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Relationships: Israel and American Jewry
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Published: 18.08.11, 19:10
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1. Eurasian Jews vs. American Jewry
Thomas ,   USA   (08.18.11)
Facts: Eurasian Jews (E. Europeans, Russians, Mizrahim, Sephardim) life was formed by experiences of the Holocaust and the virulent antisemitism which preceded it over centuries. These people were - survivors of the ovens - those who created Israel, fought for it and died for it. American Jewry conversely were saved from all the horrors that befell their Continental brethren, them were free to pursue money, fame and amassed unparalleled societal influence. Most of them immigrated to America from Communist Russia (Pale of Settlement) and their belief in the Utopian Marxist dreams remained unshaken even as plutocrats. With 78% voting for the Marxist Obama they are vociferously hostile toward Israel - (religious Nation-State) - a concept which is incompatible with the Marxist ideology. What's is the bond between an Ivrit speaking Russian or Mizrahi Jew and an Anglo banker at Wall Street or the Israel bashing Toni Kushner (Hollywood) and Jstreet? I am East- European Holocaust survivor - I was a child - and I found very repulsive the plutocratic, Marxist, anti-Israeli Jewry. After the flotillas, air-tillas, what's going to be like the next anti Israeli assault from the people of Tikkun Olam?
2. Who gives a flying fig what the Jews in America think or
Al   (08.18.11)
feel? These bozos were front and centre in electing an anti-semite as their President. And today after 3 years of animus towards Israel and the Jews, the so called Jews in America still support Odumbo. Guess what..The Jews in America are becoming piss poor as America is sinking and quite frankly they are not worth the bother. They missed the boat as the boat has left the harbour. Like most Jews in the golus, they melt in the sun of goyhood. Were it not for some Chabadnicks etc 90% of them would have become goyim like 50 years ago. They are so divorced from Jewish life that calling them Jews is a misnomer. In short Israel must move on..There are much bigger fish to fry.
3. #1 thomas, #2 al
solomon ,   bklyn   (08.18.11)
Both of you are wrong. 1. Where do you think many (if not most) American Jews came from? Surprise! From those very same Holocaust survivors. And those that didn't have experienced prejudice even in the US. You seem to have shut yourself off from US Jews and refuse to see reality. 2. Another generalization from another know-it-all. You obviously have no idea of the vibrant Jewish life here nor do you have any acceptance of any Jew who is different than you because you know the only way to be Jewish. You also forget who delivered arms in the Yom Kippur war that had to be sent directly to the front and the reason why (ie political reason; Jews, as you have stated, vote.) The bozo is you.
4. Correct terminology: Israelis in IL, Jews are in diaspora.
Michael ,   California, USA   (08.18.11)
There is a historical connection from before 1948, before the separation started. How strong is the connection today? Very little among the younger people. Like night and day and the separation continues to grow. Nothing you can do about that.
5. american and israeli jewry
lshuman ,   narbeth, usa   (08.18.11)
It is more difficult everyday for young assimilated US jews to identify with Israel. This is a new generation that did not experience the holocaust and for the most parts are removed from the common heritages of Europe and the Middle East that prior generations had. The young American jew sees Israels as a country full of corruption at the highest level, out of touch with the rest of the world, viewing american jews as rich uncles to be shaken down for money while Israel grows richer and richer and fails to fulfill the obligation it has to its own citizens for a fair society, a creeping theocracy, and as a country that hangs on to the same old tired leadership that once in power stays in power forever and ever and ever. How long have Perez and Netanyu been around?
6. An Oxford student once said:
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (08.18.11)
I despise all Americans,but have never met one i dislike. If this is the Israeli and American Jewish relationship.Nothing to worry about.
7. #3 Before you comment, read up on history
Al   (08.19.11)
Nixon send arms to Israel in 1973. Those arms that only started coming to Isreal on Oct 18 1973, 12 days after the start of the war. The war ended on Oct 23. Those arms never made it to the front. Nixon was never acceopted by the bozo american Jews, you included. The Jews never voted for him, in fact they kept on voting Democrap till today. Before you debate me, know something.
8. #7 al
solomon ,   bklyn   (08.19.11)
Dayan (whose word I trust more than yours) said that "the arms delivered by the US were sent directly to the front". Why do you think they were sent? Israel needed them (per Golda Meir, whose word I also trust more than yours). Part of the reason Nixon sent them was the 'Jewish lobby'; Jews didn't vote for him but he wanted them to. [I noticed no comment from you regarding Jewish life in the US.] "Before you debate me, know something."
9. Who gives a flying fig...
Rhonda Blender ,   Chicago, Illinois   (08.19.11)
It really sorrows me to read that you are lumping together a whole group of people as if everyone has the same opinion. I am very pro-Israel. I always take the position that the Israelis know best what is the right thing for them. I'm sorry you think someone like me should be thrown down the drain. It doesn't change my support or affection for Israel and the Israeli people.
10. I'm one of those Jews of Russian decent
An American Jew   (08.19.11)
whose family came to America generations ago and who did not lose known family to the Holocaust. I AM A ZIONIST! I do NOT support OBAMA! Did NOT vote for him and will NOT vote for him! I am NOT religious! Do NOT count ME out! Am Israel Chai!
11. 7. you are mistaken
An American Jew   (08.19.11)
Nixon won McGovern in a huge landslide. MANY many Democrats, including Jews, voted for Nixon. Facts are always the best choice.
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