wonder why?

to know that in a few years we will have a Halachic state, Boruch Hashem. Seculars can move to L.A. - there is a vibrant Israeli community there.

Which is interesting and a bit strange. Or is it? I am totally secular, but ultra-nationalist, but even more than anything anti-Left. Jerusalem then seems to be the perfect place in Israel...

I am not familiar with this term.

mossiach is coming, and at any time now

Is that all you are about? Being nasty? Shame on you!

I urge all of you to have a look at all the statistics for Jerusalem Even better come out here and take a walk.... remember that Sephardim are listed as traditional national religious Jews and yet they don't exactly fit the box that the TBers here would have them sit in.... so really, come here and have a look at the reality!

If the Haredim are leaving and being replaced with National Religious, then the Zionist and Nationalistic groups are benefiting. These groups tend to have jobs, pay taxes, serve in the Army, and obey the law. Will make for very quiet news in the city.

Cry me a river.... They are desperately trying to hang onto power and so they introduce all kinds of anti-Jewsih crap to waterdown the Jewish flavour of Israel. They play the game as if only they protect the country...BS ....go to any unit in the army and what you will see are national religious youth. The only enclaves they control are submarines and the Air Force and of course the state police (Black Shirts-Yassminim) who are used to beat up on Jews. I say good riddance to the uber anti-religious secular..they are an abomination. Israel will only survive if she is Jewish, proud and free.

And spend most of their lives partying and skirt chasing till dawn in Tel Aviv. Its time to get our priorities straight.

Who needs the seculars? Sure they founded the country, made in blossom, and defended it with their lives. Sure they run all of Israel's industries, science, and culture but we have learned from Jewish history, all we need to do is pray and everything will be fine, right? Oh wait, I forgot that the exact reason Israel needs to exist is that praying is equally as successful as staring at rocks in preventing tragedy. It's amazing how over and over again in Jewish history, we make the same mistakes (thinking that relying on god helps anything.)

We can learn to negociate, to be good friends.

Something is wrong with the numbers. Written above: "a 5% drop was recorded in the traditional-non-Jewish population (55,000)". If 5% is 55,000 then the total traditional non-Jewish population of Jerusalem is 1,100,000. Absurd! Othyer nuimbers also problematic!

david ben gurion had religious knowledge and jewish identity. the seculars of today have no jewish identity, no zionism and do not want to be in israel (of course, they are already there so most don't go through the effort of leaving). there are almost no zionists today who are not religious.

In quantity (yes, also ''the seculars'' = our fellow Jews!!) but mainly qualitively-wise! AM YISRAEL CHAI

Only control the submarines and the Air Force,small change.

Jews in foreign media with a Jewish heart. Alevai that Haim and Avi would be on the same level as Charles.

Whenever the media says anything about the rise of the religious populations, there's always someone like Gabriel from TA to say that they do nothing but pray for Israel's security. BS, Gabriel. Read the article today about the huge numbers of religious guys in IDF combat officers' training! They think Judaism says to pray for success of your military efforts. May their numbers grow indeed!

Of course the religious population is growing- for every religious nutcase there's his invisible friend. People need to get over their psychotic delusions and realise that fairy tales are for kids. I find it genuinely disturbing that there are people in charge of this country who believe in talking snakes and whales which can spew out live human beings.

It's why Europe is shrinking and Latin America is growing.

Go back to gan and learn your Zionist history. The "seculars" didn't build the country, they usurped it from the religious. All the "Myths & Facts" statistics "proving" Jewish resident numbers in pre-independence Israel are based on the exclusive religious population in the 4 holy cities; Jerusalem, Hebron, Tevaria and Tzefat. Your "chiloni" baloney is to use the religious when it's beneficial.

How long did it take to compose such an elegant sneer? I too find something genuinely disturbing:- that such cuteness is still voguish. Give it time, and the need to be nasty might fade. There is still hope for you Kalina.