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How not to have a Palestinian state
Jose Maria Aznar
Published: 16.07.11, 16:33
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31. Gaza
Dennis Hibbard ,   Whittier USA   (07.17.11)
Must be Quicksand, oops I was going to suggest some orher ME Country,you'd be jumping from the Frying Pan into the Fire ! better stay where you are! and be Nice!
32. Mr. Aznar is our friend
Reuven   (07.17.11)
And he's 100% right.
33. I don't know what else..
Steve ,   USA   (07.17.11)
..to add to these talk backs as you all have expressed yourselves quite well. Was this guy like this when he was The Prime Minister of Spain? I don't recall hearing to much from that part of Europe that was that 'pro- Israel'. If the rest of the civilized world would think like this guy and have the guts to argue these points in public (like the UN for instance) we'd be in much better shape and most of us would be able to breath again.
34. #24 graczek
Devorah   (07.17.11)
Thank you for reminding us that the catholic church is antisemitic.
35. Bravo.
Five ,   Canada   (07.17.11)
This man gets it. The campagn against Israel will eventually back fire and burn those that propogate the lies that people like this gentlemen are exposing. Nice to hear the truth for a change, more to come. F$$ck all the lying, self serving, bastards who can't let the jewish people live in peace.
36. Aznar you can't be so stupid
Truthseeker ,   USA   (07.17.11)
You must know that Israel, in spite of saying that they want a two state solution, really has no interest in there ever being a viable and contiguous Palestinian state. Were this otherwise Israel would not have been building settlements, all illegal under international law, and bi pass roads. Israel and Aznar call for "negotiations" but how does one party negotiate while the other party takes the land over which the parties are "negotiating." Furthermore Israel has demanded that the Palestinians bring no pre-conditions to the table while at the same time they impose their own pre-conditions: no division of Jerusalem, Israel retains all large illegal settlement blocs, Israel keeps an indefinite IDF occupation of the Jordan Valley, no return of Palestinian refugees, the Palestinian state must be de-militaryized (all the better to attack it without fear of reprisal. As I said before, Aznar, you can't be so stupid and you probably aren't. You just been brainwashed.
37. #8 Nour he was a PM, who are you?
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (07.17.11)
Of course you never heard of him, among your many afflictions you're also blind to what goes on in Europe Now dear, since you saw fit to spout your usual nonses, how about spouting answers to some of the questions I directed to your attention ?
38. Have mercy on Nour in last hours
Ish Kabibble ,   Delancey   (07.17.11)
When she finally realizes that she won't get a state, she will feel that's she's obligated to commit Sepaku to atone for her shame
39. PA/Hamas State is the Result of Magical Thinking
Dallas ,   Canada   (07.17.11)
And the real world works on reality. Aznar is absolutely correct despite the irrational arguments of the anti-Israel crowd, who refuse to recognize such ugly realities as the PA/Hamas' mandate to eliminate Israel. As such, there is nothing to negotiate, and management of the status quo is the best that can happen.
40. One of the few smart European politicians out there.
Vlad   (07.17.11)
41. Nour take notes
galutia ,   Selah   (07.17.11)
Spain’s ex-PM says no peace possible when one side committed to other’s destruction - with the charters of Hamas Hezbulah And all factions of Fatah calling for removal of the whole nation of Israel ....the Spain’s ex-PM point is made.... if Hate is eliminated then yes it would be possible... ==== often wondered ...Islamic nations have 1000 times the land mass of Israel... it is very possible within those islamic nations to give each palistinian a small farm and those nations would benifit from thier productivity....without having to out Israel....just a thought...might even be a very peaceful region...how about it Nour
42. To the Arab racists, Nour and Akka's Daughter
JDL ,   USA/Canada   (07.17.11)
Here we go again with the right of return bullshiite. As soon as your people acknowledge and solve the more than 900,000 Jews thrown out of Arab lands with just the clothes on their backs, we can talk about your "right of return". Until that happens, there is nothing to discuss. As for those terrible Jews taking away those Palestinian villages, do we really need to go there? There were numerous massacres of Jews both before and after the state of Israel was founded. The most famous being the slaughter of Jews in Hebron in 1925. Man, you guys sure have a memory problem, don't you?
43. Beware of Aznar, Israel!
Jose R. Ayaso ,   Spain   (07.17.11)
With friends like this, it's better the absolute loneliness. Beware, oh Israel, of this kind of friendship!!
44. #13 These ARAB villagers bet on the wrong side
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (07.17.11)
If they'd stayed put they'd be there today. Too bad they listened to the 5 invading Arab armies who told them to vacate the area while ' we drive the Jews into the sea'. Didn't happen. Didn't happen in '56, '67, '73, '82, 2006, And guess what?...it ain't gonna happen.
45. #24 You're back to front as usual, graczekeleh
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (07.17.11)
Israeli technology and innovation is a big threat to the world going backwards. Agriculture, medicine. IT to name a fraction
46. #24 graczek, Read your Christian Bible
Phil ,   Ireland   (07.17.11)
In there you will find it is written by Jews from Genesis to Revelation. Jesus was Jewish and celebrated the feasts, eg Passover, Hannukah etc. The names of the twelve tribes of Israel are written on the gates of the new Jerusalem, and Paul says in Romans "all Israel will be saved" and "What advantage then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? Much in every way!" Who is betraying their Church? You are!
47. NOUR
stanly ,   harstad, norway   (07.17.11)
@NOUR- you are either a provocateur or psycho. After all the crimes in the past decades so called "palestinias" have done not only in Israel, but in Europe as well, and Arafat got a Nobel price for that, to whom are you telling your imbecile lies? We have a long memory. Look what Jews have done in less than a century from the uncivilized desert without water or any infrastructure ! What YOU have done? Israel was, is and always will be their land, never yours. You so called "palestinians" are the trash of the Arab people, and all of you know that. They hate you! They give you the money and support only because you are fighting Jews, not because they like you. Remember what have you done in Kuwait when Irak got in ? And how that finished when they got out? You are hated people from all, not wanted by anybody. You are the real scum of this earth. You are not a political problem, you are ecological problem!
48. Thank you Mr. Aznar
Reuveny ,   Jerusalem   (07.17.11)
Such a long and bloody conflict should be solved one day, I am afraid that we are still far away from this day. A two state solution can be real, just if the arabs accept the israeli state including her capital Jerusalem (undiveded), then people like me would accept palestinian state, which will include jews and arabs, as well and the same like Isarel today include 1 milion arabs in the Gallile, Negev and around Jerusalem.
49. yes
hayat ,   jerusalem   (07.17.11)
iam 60 years old i like the cartoon --tom and jerry --- this article is good for such cartoon film ,
50. PEACE TALK AND PALESTINIAN COUNTRY
DIDIER ,   HERZELYIA   (07.17.11)
very well said Mr Aznar as and citizen of israel and non jew i have to agree but there is also a hard right wing community in israel that doesn't want to here about the rigth of palestinian or arabs people should know that on both side there is a non respect of the rights but there still shoutign rockets to south of israel under the gourvenement of hamas coallition about 20 last week ..... just a deep hope of one day peace in the middle east
51. A see "a black September" coming for PA
Anna M Sedda ,   Rome-Italy   (07.17.11)
Say no to' a spoiled PA that thinks can tell Europe and Europens how to hate Israel...Hitler and Mussolini had the same strategy;they use propaganda.... Let s make this September the "Black September of PA"'in memory of the Israelie killed in Munich by abu mazen team,and all innocent killed in Rome...
52. #10 Nour - Erekat calls you a LIAR
CK Tan ,   Singapore, Singapore   (07.17.11)
So Nour whips the DEAD HORSE named "Palestine Papers" as PROOF that the palis were READY to make concessions. As the BBC reported, Erekat EMPHATICALLY states that the leaked documents were a BUNCH OF LIES. Know what "bunch of lies" MEAN, Nour? Also, feel free to provide PROOF of any senior pali OFFICIAL who, since the leak, as ADMITTED that the pali OFFERS are TRUE and SERIOUS. I am NOT holding my breath.
53. Jose Mari Aznar
Moragh   (07.17.11)
Absolutely brilliant write-up and nothing but the truth spoken. I don't suppose we can hope of your becoming Prime Minister of Israel ???
54. Re: #9 - Nour, One-State
Daniel ,   Tel Aviv   (07.17.11)
The moral of the story is: don't declare war and lose. Your people didn't want to accept 2 states throughout the course of history. Your people declared war on Israel and you lost. Now, you have to accept YOUR role in the tragedy that your people created for themselves.
55. # 53 Moragh
Debbie   (07.17.11)
A super great suggestion. Who knows the contact to Mr. Aznar.
56. Palestinains
FRED ,   USA   (07.17.11)
When the British created their Mandate during the 1920's, the Palestinians time and time again requested self rule when they were the majority of the population, 85%. The only reason Jews wanted their homeland is not because of religeous reasons is because jews could not dole out what christians did to them in Europe. Palestinains are paying for the sins of Chrisitan Europeans. Its so upside down to see these arrogent people think they are "" entitled" to the land when it was the indigeous Palestinains got screwed by a bunch of Europeans.
57. Sr. Jose Maria Aznar
shosh ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.17.11)
Respetado Sr. Aznar, Le felicito por su brillante articulo. Que D-s lo bendiga.
58. to nr. 36.
justice for all ,   world/planet earth   (07.18.11)
completely right! aznar has to mind his own spanish business with the dire situation there. bring your own house in order. he is also guilty of the bad situation in his own country. this lapdog of george bush jr. who is waiting for his "advice"? not me and perhaps other people also not.
59. All very true
Sammy ,   Newcastle   (07.18.11)
But just who amongst the Palestinian Leadership is in charge and able to make these deicisions? I fear that Abbas feels that he just hasnt the fortitude or determination or indeed the confidence to move forward - so that the easiest way out is not to do anything at all - and blame it all on Israel As for Hamas and Mashaal - we all know where their loyalties lie. With Gaza? No With Palestinians? No Its to enhance their grip on power, sell Gazas soul to Ahmadinejad just like South Lebanon and to amass vast wealth. So why change anything? So whats the answer? Talking to Palestinians from East Palestine I get the sense that THEIR PRIORITIES are the continued economic, political, social building of East Palestine, the development of infrastructre, industry, education, culture and sport, security, policing and law and order FIRST perhaps over a five year plan independent of Gaza. Plus the gearing up of closer cooperation with Jordan and Israel with a view to acheiving an Independent Palestinian State in East Palestine first - and the hope for East and West Palestine Unity later This idea of a UN Announcement of a Palestinian Statehood I fear could so easily backfire on Abbas - raising expectations to a point where this is seen by Palestinians as an empty gesture and a promise that just cant be fulfilled
60. To: No. 8
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.18.11)
He is the former prime minister of Spain. You don't seem to be aware of much.
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