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The Jordan opportunity
Yoel Meltzer
Published: 01.09.11, 00:18
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31. Purity is insanity. This the movie. We have seen it to often
George I   (09.01.11)
The new movie is Freedom from Prejudices! Like on L1, the Jerusalem train, all people travel together happily. This is the new dream. Mix the neighborhoods and live happily.
32. #25 Dr. Nezami
solomon ,   bklyn   (09.01.11)
I understand your point about Jordanians having a loyalty to Jordan. There are some problems, however. 1. The arabs did not accept partition and started all wars in that immediate area. 2. Until very recently, the arabs stated repeatedly that they are arabs, not "Palestinians". 3. If arab holy places "must" stay under arab sovereignty, please be so kind as to grant Jewish holy places being under Jewish sovereignty without trying to change them from Jewish to arab (ex: Rachel's Tomb, Temple Mount, etc.) 4. Before you respond that arabs have been there for a millenia (and ignore that Jews where there way before the arab conquest), I should remind you that Jordan itself was created in the 1920's, and is not that much older than Israel.
33. #7
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (09.01.11)
Just to confuse the issue with a few facts. The revocation of citizenship was ruled illegal by the ICJ. They are already Jordanian citizens - illegally occupying Israeli territory. That is international treaty - between Israel and Jordan. We merely have to deport the illegals back to their own land.
34. #29 Well spoken, Muhammad.
(09.01.11)
35. !
peter ,   nyc, usa   (09.01.11)
What a shallow piece!
36. External factors leave 1 option: BIG ISRAEL
Jerry ,   The Netherlands   (09.01.11)
37. Only BIG ISRAEL can bring balance and freedom to ME.
Jerry ,   The Netherlands   (09.01.11)
38. #22 LMAO!!!!
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (09.01.11)
You anti-Semites and their Arab friends advocate again ethnic cleansing of Jews from Judea and Samaria for a 2nd time, yet howl like a mangy mutt when somebody says - if it's good enough for them to do, then it's good enough for us to do.
39. joel meltzer- "the jordan opportunity".
sjoerd ruurd van der ,   mankindnation/land   (09.01.11)
jordan is jordan, and reverse, for the jordan people, on national, jordan territory, the gaza-strip is the gaza-strip, and reverse, for the gazan-palestinian people, on national, gazan-strip-palestinian territory. the west-bank is the west-bank and reverse, for the west-bank-palestinian people, on national west-bank-palestinian territory ,unless otherwise proposed, decided and agreed by all the parties involved, with the mediation party/partner, the un. zionism/the zionist movement/people, judaism etc. also have a/the right on a state, a territory etc., so that they can/have the right to stay, if they wish, in the middle-east/in the west-asian world-region in a better negociation, than in 1948. and the parties involved, including the un have had more than time enough to learn from from their mistakes, since that year. so with the good-will from everybody/every party involved, with advice etc. from the un, security, peace, prosperity has to be realised at last. and of course the economic and financial cost of all of this has to be well-known in advanced.
40. Everyone, forward this....
Vlad   (09.01.11)
To your party's MKs, cabinet ministers, and the Prime Minister's Office. Make them aware of the opportunity. Such an opportunity simply cannot be squandered.
41. #25 Dr Nezami
Yisraeli   (09.02.11)
You know for a doctor as you claim yourself to be you dont sound too bright, rather ignorant actually. You act as if Jordan is an ancient country by that name. You dont want to associate your precious 1922 Jordan with the name palestine yet you want Israel to? Was not Jordan prior to 1922 known as palestine? Yes Jordan IS palestine, stop pretending its not.
42. Mr. Meltzer is right: We should start
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (09.02.11)
taking the initiative as opposed to nearly always reacting to situations caused by another faction, group or nation.
43. #9 sjoerd
solomon ,   bklyn   (09.02.11)
You ignore history, past as well as present. The PA and Hamas have already told you, as well as the rest of the world, that they will have none of it. They want what they want and will not accept any less than the disappearance of Israel and the death of the Jews.
44. #25
Iranian Jew ,   LA   (09.02.11)
The whole Palestine conquest did not even start until Arafat got kicked out of Jordan. You seem to forget about all of that. Didn't you Jordanian/Palestinians killed some 15,000 of your own and send them packing? ... Hello! Now, you are defending the ones that ran away from you? If king Abdullah is not from Heshmatie family then what is he? Jordianian or Palestinian? You need to admit your own mistakes and faults and help your own country men by taking them in. Egypt should do teh same. That's how this shrade is going to end.
45. Genius! //Sarcasm
Gianfranco Niccolai ,   Pistoia Italy   (09.02.11)
Dear Mr Meltzer, I totally agree that Jordan has a (ex- !) palestinian majority, but doesn't all the idea sound like giving to Jordan the main Israeli problem???
46. To: No. 25
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (09.02.11)
Are you nuts? Jordan only came into existence because, after the British made Feisal king of Iraq, Feisal's baby brother Abdullah stamped his foot and said that he wanted to be a king, too. So, the British lopped off about 77% of Palestine, and invented the "Kingdom of the Transjordan." Ruled by an Iraqi, with a British mother, raised in Britain, and with a Kuwaiti wife. Makes PERFECT sense, doesn't it? The world must understand that the ersatz "Palestinians" are NOT Israel's problem. How many wars does Israel have to win (all of them started by the Arabs)? How many decades of vicious Arab terror does Israel have to sustain? If the ersatz "Palestinians" are, as you say, a Moslem problem, then take them and put them somewhere in an uninhabited area of Saudi Arabia (isn't that where Arabs come from?) and get them the hell away from civilized people such as the Jews. They cannot have any part of Medinat Israel. Sorry .... but war is hell. And the victors get to call the shots. The losers have to take it. Just think about the Allies after World War Two. Germany lost roughly 20% of its territory. Italy lost Istria. Japan lost Iwo Jima and Okinawa. Why should Israel pay the price for having won six -- count 'em -- SIX wars that were all started by the Arabs? I don't think so/
47. To: Scott at No. 7
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (09.02.11)
Actually, the ICC ruled that Jordan could not revoke citizenship because the grant of citizenship, universally bestowed in 1954, to all West Bank Arabs AND THEIR PROGENY was made irrevocably, and irrevocably means PRECISELY that. If the crazy idiot ersatz "Palestinians" actually go ahead with their idiotic plans to have the U.N. declare them a "state," Israel WILL annex Judea and Samaria and repatriate all those Jordanian citizens to Jordan. You will NEVER lose money betting on the ersatz "Palestinians" to shoot themselves in the foot ... or would that be feet? ....
48. To: No. 14
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (09.02.11)
Well, since most of the ersatz "Palestinians" come from the Hejaz in the Western Arabian desert, or Syria, or Egypt, or Iraq .... shouldn't they be finding their actual homelands there? They are EXTRAORDINARILY lucky that -- at least for the moment -- we are letting them keep Gaza. That may well change quite soon.
49. Jordanians and Palestinians have to live together in Jordan
mohamad m . Abbadi - ,   Amman- Jordan   (09.02.11)
Mohammad Abbadi: ----------------------------- despite about 70 % of the population of Jordan are Palestinians , and they dominate onthe economy of Jordan ,but we can't say that Jordan is Palestine untill the international community finds a solution for the Palestinian issue. i can say that both Palestinians and Jordanians support the king to remain leader of the country but as a constitutional king . So palestinians and Jordanians who both of them haven't their full rights , will live in a democratic constitutional kingdom for its all people and have their full rights ,Jordanians and Palestinians have to live together for ever under the regime of the hashimate family .no other soultion
50. The Jordanian "king" lives at the expense
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (09.03.11)
of Israel, he hides in the shadow of international attention, but history will terminate his illegitimate rule and "Jordan" will finally be recognised as what it always was..."Palestine"...!
51. #49
Iranian Jew ,   LA   (09.05.11)
That would mean that your king has to tell Abbas to join him with WB. IF YOU CAN GET HIM TO DO THAT THEN WE WILL ALL BE HAPPY. Guess what? Your king does not want to do that. Then Abbas will become the new king. That means you have to provide all humanitarian basic life needs like water, gas, electricity & etc to WB. Your king has been avoiding that responsibility for decades. And he probably won't try to take that in future either. He's scared of Abbas & Hamas. The kingdom will have to end if you adpot Jordan uless Abbas takes a small job and keeps quite.
52. to nr. 43.
sjoerd ruurd van der ,   mankindnation/land   (09.05.11)
i have my own other thought and opinion, on your reaction on my former talkback.
53. #30 Raymond
Ron51 ,   Fairfax, USA   (09.05.11)
You submission is a compilation of apocryphal facts and faulty history. Palestinians do not claim to hail from Jordan. When Israelites crossed from Jordan into Canaan, known as Palestine, the land was occupied by (among others) the semite tribes, Amorites, Hittites and Jebusites. The Jebusites had built Jerusalem and inhabited the city for 100 more years. Many noted scholars and historians, including Israeli, have determined that the Jebusites are the forebears of Palestinians. The NYU School of Medicine and the Academy of Science discovered that ME Jewish men have a common genetic signature with Lebanese men, Syrian men and Palestinians, and with no other non-Jews in the world. The British did not break off territory intended for the Jewish homeland and give it to the Hashemites before the Mandate was authorized. Article 25 of the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine said:“In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to withhold application of this mandate.” With the League of Nations' consent, Britain did so in July 1922 separating the area east of the Jordan River from the Mandated land and population west of the river. The Jewish homeland did not include everything west of the Jordan nor the Golan. Neither San Remo, Balfour, the League of Nations nor the British intended for all the land west of the Jordan to be Jewish. “His Majesty’s Government would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the (Balfour) Declaration referred to, do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded IN Palestine.” The British Foreign Office made clear it was necessary to make room for Zionists in Palestine,“but NOT that they should turn the whole country into their home.” “His Majesty’s Government declares unequivocally, that the whole of Palestine should NOT become a Jewish State.” That Jordan is Palestine may make eminent sense to you: buy it does not to the Jordanians. Jordanian sovereignty is just as sacrosanct as the sovereignty of Israel.
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