/Journo Yair Altman
Gábor Fränkl   (07.05.11)
while doubtless a leftist, biased so called journalist, this time by quoting Rabbi Druckman presumably completely, letting through the most devastating, but juiciest part and justified criticism of the system and the extremist "academics", did his job acceptably, in fact relatively good. For once.
24. #22
Gregg ,   Haifa, IL   (07.05.11)
The War rule is the same everywhere : better a soldier dead (jewish or not.. who cares? he's still a soldier) and DO NOT kill any civilians. So the answer to your question is better a Jewish soldier dead than 5 Arabs civilians (whatever their political opinions are) And by the way - the opposite is true as well: better an Arab soldier dead than 5 Israeli civilians (whatever their political opinions are)
25. Israel Hates Jews
Creoleguy32 ,   los angeles   (07.05.11)
So let me get this straight. A rabbi is arrested for a thought while Arabs that kill jews get Master Degrees in prison, get to build homes in Gaza with Saudi Money and get an Israeli government that bows down to them and kisses their butts? Why not call Israel-Egypt Minor and do away with the supposedly Jewish State all together?
26. Let them speak freely from Jail
Haim ,   Tel aviv   (07.05.11)
Im sure all the other inmates could do with some entertainment.
27. Have you read the book?
Dvora ,   Berlin, Germany   (07.05.11)
28. russia speak freely?
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29. Free Speech
Norman Gellman ,   Rehovot   (07.05.11)
Rabbis just like everyone else in Israel have the right of free speech and just like everyone else have the same limitations to free speech. Rabbis have more influence than any simple citizen and therefore must be careful in what they say. The King’s Torah is supposed to be the Halacha of war. If this is true the rabbis should have made it clear. If their intention is to say we are in a perpetual state of war so the Halacha applies now they are misguided. These rules should apply, if indeed they are Halachic, to hot battle conditions only.
30. Re: Gregg
FG   (07.05.11)
Gregg, anarchist homosexuals, on top of that aggressively anti-Israeli nonchalantly "neutral-towards-Jewish-lifes" ones at that, have less rights in a Jewish state than those with the exact opposite of these special characteristics. That's it baby.
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