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Norway’s Jewish obsession
Manfred Gerstenfeld
Published: 14.08.11, 18:24
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31. #22
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (08.15.11)
Stop blaming and condemning the "Norwegians" as a group. I like the ordinary Norwegians, they seem nice and want fairness and justice. I do think the Norwegians have two problems, shared by the rest of Europe, Israel, and increasingly the US. The first is Islamists, not normal Muslim people who want to live their lives like everyone, but violent psychopaths who demand extra rights and respect. The second is fanatical Leftists (in Norway people like Solberg and Skei) who pander to the Islamists, at the expense of the normal Muslims, in their battle against the indigenous culture of their countries. These Leftists hate Jews and they are the ones who bring Israel to everyone's attention.
32. Nr 9.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (08.15.11)
If You want to be a Spokesmen for Norway and the Noeweighiab People, you also need to bear the burden of the Actions of the whole of Norway, and dont be only a -one-track-mind and one-trick-pony. Arn.Sweden.
33. #23 Yes, the agenda is even outspoken
berlonski ,   berlin   (08.15.11)
In interviews Gerstenfeld explained his "bad news" method - picking single incidents to portray a country or an organisation in a bad way in order to undermine its credibility - as a kind of pro-active counter-balancing of (what he sees as) anti-Israel bias. That's a clearly political and not journalist approach. A kind of voice of the Lieberman elements in the Israeli government in journalist disguise.
34. seems terribly cliché to say this, but I’ll say it anyway:
Alon ,   Israel   (08.15.11)
Terrorism, the use of violence against civilians for political goals or opinions, is wrong and evil, always and with no possible exceptions!!! israel and norway stand for peace!
35. ynet! please stop promoting hate!
israeli from israel   (08.15.11)
As an individual and as a citizen of Israel, I speak to a country that I feel has only ever tried to do god, but ended up doing wrog to mine. and still, the murderer apparently forgot the commandment “thou shalt not kill,” but you, Norway, may you know only “peace like a river, and righteousness like waves of the sea.” (Isaiah 48:18)
36. #4 graczek
Maurice ,   Montreal   (08.15.11)
Hey graczek , try to be a little more original. We are tired of this old antsemitic tune that Jews control everything in every country! You are so boooring!
37. # 22
Daivid ,   Ashdod, Israel   (08.15.11)
the feeling is not motual cause we in israel don't hate on anybody!!!! maybe they don't understand us, maybe they let the islamic propaganda take over their minds but we still don't hate them!!!!! i send my love to norway.
38. #33 Makes sense - that's what Gerstenfeld is up to
Dovid ,   Los Angeles   (08.15.11)
It's sad that Ynet has fallen for this immature and foolish behavior.
39. graczek #4, YES, we few Jews plan to take over the world!
Sargent Preston ,   U.S.A.   (08.16.11)
It's only reasonable to expect that such an inteligent and crafty 1.5% of the world's population can take over the other billions of mankind. You are such an intelligent woman to have suspected it. I'll tell you what. We plan to take over the world next month and I'll cut you in since you're such an enlightened lady. Meet us for the big conspiracy meeting in our secreet hide out. Toodles.
40. #27 intedi
solomon ,   bklyn   (08.16.11)
While I agree that we should not assume all Norwegians are like the politicians noted in the article, it IS the business of Israel to note what is said about Jews anywhere. That was a raison d'etre in the founding of Israel. With no country to represent them, the Jews were helpless. Now that there is Israel, Israel cannot isolate itself from the Jews for whom it was established.
41. Norway's Jewish obsession
David W. Rothschild ,   Montreal, Canada   (08.16.11)
Kudos to you for writing about Norway's inability to avoid offending Jews. The bottom line with Norway is that it is a duplicitous, offensive little nation that is populated by liberal bigots who have gotten away with their anti Jewish crap for decades. Norway & her folk merit contempt, nothing more.
42. #24 Norwegian media and Israel
Tahl   (08.16.11)
It is not specifically this massacre that I'm talking about. Throughout the recent decades, the Norwegian media has continuously been obsessed with villifying and denigrating Israel in every opportunity (and there is never any shortage of such opportunities) - always taking the Palestinian side 100% - even to the point of condoning terror against Israeli civilians. We have a good memory here.
43. #40 solomon
Intedi Nensak ,   Lidingö, Sweden   (08.16.11)
Israel was created so that those jews who wished to emigrate and live in a safe (at least that was the plan) jewish land could do so. It was not created to act as a spokesperson for the jewish diaspora. Those jews who have chosen to remain in Norway have the norwegian government to represent them and their local community leaders. There is no reason why some foreigners, without being asked to do so, should speak for them.
44. To: No. 9
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.16.11)
Contemplate this: if there weren't so much virulent anti-Semitism and baseless hatred of Israel in Norway, he probably would. But with all the Jew and Israel hatred in Norway, you are giving him grist for his mill. Why not just stop hating Jews and Israel? Or is Norway a one-trick pony? You think we don't know that if you take away the North Sea oil, Norway goes straight back to being the second poorest -- and most ignorant -- country in Europe? Oh, we know. We know. And when the North Sea oil runs out -- due to happen in about a decade -- Norway is going to go back to exactly what it always has been. Don't flatter yourselves.
45. Let me tell you a little about Norway
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.16.11)
About ten years ago, I was in Grimstad on business. I always wear a Magen David, and I wear it proudly. A kid -- couldn't have been more than sixteen -- who was walking towards me looked straight at my Magen David, came up close -- I thought he wanted to ask me a question -- so I smiled at him and stopped walking. He spat on me. First of all, no one spits on me. No one. He walked away, doubtless feeling all proud and brave, and I came up behind him, quietly, and kicked him very hard, where I thought it would do the most good. (That's something my husband taught me -- if you are going to nail someone in the nuts, do it from behind. Much more effective.) He went down like a sack of rocks. I felt he needed a little incremental reinforcement, so I kicked him again. Then once more, just to be sure my message came across. He didn't look apologetic enough (hard to look apologetic when you are busy heaving out the contents of your stomach) so, just to be sure, I stepped on him and ground my heel a few times. I'm sure he remembers me every time he sits down to urinate. That's Norway, folks.
46. To: No. 43
(08.16.11)
Wrong. Israel has always had a dual identity -- there is Israel the land and Israel the people. Remember the Bible (are you even aware of it?) -- Jacob battles with the angel and G-d says, "Because thou hast met adversity and conquered it, Jacob, thy name is Israel." Jacob is the father of the twelve tribes. Israel. Do not try to create an artificial distinction between Israel the country and Israel the people. It won't work. Israel speaks for all Jews, everywhere. Israel is why Jews aren't being marched off to slaughter. It is Israel that saved the Jews in Entebbe. No one else cared. It is Israel that avenged the Jews who died in Argentina. If something bad happens to Jews ANYWHERE .... Israel will be there. Do keep that in mind the next time the Arabs go on the rampage in Malmo. 'kay? We'll come to Sweden if we have to. Make no mistake.
47. re: 45 Sarah B.
Marcel ,   Holland   (08.16.11)
Kicking a kid when he is down. Sounds like a real Israeli. You must be sooo proud.
48. To: No. 47
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.16.11)
You bet your ass. Like I said -- no one spits on me. Is that a problem? Too, too bad for you. I guess a real Dutchman like you thinks spitting on a Jew is a good thing. I am sooooo sorry to disappoint you.
49. ****Sarah**** at 45...That is the BEST story
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (08.16.11)
I have heared in a long time...!!!! If it would be possible, I would even admire You more than I already do...!!! Your story just made my day...!!!!
50. #46- I couldn't have put it better myself. Thanks.
solomon ,   bklyn   (08.16.11)
51. #2 LEBANON'S DISGRACE
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (08.16.11)
"Seems", did you do an acutual count Seems like each and everyone of your sub-moronic posts has Israel as its focus, despite the fact you have never been here, don't intend to come, and then meander off into other places you've never been to Seems that you never intend to go to the Lebanon you pretend to love, it's ever so much safer hiding in Canada, playing pretend
52. In the news from ABC... God smites Norway...
seadog1946 ,   Erie Basin, NYC   (08.16.11)
Norway's Statoil has received a huge boost to its reserves with the announcement that two previous North Sea oil discoveries are connected which may represent the biggest find in the Norwegian continental shelf in 30 years. Statoil said in a statement Tuesday that the Aldous and Avaldsnes oil discoveries together contain between 500 million and 1.2 billion barrels of oil — significantly more than previously thought.
53. to Sarah et al.
iselin ,   Oslo, Norway   (08.16.11)
I know that Grimstad is in Norway. The rest of it, well... No spectators? How convenient. Norwegians have no problem stopping people they don't know doing nasty things, and I am talking about both parties here. You neglected to say if the spitter was ethnic Norwegian. As an American Jew living in Norway for the last 30 years, I can say that Norway is a far kinder and better place for Jews than the little town in the southern US where I grew up. I have never experienced any discrimination here, but I sure did there. Norwegian Jews have a good life. They are well-educated, affluent, secular and assimilated. They ski, hike in the mountains, pick berries and mushrooms, and enjoy the four seasons, just like other Norwegians. No need to leave, in spite of all the dire prose on Ynet from GM and talkbackers.
54. To: Solomon at No. 50
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.16.11)
You are most welcome!
55. To: No. 53
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.16.11)
1. Wouldn't matter much to me if there were spectators or not. Frankly, I do not remember and it would not have made a difference in any event. No one spits on me. Do you have a problem with that? 2. I don't know if he was an ethnic Norwegian. I did not ask. I know only that he spat on me. No one spits on me. Do you have a problem with that? 3. I am very pleased to hear that you have a "good life" in Norway. Evidently, no one has ever spat on you. How nice. 4. So, how do you deal with it when the Norwegians rant and rave all kinds of terrible (and untrue) things about Israel? Does it bother you, or do you just shrug your shoulders and walk away to pick mushrooms and berries? You, sir, are no Jew. No matter what you may tell yourself. Norway -- in the grand scheme of things -- is one of the most Jew-hating countries on earth. If you don't recognize it, then you have no right to call yourself a Jew. Please convert to something more convenient.
56. To: No. 52
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.16.11)
I do so hate to disappoint you, but under the existing contracts, that oil belongs to Scotland. Sigh. Too bad for Norway, eh? They are just destined to go back to being a poor, uneducated and largely illiterate country. C'est la vie. I don't know how to say that in Norwegian. I don't really care to learn, either.
57. #53 are you for real?
Anti-spit   (08.16.11)
Did it matter whether the spitter was an ethnic Norwegian or not? Would that have made any difference to Sarah or to anyone else? Is rude and offensive behaviour acceptable from anyone? Is an unprovoked assault permissible or is a Magen David a provocation sui generi? You are blindly attacking Sarah to defend a submoronic point-of-view. Go pick mushrooms along with your fellow beloved antisemites!
58. Re: Iselin
Gábor Fränkl   (08.16.11)
Iselin, if we didn't already know that you are a sad pathetic self-hating Jew telling everyone around that it's "only" rain when people around you like the one in G. - spit on you and you wipe it off by pretending it is not what it looks like, you also are being inane when say Norway has four seasons. Nonsense and ridiculous, like the whole figure defending those who hate your guts and mock you behind your back. Pathtetic, as I said. Sara is right, of course. She at least has a Jewish spine, unlike mollusks like you.
59. Sarah B. and the Norway Spitter
Jill E. ,   Israel   (08.16.11)
We condemn that "disproportionate response." LOL! Good for you Kid - I want you on my team next time :)
60. to #2 LP It just seems that way
John ,   Alaska   (08.16.11)
Of the 54 YNet Op-Eds since the biggest attack on Norway since WWII, 7 had to do with Norway. One mentioned the Oslo Accords, but I trust this is not what you mean. 7/54 yields about on in every 7 and a half articles. After this most current article, there have been 5 of other subjects, and prior to this most current article, there were 15 consecutive articles of other subjects. In the immediate aftermath of the despicable attack, there were 3 Op-Eds, One about the failure of Norway's intelligence community, one about how Israel was drawn by a Norway obsessed with Israel to the point of having more mentions in Norweigian media than their giant neighbor, Russia., and a third about the fact that while the Media were vilifying Christians and conservatives in the wake of the actions of this insane person, the group actually responsible for the vast majority of terrorist acts worldwide within the past several decades has been Islamic Jihadism. A fourth - 8 articles later - was using the most reported news story of the prior week to analyze the perspective of media in the West.. A fifth - 9 articles later - was a response to a statement from a Norweigian leader that had Hamas committed the same act as was done to Norway, it would have been justified. The sixth - 11 articles later - was a response to anti-Semitism in Norway. It's possible that you are feeling a shared sense of guilt regarding Norway's widespread, open and flagrant anti-Semitism and their holding both the Jews and Israel to a double-standard compared with every other nation or people group on this planet, and just don't want to be reminded of Norway. This would be very reasonable. It's a similar perspective to someone who would rather not read in the news about every time terrorists in Gaza shoot unguided rockets at Israel hoping one will hit, and kill, some Jews. If one knows something that one supports is wrong, one doesn't want to keep being reminded about being wrong.
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