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Say ‘yes’ to patriotic law
Yoaz Hendel
Published: 10.07.11, 10:55
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1. Might want to start with the charideem
Haim ,   Tel aviv   (07.10.11)
Receive benefits from the state yet at the same time oppose the state ( dont serve in the IDF, dont work, dont pay taxes) . Umm sounds familiar
2. Bravo
Johan van den Top ,   The Netherlands   (07.10.11)
Excellent article, couldn't agree more! I could only wish in Europe we where that wise. Friendly greetings from the Netherlands
3. Contradiction...
Eli Wapniarski ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (07.10.11)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4093150,00.html paragraph 5 contradicts this editorial. The mentioned article clearly states that the bill will make it an offence subject to financial reparations. This in effect criminalizes a political action and this is anti-democratic. Further such a bill is frivolous and completely unenforceable, because there is no way to distinguish between a financial decision and a political action that determines to sever relations between individual or organizations.
4. For a start, if Israel were truly a democracy
Shalom   (07.10.11)
there would be no need to convince the public again and again on a daily basis in almost every article about it. Even the Left feel the duplicity and phoniness of their "democratic" fantasies. Israel was never a democracy and still isn't. At the rate it's going, it ain't gonna be ever. Think of the "democratic" court with their self-elected Mafia judges who have been electing their own cronies since the creation of the State to run the State just because they are more powerful than you. Apparently it seems that most Israelis are fed up with these self-elected officials putting their dirty nose into everything and ruining the country. It's time to overthrow the Court system and reestablish a TRULY DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED SUPREME COURT. Perhaps then some Democracy will disseminate. Then you have officials running a prime minister who were indeed elected democratically only to make a u-turn into the opposite direction of the voters. What a democracy Israel has to boast of.
5. What are the facts?
Moshe ,   Israel   (07.10.11)
According to another article on this site, the bill will actually punish those resort to boycotts which this writer admits are legitimate. It will do much more than merely not fund organizations with taxpayers' money label such acts "a civil offense and its initiators will be subject to litigation." So what is it? If it is a legitimate act, why would it be deemed a civil offense and subject the participants to litigation? Sounds pretty oppressive and illegal to me.
6. patriotism
fred lazin ,   ny ny   (07.10.11)
what is patriotic about supporting a policy that violates international law and which harms the State of Israel. That policy iis the one the supports the building of settlements in Judea and Samaria. Why deny citizens of Israel the right to protest the policies of their governments. A most undemocratic law. fred lazin
7. Patriotism.
Ehud ,   Jerusalem,Israel   (07.10.11)
As defined long ago by Oscar Wilde...............is the last refuge of all scoundrels. The definition still fits neatly I think,
8. Diaspora Funding outside the green line
Diaspora zionist   (07.10.11)
There are many diaspora groups and individuals, including some of Americas largest federations, that publicly limit there Israeli philanthropy to causes within the green line. Would they and their israeli representatives now be in violation of Israeli law?
9. Could it be...
Paul ,   Israel   (07.10.11)
that the settlements in the West Bank are feeling the economic pinch of these boycotts, so they have reverted to imposing their will through political clout? Not very democratic in my eyes. Freedom of speech and protest is still a basic right in any democracy - and that includes boycotts. For years I have refrained from buying products produced in the West Bank ( as I do Turkish products). So now they'll force me to but Efrat wine for Kiddush? Ridiculous. This is just what I would expect from a right wing government, drunk on its Knesset majority. And Demolition Man Barak toes the line ( disgusting). We'd better be careful, or else Nuremburg 2, here we come.
10. To Ehud, #7, it wasn't Oscar Wilde
(07.10.11)
it was Samuel Johnson, but never mind. Patriotism is no longer the last refuge of the scoundrel, but democracy is, when it is taken to mean that people can do anything they like regardless of the consequences. Israel actually is a democracy, it's just not a democracy in which the majority rules, the way it does (usually) in the United States (unless your brother is the governor of Florida and fixes the election). Syria has a president, does that make Syria a democracy? Would you rather live there? Or Iran, with an elected president, think that's any better? How about the Gaza Strip, with its democratically elected government. Would you like to live there? Let me say this loud and clear: justifiable criticism is one thing, treason is another.
11. Say "Yes", "Yes", "Yes", "Yes" and "Yes" to the bill.
Chaim ,   Israel   (07.10.11)
This bill is an excellent step in the right direction. It is lunatic to allow anyone to enjoy the benefits of Israeli citizenship while fostering loathsome, racist boycotts against any part of Israel. Say "Yes", "Yes", "Yes", "Yes" and "Yes" to this bill.
12. YES to the bill
Joshua ,   USA   (07.10.11)
Excellent article and excellent idea. It is long overdue that the Israeli democracy will use al democratic means available to counter traitors who try to destroy it. That is the beauty of the Democratic System!
13. The diaspora is watching
Canadian Dude ,   Canada   (07.10.11)
If you try to stifle political dissent in Israel, you will only increase it amongst Israel's remaining supporters abroad. Your diplomatic, economic and military security has been carried on the backs of these foreign supporters from the very first minute of modern Israel's foundation, and without their support, which you are rapidly losing, your nation is doomed to stagnation and eventual destruction. Oh well, your choice I guess. We can't stop you from jumping off the cliff, but don't expect us to follow.
14. Anon @#10
Ehud ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.10.11)
Thanks,acknowledge the correction re name of author of quotation.
15. the strength of my life
cristian ,   good airs arg   (07.10.11)
now that the wolves start shed clothing there will be less confusion not much carousing he you are the strength of my life of whom I and I must be afraid purify my soul quench our thirts with water of he well he gave water that was not into the bottom of the well he you are the strength of my life of whom I and I must be afraid my cup is filled got to overflow and where he send I and I got to go in the bosom of the beast or even the baily of the whale
16. Re: Chaim #11
Canadian Dude ,   Canada   (07.10.11)
Right, you deem it racist to boycott any part of Israel. Does that include all the areas inhabited mostly by Arabs? Come on, let's see you surprise everyone for a change.
17. Do I understand this article?
exUK ,   Tel Aviv   (07.10.11)
Am I to understand that anyone in Israel,who does not support or agree with settlements on the West Bank,is about to be called to account? I have been here for 3 years,and a citizen for 2 years.Is anyone who does not agree with anything here about to be castigated? No free speech? I am secular,and so do not recognise G-d given rights to dwellings over the line.This goes for many others I know. I only want peace here,but I feel that might is not always right. I dont care what name you wish to label non Jews there.We must find some way to deal with the problem of the occupation. They and we were not able to choose our grandparents or where they were born.The Arabs over the line find themselves in a situation not of their design.Pointing this out is not traitor-like ,it is simply an attempt to try to understand the other person's point of view., Both sides in the 'problem' need to make painful compromises whilst there is still time.
18. I already boycott
Gregg ,   Haifa, IL   (07.10.11)
I already actively boycott everything that comes from the illegal settlements of Israel in the WB Who's gonna really force me not to ?? stupid law made for and by stupid people...
19. #4 Shalom - I challenge you
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (07.10.11)
To name any Democracy that Israel should use as an example Next point, the United States Elects some judges, many others are political appointees Officials, can be self-appointed or put into office by their cronies, election is by vote Obama's White House is full of unelected Czars, all the while the USA still remains a Republic The U.S. Supreme Court IS NOT ELECTED, they're all, each and every one of them, APPOINTEES, by the President who is the White House at the time the space has to be filled It would help immensely if you actually knew what you were talking about
20. I have nothing to say.
Ypip ,   Canada   (07.11.11)
21. #17: You are a drunk to say the least
Israeli 2   (07.11.11)
ONLY because of floozies like you, I pray that the Haredi population will become the biggest majority soon.
22. #16: Chaim is 100% right.
Israeli 2   (07.11.11)
The Arabs you refer to are living due to Israel's grace. Anyone objecting to the greater Israel may leave israel at once.
23. Israel about to score yet another own goa!
Dovid ,   Los Angeles   (07.11.11)
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLL!
24. #4 US Supreme Cout justices are NOT
John ,   USA   (07.11.11)
elected. They are nominated by US president and approved [or not[ by the US Senate to become a US Supreme Court Justice for life. Governors of many US individual states nominate the state highest state court judges, which are then approved [or not] by the state legislative body. These state judges may later , if for a specific term, be voted by citizens for another term.
25. #17
tejas ,   India   (07.11.11)
When boycotters say settlement, it includes Tel Aviv too, you moron.
26. #22, Israeli
Eli ,   Eilat ,Israel   (07.11.11)
LOL, like you decide anything. At least express yourself in a civilised manner
27. the bill is good -- read it
meira ,   TA   (07.11.11)
The proposed bill does NOT prevent anyone from being a racist, anti-Jewish, or anti-settlements. It only says that such people have no right to ask for direct or indirect state (public) funding. What's the problem?
28. Editos?....
Tahl   (07.11.11)
Where is my comment from last night?? I was replying to #9, #13, #17 and #18. Efo ha tguva sheli???
29. no 13
gdfathermax ,   tel aviv israel   (07.11.11)
i came to israel 4 yrs ago from the diaspora and can tell you that your post is complete rubbish. israel has every right to prosecute anyone or any organisation that attempts to boycott us. the diaspora is either moving to israel or gradually destorying itself with increasing leftwing vitriol.
30. The right wants to shut what little democracy we have down
Ethan Schwartz ,   Eilat   (07.11.11)
First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me
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