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Abbas: We want settlements-free state
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31. BRITISH RIOTERS
Ian ,   Newcastle upon Tyne   (08.12.11)
Over the last few days there's been considerable discussion on ynet comparing the recent British rioters to the current Israel protesters.Of course,they're as alike as chalk and cheese. But here we do see a really close comparison.Just as the British rioters had the attitude of me,me,me and blow you,we're taking it by force rather than work for it,so the PA. What Abbas is saying is us,us,us and you clear off so that we can take everything that YOU built.Recent experience says that violence is coming. I hope that the IDF doesn't stand back watching it all happen like the London police did. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!
32. Hows Bout Jordan is Palestine?
Noah Lev ,   HollywoodCAUSA   (08.12.11)
What a joke this bum is, and he is a bum. He, like Arafat, does not want 2 states, he wants a land swap. Israel will give up its land behind the green line to a Pales state ( Jordan is the real Palestine). This is all nonsensical. Arafat had a state in his hands..turned it down over the right of return scenario wherein 5m Muslms relocate to Israel proper..and live in peace, love, friendship, harmony and cooperation wth the Jews. And I will sell you the George Washington Bridge for 24 dollars. The right of return is very much on the table, while the Arabs refuse to accept Israels Jewishness. They want to change history...10 lost wars with the Jews, to undue their cries of Jihad in 48, 67 and 73. When they attacked Israel in 48, all bets were off. The "settlemetns are illegal under intl law"? Okay, what about Irans nukes, Libyas massacre and lets not forget Syrias genocide ( the and now) Get this..the Syrian ambassador to England says the protestors are thugs and "gans"., like the gangs in England. Sure, and my mother is a Palestinian Arab Muslim. Now, Egypt is fliritng with the Brotherhood...dismissing US aid as "interference". We are giving money to several parties vying for postions in their govt. In Pakistan, they hate US for killing Bin Ladin..yet we are warned not to end our aid to them I mean, they have nukes. But part of this lies with Israeli leaders..who seem not to know what to do? Israel needs a Michele Backmann, or Rudi Giuliani, or Mitt Romney or even Ron Paul....NOT a bunch of people like Livni, Olmert, and Obama lookalikes. You want a protest...hows about "Jordan is Palestine" "Dont like it, eat sand".
33. When you appease to cruel people you get monsters.
Avram Goldsmith ,   Toronto, Canada   (08.12.11)
34. Abbas
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.12.11)
"i will never allow a single Israeli to live among us on palestinian land" that's what he said on 28/07/2010 . So nothing new today . Barak , in 2000 , wanted to give them 98 % of all Judea Samaria . Their answer : intifada . And then they claim that we do not want to live in peace here .
35. MORE PALLYWOOD
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (08.12.11)
What a waste of time, but it's main function is one of Pallywood (PR) anyway, right? The USA will veto this is a 100% guarantee, how many other countries is hard to say. I would think Britain and France will do the same. But what's important is this, this bid for statehood is DOA. Abbas is lying as usual. Abbas states he wants the area: ""empty of settlements." , what does that mean? No Jewish people allowed in the new state, a blatantly racist policy. What if Israel wanted their country "empty of Arabs", what would be the immediate response from the world, OUTRAGE. Yet the leader of the Palestinians can openly and comfortably state that he wants NO Jews in his new country and that's OK. Then we have these two lies from Abbas: 1) "that Israel's settlement policy was the main obstacle to the peace process.". 2) "first, second and third choice is to establish the Palestinian state through negotiations," Both of those remarks are lies. The main obstacle to peace is NOT the settlements. But the refusal of the Palestinian leaders to except Israel and it's right to exist. As BiBi stated say the 6 words and we'll sit down and talk. Pretty simple really, yet they won't say 6 words publicly, what does that tell you? Second, Abbas said his 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice is to negotiate, then why not say the 6 words, and why did he waste 9 out of the 10 month settlement freeze, asking for more concessions? Hmmm. See how easy it is to prove these guys are liars.
36. Palestine#1, Jordan, is free of jews; Palestine#2 Gaza is ..
bernard ross ,   st anns bay jamaica   (08.12.11)
...free of jews; so why not also P#3? Israel needs to go back to square one and repudiate the illegal giving of the mandate to create the arab state Jordan and the attempt to repeatedly slice up the remaining jewish crumbs for further arab states. These travesties were foisted on a weak jewish people after the holocaust and 2000 years of european chronic, congenital, serial jew killing. The jew kilers conclusions should not be allowed to remain in place
37. perhaps the end of peace talks by the arabs is a blessing
bernard ross ,   st anns bay jamaica   (08.12.11)
Israel has an opportunity to right the wrongs of the past starting with the repudiation of the illegal giving of 77% of palestine mandate, for the arab state jordan, to the hashemites from Arabia by the UK
38. Agree
solomon ,   bklyn   (08.12.11)
I can agree to any state formed for the "Pals" to be without "settlers" and within the 1948 Green Line. The only question is how far within the Green Line it will be. Also add Israeli control of air space and security...until the "Pals" prove themselves, if ever that happens.
39. Settlement Free? What are you saying Mr. Abbas?
Golani ,   Vineland, USA/Israel   (08.12.11)
I know that similar comments are being made, but just think about what Abbas is saying. He wants his so called Palestinian State to be Jew Free. What does that sound like? His plans are truly for an apartheid state. How would he feel if Israel were to say that we will turn Israel into an Arab village or Arab town free country? Would democratic Israel do that? I don’t think so, it is not what we are about. So what does that say for Mr. Abbas? I hope that the US Lawmakers and that those of us that are still moral in this world are hearing Mr. Abbas’s clearly racist message and domineer. He should be condemned for what he is and what he stands for.
40. No problem...
William ,   Israel   (08.12.11)
the land for your autonomy (not State) will be OUTSIDE of settlement blocs which will be annexed to Israel.
41. #24 - didn't the whole Arab clan invade in 7th century?
William ,   Israel   (08.12.11)
Atleast current immigrating Jews come through the front door with a visa. Besides an occupation by Arabs which is going into its 14th century, you've also illegally snuck into the country in the 1930s and squatted on open land (claiming to be natives), and forced immigration into the West Bank by Jordan who illegally annexed it in 1949 (both war crimes). Hagana, Stern, Irgun - all necessary Jewish protection forces which resulted from over 10 years of Arab racist violence which the British refused to stop nor protect Jews from. Wasn't it a 90 year old woman from Hebron, now living in Syria, who exclaimed how wonderful it was when her father personally killed Jews there in 1929, and wished all Jews were killed back then? Such are the sentiments of Arabs we're dealing with. Sadly, they are the reason there is little peace in the world, whether hijacking a plane, or blocking up a train, or threatening an entire nation because of a cartoon.
42. No Settlements = No Settlements
LebanonPride ,   Canada   (08.12.11)
Why would they want to keep the illegal Israeli settlements in their state? Comparing this to a Holocaust is an absolute joke and typical move from Israeli's under pressure. The Israeli gov't is making it much easier for Abbas to get international support with the recent plan to expand the illegal settlements. And quoting something he said nearly 2 years ago, you love living in the past I know, but it's starting to get tiring. It seems you have 3 arguments: 1) Anti-Semetism 2) Holocaust 3) Actions done in the past. All 3 are weak.
43. Abbas-Islamist-Jihadist Usurper
Brod ,   USA   (08.12.11)
Abbas should stop usurping Judea, Samaria, Jerusalem-Land of Israel from the Jewish Nation. Its time America stops wasting its time and money propping up Islamist-Jihadists like Abbas.
44. Has anybody got Abbas's email address?
Ian ,   Newcastle upon Tyne   (08.12.11)
If somebody could provide,I'd love to directly tell him what I think of him. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!
45. "empty of settlements." -code for no Jews.
Allan ,   Delray Beach, FL   (08.12.11)
46. #42 lebanon
solomon ,   bklyn   (08.12.11)
They are strong arguments, among other strong arguments. If they've lasted two years as you say, it shows they aren't as "weak" as you would like them to be.
47. No settlements
graczek ,   Maryland, USA   (08.12.11)
By Divine Rule, there should be no one of the Jewish persuasion anywhere in the Holy Land; this has been the case since the final dispersion in 135 AD. Perhaps after Palestine Liberation, a very small colony of perhaps 100 Jews may be allowed to remain there under UN auspices to tend to historical sites. These Jews will be required to sign a legal document forswearing Zionism.
48. They Want Israel Judenrein
Noah Lev ,   hollywood, CaUSA   (08.12.11)
Sound familiar? in 1933 Hitler won and became head of the Reich. In his book, "My Struggle", he blamed the Jewish/Communist conspiracy and domination of Russia, for all of Germany's ills and defeats. Later he said theJew stabbed Germany in the back (hoarded money and profitted by WW1) His goal was to rid Germany of its Jewish "influence". and make it Judenrein. (Sounding more familiar?). After Crystal Night, Germany showed its true intent...from then until 1945, 7m Jews were murdered..all over Europe/Russia. Hitler had planned to kill every Jew in Britain, Ireland, Spain/Portugal, AND eventually the USA. He knew that the above would only be done in stages...the world locked the Jews out, and the Jews in ( the 12 Einsatzgruppen death squads murdered 2m people) alone. 1.5m children (Jewish), were vaporized. Abbas says, land for peace is worthless, the Jews are against the right of return (read NYTimes article), , Jerusalem is the capital, an army, treaties with its enemies, and FOR retention of some major settlements. The Pales say, okay, 2 states..then the final Jihad...the entire area Judenrein. STAGES? Back in Israel, Peace Now is filing a SC complaint against those units in Har Homa, etc. The US says the apts thwart peace. Abbas says, it shows Israel wants to occupy the territories forever., while at the UN, the Pales are demanding history be reversed, as if 48, 67 and73 never occurred. (Read Michael Oren's accounting of what if, the Arabs had won). Abbas dismisses UN242 as moot. In 67, 50,000 graves were prepared for Jews. in 73, Egypt had gas vans. Syria emasucated its Jewish captives. Yet, Israeli leftists still believe in miracles. They think the Arabs can learn to love them...its the occupation of the W. Bk, the settlements and Jerusalem, that is stopping peace. Yeah, and Ill sell you the Williamsberg Bridge. Abbas is being honest..no Jews or dogs allowed. Hamas/Hez also have reveaedl their ultimate goals. The ans: Jordan is Palestine. Stop the Olso process and end the Roadmap. Annex needed land (including ettlements) if Abbas goes to the UN. Let them eat cake. Wake up Israel...end your frivilous protests until AFTER September...and you know where you stand. They want your land Judenrein, get it and worse, they want to emulate the Reich, 1933 to 1945.
49. to 24
john Darren ,   cairns-Australia   (08.13.11)
Your post is from no where.You are an idiot.
50. to 47
john Darren ,   cairns-Australia   (08.13.11)
Even silly Salma does not squawk as bad as you do.Educated Arabs must cringe at your stupid posts.Go chase your goat.
51. Re #47 poor Graczek
John ,   Alaska   (08.13.11)
You err, knowing neither the Scriptures nor the power of G-d. The G-d of the Bible promised the Promised Land to His Chosen People. The Scriptures say that when the Jews have returned to Israel, they will be there to stay, and G-d Himself will protect them. And Ha'Shem has kept his word, in 1948, 1967, 1973, and will do so today. If you knew either the Scriptures or the power of G-d Almighty, you would return from your intense hatred of the Jews to the blessing the Most High has for you, if only you would bless Jewish Israel.
52. Keep stalling and we keep building!!
Iranian Jew ,   LA   (08.13.11)
This guy or any guy from his party are just simply a waste of time. He can't negotiate on behalf of the crazis in Gaza. We have successfully divided the crazis (WB) from too crazis (GAZA). And that's the only way we can leave in relative peace. He is not credible. He should reconcile with Jordan and call it quits once for all.
53. mahmud abas
odedmarer ,   here and there   (08.13.11)
I share mahmud's desires. and wish to help. surely we can find solutions and that would depend on addressing each others wants and needs. 1st let's focus on what we all face as people united. green desert is great Idea we can work together and build and construct new manufacturing businesses. together is key.
54. 47. graczek
Anna ,   Montreal, Canada   (08.13.11)
Holy Land is Holy only for Jews and then Christians. You can't claim you have anything to do with the holiness of the Land of Israel. Original Palestinians were Jews. When did Arabs started to call themselves "Palestinians", about 50 years ago? Settlers have documentation with their proven ownership of the land. State of Israel gave them permission to build on the State's land. Who are you, graczek, to dictate independent nation what to give and what to leave? Is it "Divine Voice" in your head pushed you to write such nonsense: "a very small colony of perhaps 100 Jews may be allowed to remain there under UN auspices to tend to historical sites. These Jews will be required to sign a legal document forswearing Zionism. "? Your "Divine writings" comparable to Hitlers "Mein Campf".
55. To 38, Salomon
Luiz F Haddad ,   Niteroi, Brazil   (08.13.11)
Dear Salomon. Y do agree with you. The Palestinian State must exist, but recognizing Israel at first, and accepting redrawed and secure borders; also, being demilitarized, having only Police's forces. The best solution for the conflict resides on it.
56. #47, crazek
Howard Immanuelson ,   US   (08.13.11)
Are you still here hating on the Jews, Crazek? What did the Jews ever do to you to engender so much hate from you?
57. Jewish Free?
william ,   Canada   (08.13.11)
Israel should withdraw its Ambassadors from any and all western countries that would agree to this,Diplomatic ties to any country agreeing with Abbas or Hamas is an Insult anyway you look at it.//
58. #24 Palestinian
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (08.19.11)
Irgun, Haganah, Stern, all the results of Arab attacks against the Jews You put the cart before the horse, first came your attacks, our responses followed You really should keep up with the times, the plain and simple fact is that you are shedding blood in many countries where there are no Jews in your pursuit of Jihad against innocents, examples are qutie readily available www.therelgiionofpeace.com (what a lie) Weekly Jihad Report Aug 08 - Aug. 15 Jihad Attacks: 43 Allah Akbars: 5 Dead Bodies: 202 Critically Injured: 468 Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29 2011.08.18 (Herat, Afghanistan) - Seven children are among two dozen bus passengers torn to shreds by Taliban bombers. 2011.08.18 (Eilat, Israel) - Eight Israelis die when Arab snipers open fire on buses and cars. 2011.08.17 (Chamarkand, Pakistan) - A man and his son are gunned down by Muslim terrorists. 2011.08.17 (Tarmiya, Iraq) - A suicide bomber takes down two family members in their own home. 2011.08.17 (Pattani, Thailand) - An elderly Buddhist school bus driver is murdered by Islamic snipers. 2011.08.17 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A rubber tapper is among three civilians shot to death by Muslim gunmen in separate attacks
59. GRACZEK - HOLD YOUR BREATH
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (08.19.11)
& CONTINUE TO HOLD & HOLD WHILE WAITING FOR WHAT WILL NEVER BE. AN ARAB PALESTINE
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