Release of Palmer report postponed
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 24.07.11, 20:19
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1. Oh, please
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.24.11)
Israel and Turkey will not reach a compromise. Israel will not apologize to Turkey. Israel will not compensate the families of the dead terrorists. How hard is that to understand? Will Turkey be embarrassed once the Palmer Report is published? Oh, hell yeah. Isn't that just too damned bad for Turkey.
2. UN'S Agonizing turmiol
pasquinel ,   london.canada   (07.24.11)
There just has to be a way this is Israels fault,...just has to be....please bear with us..
3. Sarah how...
Eli ,   Israel   (07.24.11)
..embarrassed will you be when Israel does apologise?
4. Turks play a zero-sum game.
Stephen in New York   (07.24.11)
Turkish demands are crafted in a manner designed to guarantee rejection. The Turkish government seeks ongoing conflict.
5. Netanyahu should resign
Rachel ,   US   (07.24.11)
The fact that he is still groveling or considering groveling to Erdogan proves he does not have what it takes to lead Israel. What a disgrace.
6. Turkey should apology
Beary White ,   Norway   (07.24.11)
Turkey should apologize to Israel for sending the IHH terrorists into israeli waters, with the intention to be so-called "martyrs" by killing israeli soldiers. If mr Erdogan do the first excuse, then mr Bibi could say "agree"..
7. To apologise would be WRONG and it
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (07.24.11)
would be seen as a sign of weakness...ALL of Israels enemies would take comfort out of it... A personal apology sometimes can be a sign of strenght, but a political apology is always a DEFEAT...! IT WOULD MAKE THINGS ONLY WORSE !!!!!
8.  What about a mutual apology?
S ,   Germany   (07.24.11)
I absolutely don't understand why Israel doesn't demand an apology from turkey. It's obvious that the Turkish government did nothing to stop the "Gaza-flotilla" 2010 and supported the Turkish activists indirectly. As a friend and ally Turkey shouldn't have supported the enemies of Israel. And if Israel AND Turkey apologize maybe it will be easier for BOTH countries to reach an agreement.
9. government's consideration to aplogize to Turkey
ORLY ,   TEL AVIV, ISRAEL   (07.24.11)
I agree with Rachel. If Netanyahu is so undecisive and cannot think of the reputation and self esteem of Israel, he does not deserve to be our Prime Minister. To give in to the black mail and lies of the Turkish Prime Minister is shameful. Erdogan will only disdain us more. Anyway, he has proved that he could have stopped the Marmara flotilla. He should be the one to apologize for allowing terrorists board the ship.
10. Observations
M Carr ,   Baltimore USA   (07.24.11)
1. The civilized world is not interested in a watered-down version of the Palmer Report. If there were violations of international law, we want them revealed. 2. The UNHCR and other barbarians were quick to condemn Israel before any evidence was collected. What’s the problem now? 3. The UN appears to believe relations between Turkey and Israel will improve if an Israeli apology is offered. I believe the opposite is true. 4. The Marmara incident has separate legal, political, and diplomatic components. The UN is wrong in trying to combine them. 5. Turkey has chosen to ride the Islamic/Jihad train and the tracks lead to nowhere. 6. Turkey is like the prodigal son…I say let them go.
11. Israels fault????
Auke   (07.24.11)
İsraels fault?Really?Maybe I'm crazy, but how could't be İsraels fault, explain that to me, maybe I need a brain operation
12. Apology never!!!
Auke   (07.24.11)
13. An apology would delegitimize the blockade.
Yael Schlichting ,   Raubling - Germany   (07.25.11)
If Israel considers an apology, it better just terminates the blockade and offers help in delivering weapons shipments. Either the blockade is legal, then there cannot be an apology or Israel apologizes and accepts the Arab and left-wing view, that the blockade is illegal. All in all, they are playing chess and it's hard to know what to do. I have learned from the last few years, that only a few weeks later everything looked different. If Israel apologizes, no power on this planet will be able to undo this! If Israel plays an inner affair drama on it, time will go by and something else will happen, that will draw the attention away from it. I am wondering, if Erdogan really will travel to Gaza and shake hands with Ismail Haniyeh. I bet that one second later, Iran will make him want to kick himself for this. We'll see.
14. Will the report include autopsy results?
seadog1946 ,   Erie Basin, NYC   (07.25.11)
15. Talking about a watching videos about the IDF boys...
Persian CAT   (07.25.11)
being man-handled by a bunch of monsters armed with plastic chairs?!!! No way, Moshe. Seeing IDF boys begging for mercy is too humane for some in Israel. They can't stomach it.
16. Palmer not doing himself or New Zealand credit
Peter Morris ,   New Zealand   (07.25.11)
Since when does a jury or a judge get into horse trading with the guilty and the victims. A report is a report is a report and should be presented impartially, on time irrespective of any inducements. Clearly Palmer dosen't want to get the same unwarranted flack that Goldstone got which shows a weak kneed approach. Therefore the report cannot be taken seriously which is a pity as New Zealand in most aspects is fair minded.
17. #14 seadog
solomon ,   bklyn   (07.25.11)
Autopsy reports have already been published by Turkey, but it remains to be seen if they are true or not. What it did show was that Turks were shot at close range. Of course they were, as they had to be up close to the soldiers (those dangerous soldiers who came down the rope with paintball guns drawn!) when they ganged up on them with knives and spikes.
18. The UN is delegitimising its own report with this ludicrous
Harry Wright ,   UK   (07.25.11)
approach. I don't recall the Goldstone report being postponed to give Israel and Hamas weeks upon weeks to agree to make adjustments to the report. This is madness. In this case, any apology from Israel will, in effect, exonerate Turkey from wrongdoing and delegitimize Israel even more. What I would like to know is - does Israel think it was wrong to: (1) uphold its blockade, (2) to board the vessel, (3) to rescue and protect its beaten and injured soldiers by whatever means possible and under violent circumstances, (4) to complete the boarding exercise? Why must Israel save Erdogan's skin when he aided and abetted an illegal operation and now continues to defend his wrongdoing. Any apology will imply an admission of guilt - that Israel is sorry for its wrongdoing. On what will Netanyahu be basing a partial or full apology? On the fact that the IHH terrorists were fully armed and were attacking and severely injuring IDF soldiers and got themselves killed? Why must Israel make statements that lift Erdogan while throwing Israel in a bad light? Any admission of wrongdoing is pure madness.
19. Turkey refused to allow autopsies done for obvious reasons
Marco ,   Spain   (07.25.11)
20. In Non-Hasbara Publications, the Word is
Doug ,   Rochester, USA   (07.25.11)
1. It is Israel who is asking for the delay though the U.S. represenatives. (hmmmm. I thought Israel and the U.S. were against unilateral actions??? I guess that means they are against unilateral action by others, but not by Israel?) 2. The report says that the Israeli Commandoes boarded the ship with the intention to murder civilians.... a war crime!). If #2 is correct, no wonder Bibi is BEGGING for forgiveness from Turkey.
21. Meant to kill??
Les ,   Freud   (07.25.11)
Am I missing something? Reportedly, aside from side arms, the soldiers were equipped with paint guns. How lethal are these paint guns? Is there some information that the Palmer commission is privy to that we aren't? What the Natanyahu government need to realize is that what is bad for Israel is bad for the Jews of the diaspora. While Jews may not be a light unto the nations, the nations sure shine the light unto the Jews, and not in a good way!
22. This ridiculous BS still dragging along?
Cameron ,   USA   (07.25.11)
Talk about festering foolishness. You already gave the Turks all they honestly merited in the situation. Time for the Turks to move out of the sour old woman mode and come to terms with the reality they caught a sharp crack upside the head while trying to play a bad game. Don't indulge petty this farce any longer.
23. Its quite pathetic..
Tim ,   Brighton   (07.25.11)
Like two star crossed lovers trying to kiss and make up Will they? Wont they? Who apologies first? Do they apologise together? Whilst Turks and Israelis look on askance at the leadership and simply carry on together in life, business, sport and culture as well as they have always done - If ever life did not mirror politics - this is it
24. #20 Doug - LYING again as USUAL?
CK Tan ,   Singapore, Singapore   (07.25.11)
1. Show the ORIGINAL source for the "Non-Hasbara" news. 2. Reveal the link to the EXACT source of the REPORT that supports your CLAIM of "intention to MURDER civilians" (my EMPHASIS) by the IDF.
25. #15 cat
solomon ,   bklyn   (07.25.11)
The only plastic chairs are in your wild and wooly imagination. Some injured soldiers were taken below decks. The IHH thugs were able to do this as the soldiers were badly wounded by knives and sharpened metal rods. You don't get wounds from plastic chairs. Nor from the paintball guns that the Israeli soldiers "had cocked and ready."
26. IDF soldiers intent on killing
solomon ,   bklyn   (07.25.11)
Note that the ONLY source for this story is a TURKISH newspaper. Enough said.
27. To: No. 17
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.26.11)
Islam considers autopsies abhorrent. So you should probably take Turkey's published autopsy reports with a major dose of salt. But I do have a question. When the Navy Seals came after Bin Laden (may his name be cursed throughout eternity), they shot a totally innocent woman who was shoved at them. Did she deserve to die? Where's your outrage, oh hypocritical one?
28. To: No. 20
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.26.11)
1. Terrorists are not "civilians." 2. The MAVI MARMARA, supposedly bringing "humanitarian aid" to Gaza, was found to be carrying a couple of boxes of expired over-the-counter medications and a box of mouldy blankets. 3. Had Israeli commandos boarded the ship with the intent to murder, they would not have used paintball guns. It was the IHH terrorists that started to club the Israeli soldiers -- who were enforcing Israel's fully legal and internationally recognized blockade of the Gaza Strip. It is an absolute principle of international maritime law and convention that deadly force may be used to protect the integrity of a fully legal and internationally recognized blockade. 4. It is Turkey that has been delaying the publication of the Palmer Report. Israel is criticized for using excessive force (a debatable point), but Turkey is raked over the coals for encouraging and abetting the intent of the IHH -- a terrorist organization -- to breach Israel's fully legal blockade. 5. There will be no apology; there will be no compensation for the families of the dead terrorists. Would the United States compensate the family members of Osama bin Laden (may his name be cursed throughout eternity)? Of course not! Israel will not compensate the family members of the IHH terrorists, either. 6. Whatever makes you think that either the United States or Israel are against unilateral actions? Exactly what would you call Israel's destruction of the Iraqi nuclear reactor, Israel's destruction of the budding Syrian reactor, or the United States' invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan? Or, for that matter, the United States' invasion of Grenada and Panama. And the ill-fated U.S. intervention in Somalia? Are you truly as ignorant as your post suggests?
29. #2
marc   (07.26.11)
In postponing release of the report the UN is bowing to pressure from USA, and the two parties concerned: Turkey and Israel. Palmer's original brief was to facilitate the repair of the Israel-Turkey relationship. Postponing release of the report at the request of the parties involved has to be seen in that light. Before passing comment its a good idea to aquaint yourself with the basic facts of the story. If you dont you simply spread confusion ungrounded fears and prejudice.
30. #29 marc re: #2
solomon ,   bklyn   (07.27.11)
#2 is merely noting the existing prejudice in the UN against Israel, and in a wry, tongue-in-cheek manner. He is not spreading "confusion ungrounded fears and prejudice". I respectfully suggest you lighten up a bit.
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