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Abusive cult discovered in Jerusalem
Yair Altman
Published: 02.08.11, 14:56
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1. abuse of this nature must never be tolerated
Galutia ,   Selah   (08.02.11)
PERIOD !
2. Abusive Cult
Spencer ,   Israel   (08.02.11)
If the three leaders are found guilty, they need to be made an example of and sent to prison for many years with NO remission of the sentence for "good behaviour". People guilty of what they have been charged with are vermin and the public needs to be protected from these low lifes.
3. Can someone please
C.C. ,   Yehuda & Shomron   (08.02.11)
help me find the article from several years ago of the Beit Shemesh couple who were dressed like haredim with the man being a "scribe" and were found to be missionaries? It probably wouldn't be in ynet. They wouldn't report such news.
4. Cult in Jerusalem
Ros ,   Tel Aviv   (08.02.11)
They should be sent to jail until the end of their days and be subjected to the abuse they handed out!!!!!
5. Who do you report abuse to the rabbi or the police?
haim ,   TA   (08.02.11)
The "deputy" joined the cult several years ago, after he and his wife sought marital advice from the prime suspect. i am sorry am i mising something here, are people that dumb that they have to ask a so called Rabbi if they can fart or not ? Have they lost the basic human abiltiy to differate betwen right and wrong ? This is what you get with all this mumbo jumbo religious brain washing.
6. This is a similar version to the Tel-Aviv based cult
C.C. ,   Yehuda & Shomr   (08.02.11)
of the man living with 32 wives and fathering 89 children. But that's a secular or non-Jewish guy, so that's not a problem.
7. I wanna know
Tsvia ,   Ashdod   (08.02.11)
how these guys have money for such expensive attorneys!
8. The haredi community must be vigilant
Babishka ,   USA/Mea Shearim   (08.02.11)
This cult seems similar to the "Taliban ladies" of Beit Shemesh. In both cases these groups were outcasts from the mainsteam Haredi community, who shunned them rather than educating them in what is proper halachic conduct.
9. Haim Tel Aviv
David ,   Haifa, Israel   (08.02.11)
still spelling your name wrong Abdul? join the army and stop being an idiot
10. It's those "holy" men again...
Glatze   (08.02.11)
11. Abuse must not be tolerated ANYPLACE
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (08.02.11)
Throw the leaders in jail, keep them there FOREVER Anyone that sympathises with them should feel free to accompany them
12. #5 Haim - we know you're not religous
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (08.02.11)
Who brainwashed you ?
13. I am sure this is because of inter ..
DT ,   TA Israel   (08.02.11)
breeding. That should be made a serious crime
14. Again, another orthodox cult
Naomi   (08.02.11)
The problem with such an closed-up community.
15. Cult leader
yoel ,   Israel   (08.02.11)
If he is guilty - hang him, high in the public square, as a warning to others
16. More abused kids slip through the net
Talula ,   Israel   (08.02.11)
Why wasn't/isn't the alarm raised when children are taken to hospitals with horrific injuries. I hate reading this shit, it makes my blood boil to think that children and women have been treated so horrifically. Get the bastards, string them up by their testicles and let them die in pain.
17. medical documents from various clinics and hospitals...
Orly ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.02.11)
... What happened to mandatory reporting? The clinics and hospitals are just as liable for the continuation of this abuse if they knew and did not report this. -- Also, article reads "religious" but does not specify which religion. Goal Ratzon also had a religious aspect to his cult, but concensus has it he was Hiloni. Everyone wears a kippa to court, so why is there a presumption that this was an "Orthodox cult"? Moreover, are not the two mutually exclusive?
18. #14 Naomi -What do you mean by AGAIN?
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (08.02.11)
When were the other times you've heard about this type of behavior Pls. be explicit, times, dates & places You can also include Guyana & Mormon's if you wish, although they have nothing to do with Israel I guess you've also heard about the child brides of Arabia, some still in diapers, already engaged to be married at the tender age of when they can bear a man's weight on them
19. beware politicians who talk about "zero-tolerance"!
tom ,   toronto, canada   (08.02.11)
this case is about ABUSE, of women and children, and not about "cults" or scoring political points. the implication of minister kahlon's words is repugnant. what is a "cult", what is the "harmful phenomenon of cults", and what sort of battle does his ministry wage "on a daily basis"? purest political puffery! but the "zero-tolerance for such cases" part goes a step further. it implies that for "other cases" there is some sort of tolerance? are there "cases and cases"? what kind of legal system picks and chooses certain cases for "zero-tolerance" over others? is abuse of adults, rather than children, to be "tolerated"? or is the minister implying that it's okay to abuse arabs, or secular jews? "zero-tolerance" is a stupid, and completely discredited, slogan cribbed from the american political right wing. it is responsible for some terrible distortions of justice, and unnecessary incarcerations. beware the politicians who would score points over sensationalized court cases!
20. go ask the agudah!
tom ,   toronto, canada   (08.02.11)
go ask the agudah: is this another case where you should "go ask the rabbi" before calling the police? how is it possible that this many people should be involved in such abuse and nobody in the community noticed, or did anything? rabbi metzger's statement, as quoted, doesn't go nearly far enough - "to be wakeful and wary of such cases within their communities" is not the same as a blanket condemnation of domestic abuse, on halakhic and moral grounds. isn't it time that the chief rabbinate came out, openly and clearly, and proclaimed their acceptance of the legitimacy of the police, rather hiding behind harmfully outdated galutnik ideas of "being moser"?
21. #12 Ben Jabo you cant be brainwashed
Haim ,   TA   (08.02.11)
Because you have to have a brain in the first place . So no doubt you will be joining the cult, oh sorry i forgot you already belong to one
22. #21 Haim - a simple test for a simpleton
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (08.02.11)
Let's authenticate the fact that you're the Jew you pretend to be Your Bar Mitzvah Parsha & Haftorah were ? Failure to answer is proof that you've not one of us, merely an inept pretender posing as one
23. no.6-It's the same.
Jew1 ,   Ashdod   (08.02.11)
The man staying with 32 wives claimed himself to be religious and forced all his women to dress like one. He also proclaimed himself as messiah. In this cult also the most of women were from the religious community and few were secular. The main problem here is that haredi community has lost it's capability to think and act. Everything is done with the permission of rabbi. This procedure has killed the capability and confidence of a person to differentiate between right and wrong (except the books what they teach without any street knowledge). It has killed it's instincts to help or voice the injustice. No tv, no internet, no national news paper have created a wide gap of knowledge negligence and created a very innocent community who is easy to control and very very easy target for these wolves. I am not saying these things don't happen in secular community but ratio speaks for itself..
24. Cults
Wendy ,   Los Angeles USA   (08.02.11)
I know from first-hand experience about abusive cults - I was in one on California for 15 years and I still haven't recovered. I may never recover.
25. A CULT HAS NO PART IN JUDAISM
SUE ,   JERUSALEM   (08.02.11)
THESE SICK INDIVIDUALS WHO ABUSED WOMEN AND CHILDREN ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE TORAH LIFE AT ALL. WHAT HURTS IS RIGHT AWAY, JEWISH SELF-HATERS HAVE TO LASH OUT AGAINST OUR BEAUTIFUL RELIGION. SHAME ON YOU.
26. #25 SUE
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (08.02.11)
Some of the "haters" are pretending to be Jews, using any excuse to spew their venom
27. @6 stand down!
(08.02.11)
the TLV cult leader you refer to something or other Go-el is in jail. The house of Israel (all of the house of Israel - secular and religious) does not tolerate abuse of children.
28. Another abusive cult from the ultra orthadox
Haim ,   TA   (08.03.11)
Something has to be fundemetaly wrong with their society as we are hearing more cases all the time, and as we know from the secret society in which they conduct theirselves this is only the tip of the iceburg. It is their duty to report these matters to the Police and not some Rabbi that cares more about his honor than the wellbeing of an innocent child. The man that commited this horrendous crime is a monster and deserves to be locked away all his life. IT seems such fanatical life style is a breeding ground for such monsters.
29. #16, Talula
Helene ,   Tel Aviv   (08.03.11)
The kids were brainwashed to tell lies while in hospitals .....
30. To #18
Helene ,   Tel Aviv   (08.03.11)
Last time was here in Israel with the mother taliban (she is in jail right now) and with that disgusting religious guy who fled to Brazil and was extradicted to Israel... I can't remember his name right now !!! Ah and I forget the mother who was starving her child in Jerusalem..
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