Opinion
Israel’s siege mentality
Chanan Naveh
Published: 14.09.11, 23:46
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1. Too Late!! The extremists have won
Jon ,   Baltimore US   (09.15.11)
2. Rubbish. It's not an ideology; it's today's reality.
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (09.15.11)
That Naveh stoops to associating Israel with disreputable countries - Iran, Myanmar, South Africa and Albania - only exposes her thesis that, like them, Israel is evil or maybe just slightly mental. That today Israel has to celebrate each country that elects to boycott the Durban III anti-Semitic hate fest in the making (it's only up to 11) shows the morally bankrupt world we're dealing with. Yet Naveh would rather the soothing talk of an "Arab Spring" than face the violence and fundamentalism it has unleashed, and prefers to bash Israel for standing up for its rights an honor in its current conflict with Turkey. Is this typical of what she teaches in her School of Communication?
3. Victory Through Weakness ? You've Got To Love It
Dan ,   USA   (09.15.11)
Expect no less from an academic. Funny thing is they will be the first ones killed if Israel is ever defeated by the Arabs.
4. massada - one of the fishiest stories...
eporue ,   europe   (09.15.11)
... i dont believe one word of the plot...
5. 1 - I'm afraid you right...
Dave ,   NY   (09.15.11)
6. I apologise for Hanan Naveh
Hendryk   (09.15.11)
He is a typical looney-lefty academician, a useless person, fit only to scribble on this website.
7. I love this satire of idiotic left-wing thinking
Danny   (09.15.11)
8. Is YNET Hard Up For Copy?
Dan ,   NYC USA   (09.15.11)
Pathetic
9. Dear Doctor: You've answered your
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (09.15.11)
own questions with mention of Egypt given the recent assault on our embassy by an Egyptian mob wherein the Egyptian military only stepped in due to America's insistence, with mention of Turkey given Erodagan's severing official ties with us little by little and threatening us with military force and our control of our corner of the Mediterranean, and mention of the upcoming vote in the UN in which the majority of nations will stand with the Palestinian Arabs in spite of one powerful element (Hamas) being a terrorist organization focussed on exterminating the state of Israel (see Hamas Charter). I don't know what's the matter with you, Professor, since you have access to all the same information as I and, in fact, you refer to it but your logic (a sine quo non for an academic such as yourself) seems to have eluded you, simple logic, in fact. What is wrong, Professor? Are you subject to a neurodevelopmental crisis brought on by old age or is it that you require further publications of any kind, no matter how poor, in order to advance your status? At any rate, this piece of work is... well, to be honest, a piece of drek not worth the time I was forced to spend on it.
10. To: Raymond at No. 2
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (09.15.11)
Wouldn't worry too much. How many Nobel Prizes have Iran, Myanmar, South Africa and Albania received? (Grossly anti-Semitic "Bishop" Tutu's Nobel Peace Prize doesn't count.) Worst case scenario: we'll pull down the temple walls. With apologies to Dylan Thomas, Jews will never again go gently into that good night ....
11. To: No. 1
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (09.15.11)
Duh! Yes, we all know that Hussein Obama was elected to the American presidency. You do not have to state the obvious.
12. To: Dan at No. 3
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (09.15.11)
Honey bunny, if Israel ever feels that it is about to be defeated by the Arabs (not likely), the Shimshon Principle gets invoked; namely, Israel takes much of the world with it and renders the rest of it uninhabitable for the next 100,000 years. The phrase "Never Again" actually means something to us.
13. Let's not forget how the Metzada story ended.
Michael Steiner ,   Bahrain   (09.15.11)
14. @3
Gabriel ,   Leiden, Netherlands   (09.15.11)
Every country needs academics. In fact, academics are fundamental for the well-being and survival of the state. In Arab countries, there are disproportionally few of them, and look at what happens there. Ofcourse, I refer to college-schooled people in the western sense of the word, and not the Arab one. Over in those countries, it's usual to embark as a promising future physician, and emerge as full blown Mullah.
15. Just look at the headlines directly above this article:
Vered, Israel   (09.15.11)
Erdgan is ranting against us, Ahmadinawhackjob says Zionists started the workd wars, the Jordanians are getting ready to "go Arab" on our embassy, the Egyptians just did, and Abbas wants a Jew-free state! This is not a "mentality" it's just the state of affairs at present!
16. The quoted Prof. Daniel Bar-Tal ....
Terry ,   Eilat - Israel   (09.15.11)
Prof. Daniel Bar-Tal of Tel Aviv University is a far-left radical who write anti-Israel material for the U.N. & believes Zionism is an obstacle to peace. He is one among many far-left crackpots that infest our universities. He's actually a psychology professor not a political scientist, not that it matters much. His leftist rant has nothing to do with reality, it's just psycho-babble. Yeah, right, Israel is just like Communist Albania or Myanmar .... Well, I guess if some Stalinist Bolshevik says so, he should know. LOL. This article reminds me of the famous study by another luminary of the Left (whose name escapes me) who wrote that the fact that Israeli soldiers don't rape Arab women is proof we are racists. Now, how screwy do you have to be to write that? I was just reading about our tenured geniuses at the blog Zionist Conspiracy. The only ''syndrome'' I notice isn't a Masada-complex but rather a pathological hatred of one's own country, people, & religion. We are surrounded by enemies who want to kill us. That's reality. All & all, we deal with it with great success, maintaining an open & democratic society, so democratic, in fact, that wack-job leftist cranks can write nonsense in a major media outlet & not be put in prison but rather just ridiculed as fools.
17. Dr. Hanan Naveh - you are plain wrong
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (09.15.11)
You should not mistake ghosts of the mind for actual events in the physical world. We never opted for this "siege mentality" nor do we want it, but caution and suspicion and anxiety are natural responses of the few surrounded by many that are hostile. If we were many and if the enemy were few - the situation would be different. But rejecting real threats as paranoia is self-delusion. We never asked the "Palestinians" to terrorize us, steal our ancient homeland, steal and rewrite our 4000 years of Jewish history nor did we ask them to engage in boycotts, propaganda, terrorism, missile attacks, rocket attacks, kidnapping, demographic warfare nor acting the Trojan Horse of 22 anti-Semitic Arab states. We never asked Turkey to provoke us. We never asked Turkey to breach our moral, just and legal blockade of Gaza - which by the way doesn't belong to any "Palestinian" people or state in the history of mankind - nor did we ask the Turks to beat up and manhandle our soldiers. Our soldiers acted bravely and responsibly and I'm very proud of them. Change our policies? How about the "Palestinians" and the Turks changing their policies against us and getting off our backs?
18. Cliché's, sooo banal but sooo true!
tiki ,   belgium   (09.15.11)
One should communicate a few of those to academic, Dr. Hannan Naveh. It might **Bring him out of Cloud Nine and back to reality, for he's **Burrying his head in the sand, it's always better to **Be safe than sorry and **Forewarned is forearmed! By taking his advice of "changing policy towards the Palies, Turkey and all the other friendly Arabs & Muslims, for than "We shall no longer feel or be like **One sheep amid 70 wolfes....he's right .....there will be NO sheep among the 70 wolfes.
19. Thank you for a last bit of sobriety
Eldar ,   Haifa   (09.15.11)
The settlers and their weak-kneed supporters in Knesset are heralding the fall of the third temple. Pity that a majority of the county can favor ending the settlements and yet that minority can drag us to our knees. Our next war will be against external enemies, but it will be in defense of our internal fanatics.
20. What is Dr. Naveh's response to PLO's Jew-free ME?
Ilan   (09.15.11)
Adopting an anti-Jewish strategy isn't enough for them.
21. Open your eyes
sabashimon ,   USA   (09.15.11)
Siege mentality? Just read the headlines.
22. some Israelis need psychiatric help
Golan ,   Modiin   (09.15.11)
One of them is the writer who thinks we live in Switzerland and that the Swiss do not have a huge standing army ready at any moment to declare war on anyone even thinking of stepping on their territory. Israel needs to be like Switzerland in the following way, when anything flying comes at us from an Arab controlled territory like Gaza, Egypt, Lebanon, we should strike out/lash out/kill and butcher then say, "now, do you want us to continue?" and ignore the UNcivilized world's condemnation as the Swiss did in WWII.
23. Hanan's ideas
Marek ,   Toronto, Canada   (09.15.11)
Any specific suggestion(s) as to how "...to change the policy towards the Palestinians or Turkey, and then we shall no longer feel or be like “one sheep amid 70 wolves.”
24. (only) The last sentence is true.
Amihai ,   Yesha   (09.15.11)
"It is possible to change the policy towards the Palestinians or Turkey, and then we shall no longer feel or be like “one sheep amid 70 wolves" This is the only line of the whole op-ed that is exact. If Israel ever change its policies, not only we shall "no longer feel or be like one sheep amid 70 wolves", we shall never feel anything at all or, to say it plainly, won't be alive.
25. I LOVE THIS DUDE!!! He's a party animal!
Brian Cohen ,   PeoplesFrontofJudea   (09.15.11)
Wow! This prof is definitely in my books for the Nobel Prize for stupid-comments-from-an-academic. Didja catch his gem about "adopting a sober policy" ??? Really! Go back and read the article and check it out! The paragraph that starts "Under such circumstances...". Then look at all of our neighbors in the Middle East - and tell me which one has a firm commitment to "adopting a sober policy"?!?!?! Come on....gimme just one....Egypt? Syria? Jordan? Lebanon? Iraq? Libya? Turkey??? Aw c'mon....there's got to be at least one stinkin country out there we can sober up with!!! Hanan...really, help us out here! Quick! I need you to show me a model we Israelis can give our leaders. Please! Gimme one country in the region whose leaders are "taking moderate decisions, and compromising in the face of complex global developments". Hanan...ya gotta have a better thesis then this, dontcha???
26. Naveh sounds good in French !
Trumpeldor   (09.15.11)
A summary of what she really is ....
27. 19, yes, thats why the left won a huge victory at the polls
Danny   (09.15.11)
28. Massada Syndrom ... but
Greg ,   Israel - Tel Aviv   (09.15.11)
- I am afraid the writer is right - and I wish him good luck in changing our 4000 years old mentality developed against our will and because of real tangible hostility across continents and centuries. As I am wishing myself good luck in changing the writer's other very jewish mentality (as old as the first one) which is due to another syndrom ... the stockolm syndrom. I may refer Haaretz to Sartre suggestion that the Jew is only alive because of the Antisemite. Massada syndrom and Stockolm Syndrom are only the facets of the same coin ...
29. racism
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (09.15.11)
The Arabs have clearly outlined their ideology, look at Saudi Arabia or read the Hamas charter. They are honest but Hanan Naveh, mocks them for being liars who don't say what they mean. Naveh's opinion is pure anti-Arab racism.
30. To: No. 4
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (09.15.11)
Here's a news flash: no one really cares what you do or do not believe. You are entirely irrelevant. I, for one, have difficulty believing in the virgin birth, know what I mean?
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